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Test-tube embryos may be screened for risk of cancer
By Mark Henderson
New plan may let couples pick baby who is free of some danger genes
http://127.0.0.1:1027/bug.cgi CLINICS could soon be screening embryos for genes that carry a predisposition to breast cancer and other tumours.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) announced yesterday that it is to consult the public about letting couples choose embryos free from genetic defects. The defects raise the risk of cancer but do not always trigger it.

NI_MPU(‘middle’);If the response is favourable, the authority is expected to start approving applications to use the pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) technique early next year. It may even do so before the consultation is over if urgent licence requests are received.

Several British clinics are ready to offer the test to families with a history of certain cancers, and University College Hospital (UCH), London, has started asking breast cancer patients whether they would be interested in having it.

The review will intensify public debate over the ethics of PGD, used since the early 1990s to allow carriers of genetic conditions such as cystic fibrosis to avoid passing them on. The procedure, which is licensed at ten centres in Britain, involves creating embryos by in-vitro fertilisation, then growing them to the eight-cell stage. One cell is removed and tested for genetic disease, and only unaffected embryos are implanted into the womb.

The authority has previously approved it only for genetic mutations that invariably lead to a disease that is untreatable or strikes in childhood.

Last year, The Times disclosed that the authority had set a precedent by granting UCH a licence to test embryos for a gene called FAP, which triggers bowel cancer when carriers reach their late teens or early twenties. Patients can substantially reduce their risk by having much of their colon removed.

The latest proposal is to allow clinics to screen embryos for genes that are not “fully penetrant”. The consultation, which will start in the autumn, will focus chiefly on the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes, which raise the risk of a woman contracting breast cancer to between 60 and 80 per cent.

Those who have either gene also have a 40 to 60 per cent chance of developing ovarian cancer. Many women who have one of the BRCA genes, however, do not contract cancer, and those who do generally remain healthy until their thirties. Those who know that they carry either can reduce their risk by 90 per cent by having a preventive mastectomy. Critics argue that allowing embryos to be tested and discarded would pave the way for the “selection of designer babies” for purely social reasons.
 
Other cancers with a genetic component that will be considered in the review include hereditary non-polyposis colon cancer, neurofibromatosis, a cause of brain and spinal tumours, and retinoblastoma, a cancer of the eye. Such tests are available in the US, Australia, Belgium, France and the Netherlands.

Angela McNab, the authority’s chief executive, said that it wanted a better idea of public opinion before giving its approval for PGD. It was criticised for licensing FAP tests without consulting the public or Parliament.

Ms McNab said: “The question that we want to ask people is, should this technology also be used on diseases that people have a lower chance of getting and may occur later on in life?

“We know that some women with a strong family history of inherited breast cancer choose to have a double mastectomy before they have even developed symptoms to reduce their risk of developing cancer later in life.”

She added: “What we are asking people is whether it is appropriate to use embryo screening technology to stop children being born with faulty genes when there is a chance they may never go on to suffer the cancer.”

Mohammed Taranissi, of the Assisted Reproduction and Gynaecology Centre in London, said: “I would be comfortable offering this to a patient with a BRCA gene, but it is not right just to leave the decision to doctors and patients. It is correct to give wider society some (name removed by moderator)ut.”

DETECTABLE DEFECTS

**RISKY GENES **
**BRCA1 & 2 **
Cancer: Breast, ovarian, prostate. Fewer than 5 per cent of all these cancers are inherited
Prevention: Women, regular mammography or complete removal of breast tissue (prophylactic mastectomy). Research on ovarian screening continuing. Men, prostate screening unproven so not always offered

**FAMILIAL ADENOMATOUS POLYPOSIS (FAP) **
Cancer: Bowel
Prevention: Surgery to remove bowel, regular screening

**HEREDITARY NON-POLYPOSIS COLORECTAL CANCER **
Cancer: Bowel, endometrial (women), ovarian (women)
Prevention: Regular colonoscopy, bowel resection surgery and hysterectomy. Women also have about a 40 per cent risk of developing endometrial cancer and a 10 per cent chance of developing ovarian cancer **NEUROFIBROMATOSIS TYPE 1 **
Cancer: A range of tumours, mainly brain and spine, but rarely malignant. May cause problems with eyesight or limb weakness
Prevention: Self-monitoring and annual medical check-up

**RETINOBLASTOMA **
Cancer: Malignant tumour in one or both eyes in babies or young children
Prevention: None. More than 95 per cent of cases can be cured although eyesight is often affected
timesonline.co.uk/article/0,2-1731739,00.html
 
I wish they’d go ahead and develop an early test for the elusive “gay” gene, and make it mandatory to advise parents of and offer, like they do other tests.

I bet the politics would swing around in a minute.

Alan
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Test-tube embryos may be screened for risk of cancer
By Mark Henderson
Anyone ever see the movie “Gatica”! Eugenics, here we come!

Personally, they do not have the stats to determine this properly and accurately 100% of the time. Leave it alone, I say.

We can cure it in the living person. Why kill them up front?

P.S. Hi, Lisa! Thanks for the post. Looks like same platform as Hannity! 🙂
 
While I understand that no parent would knowingly want to pass on something that could potentially kill their child in the future, it is wrong, wrong, wrong! IVF is immoral in the first place, and then to get rid of “defective embryos” in addition to that?! Shakesphere said, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.” I beg to differ. Hell hath no fury like God on judgement day. (Though a woman’s fury comes a close second;) )
 
The smacks more and more of eugenics of the Nazi era Germany. Get rid of all who do not measure up to being “perfect humans”.

I believe the Church does not approve of infertilization and this is only one more reason to continue this stance.

PF
 
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Antigone:
Anyone ever see the movie “Gatica”! Eugenics, here we come!

Personally, they do not have the stats to determine this properly and accurately 100% of the time. Leave it alone, I say.

We can cure it in the living person. Why kill them up front?

P.S. Hi, Lisa! Thanks for the post. Looks like same platform as Hannity! 🙂
I am soooo happy you are here:D The platform maybe similar, but you will NOT be abused here or publically humiliated,the mods are just and they will not allow uncharitable behavior to go on:clapping: And furhtermore if you have a complaint on a poster it is private and it dealt with privately.Thanks for coming over you will love it here.God Bless,Lisa
 
“Doesn’t look good” is right.

All I can see is the practice growing.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
She added: “What we are asking people is whether it is appropriate to use embryo screening technology to stop children being born with faulty genes when there is a chance they may never go on to suffer the cancer.”
The way things are going I predict that one day (unless we get socialized med 1st) that insurers will require this testing.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
I wish they’d go ahead and develop an early test for the elusive “gay” gene
GREAT NEWS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS
I’ve found that gay gene!!! if the chromosome is XX, that one certainly isn’t a gay. if the chromosome is XY, that one isn’t a lesbian.
 
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abcdefg:
GREAT NEWS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS
I’ve found that gay gene!!! if the chromosome is XX, that one certainly isn’t a gay. if the chromosome is XY, that one isn’t a lesbian.
And if scientists find another gene that twists the XX and the XY around so that men love men romantically and women love women romantically, good Catholics can abort freely. Have to prevent mortal sin! 👍
 
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Jennifer123:
The way things are going I predict that one day (unless we get socialized med 1st) that insurers will require this testing.
Jennifer123:

And then they’ll require the Abortion of the “At Risk Baby” or state that they will refuse to pay for any of the medical expenses of the “At Risk Baby” if the parents don’t kill the baby (so much for “choice”)!

If we have socialized medicine in the future, The government will be the ones requiring the Abortion, and then the Abortion WILL BE REQUIRED! Anybody wanting to see how government responds to high medical costs should look at Holland and the Liberal Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide Laws and the Grundigen University Hospital Protocols.

It’s NOT a pretty picture!

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones, Michael
 
She added: “What we are asking people is whether it is appropriate to use embryo screening technology to stop children being born with faulty genes when there is a chance they may never go on to suffer the cancer.”
A more accurate way of putting this would be “to stop children with faulty genes from being born”.
 
Traditional Ang:
Jennifer123:

And then they’ll require the Abortion of the “At Risk Baby” or state that they will refuse to pay for any of the medical expenses of the “At Risk Baby” if the parents don’t kill the baby (so much for “choice”)!

If we have socialized medicine in the future, The government will be the ones requiring the Abortion, and then the Abortion WILL BE REQUIRED! Anybody wanting to see how government responds to high medical costs should look at Holland and the Liberal Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide Laws and the Grundigen University Hospital Protocols.

It’s NOT a pretty picture!

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones, Michael
Absolutely - that’s where I was going!! 😃
 
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MikeinSD:
And if scientists find another gene that twists the XX and the XY around so that men love men romantically and women love women romantically, good Catholics can abort freely. Have to prevent mortal sin! 👍
Nice attempt at sarcasm, but it really falls flat. :mad: Meanwhile, why don’t you at least try to see what the Church teaches about homosexuality rather than what you want to believe the Church teaches about homosexuality.
Then again, maybe not. Another thread should be started for this specific scenario. Thanks.
 
Scarey. When my DD was expecting her children the Dr suggested amnio to screen for problems. She refused the test since there were no treatments for the conditions screened for. The only “use” for this testing was to allow the baby to be murdered if something was wrong.

I wonder how many women get the tests and then end a life based on the results?

IMHO Only if there is a medical treatment for the condition tested for should the test be done. The test itself can cause harm to the baby and mother.
 
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