This is embarassing for all Christians

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I wonder what would have happened 2000 years ago if when Jesus rolled the stone back He saw Andrew kicking the bejeepers out of Bartholomew…🤷
 
I had a daydream once…it was the end of time, and in front of the Pearly Gates were the leaders of all the world’s Christian churches: the Pope, the Ecumenical Patriarch, the Armenian Catholicos, the Abp of Canterbury, the Moderator of the United Church…all with their particular Bible translations, concordances, catechisms, confessions, etc…arguing and shouting about who was “right” and who really understood God’s Word, whose Bible was “better”, what were the requirements for salvation…

Suddenly, the Lord appeared among them. All the church leaders clamoured to Him, “Lord! Lord! Tell us who is right! What is it You truly want of us?”

The Lord raised two fingers and counted off: “One: Love Me. Two: Love each other. Which one didn’t you understand?”
 
Ghoti said:
…All the church leaders clamoured to Him, “Lord! Lord! Tell us who is right! What is it You truly want of us?”

The Lord raised two fingers and counted off: “One: Love Me. Two: Love each other. Which one didn’t you understand?”
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Perfect!!👍
 
I saw a similar item on CNN. Just another episode in the ongoing series.

I seem to recall hearing of a similar scuffle (over what, I don not recall) a while back where I think it was Franciscans vs Greek Orthodox. And wasn’t there something too at the beginning of the year (maybe last year?) with the Copts, having to do with the Julian Calendar? And of course let’s not forget the perennial conflict between the Greek Orthodox and the Ethiopians.

Embarrassing? Yeah, it’s embarrassing. Surprising? No, not really. Soluble? I doubt it.

:banghead:
 
Beneath robes and collars and all manner of religious trappings, lurk people. Buddhist monks intone the chant for Great Understand and Perfect Peace and then go at each other like a couple of rabid lemurs. One of the nastiest street fights I ever witnessed was between a couple of ultra orthodox Jews. You haven’t seen a fight until you’ve seen elderly rabbis rolling around on the sidewalk.

Paul
 
Maybe we should turn Holy Sepulchre over to the Amish.

More peaceful control, and stuff would get fixed.
 
A similar story was run either this year or last year Palm Sunday. It involved the Armenians and I think the Russian Orthodox. It involved palm fronds being weilded as weapons. I think the same pictures were used. I may have a source to prove this should anybody want.
 
Years ago at this same site, a ladder was inexplicably placed on a ledge. No one wanted it there, but no one could agree on who had the authority to remove it, so it simply sat there for over one hundred years. A brawl like this seems perfectly in character, sadly.
 
While I’m distressed at the story, I’d like to hear the part of it that the secular media is NOT telling.

As I know all too well from my own experience, if there’s something that that involves ANYBODY’S Church, especially the pre-reformation Eastern Churches, the secular media will mess it up.
 
Suddenly it dawns on me why it’s a good idea to let the Muslims keep the key.We’re just a load of hypocrites aren’t we? LOL
 
What struck me the most when I went to the Holy Land in 1995 was the concept of ownership of the churches at the major sites.

I’m used to here, in the USA, and especially here in Brooklyn which is known as the “County of Churches” because there are SO MANY churches in Brooklyn - the Catholic Church is two blocks away and the Lutheran Church is down the block and the Presbyterian Church is six blocks up and one avenue over, the Episcopalian Church is around the corner from the Catholic Church, and the Methodists are somewhere nearby. (There are two Catholic Churches within walking distance of my apartment, and two more which are only a little further away.)

In Israel, when you go to one of the major shrines (Church of the Holy Sepulcher, Church of the Nativity, etc.), as our guide explained, “this section belongs to the Catholics, and that section belongs to the Greek Orthodox, that part over there is the Armenian’s, and we just passed the part that belongs to the Copts,” etc.

I found it so strange that different portions within the same structure belong to different Churches. I guess with that kind of mentality, it’s very easy to be offended because someone intruded on “your” space.
 
I just saw it on the news. The anchors were laughing. They said the Greeks started interupting the Armenians Liturgy. I guess this will throw a wrench in the ecumenical process.
 
GemmaRose said:
What struck me the most when I went to the Holy Land in 1995 was the concept of ownership of the churches at the major sites.

I’m used to here, in the USA, and especially here in Brooklyn which is known as the “County of Churches” because there are SO MANY churches in Brooklyn - the Catholic Church is two blocks away and the Lutheran Church is down the block and the Presbyterian Church is six blocks up and one avenue over, the Episcopalian Church is around the corner from the Catholic Church, and the Methodists are somewhere nearby. (There are two Catholic Churches within walking distance of my apartment, and two more which are only a little further away.)

In Israel, when you go to one of the major shrines (Church of the Holy Sepulcher, Church of the Nativity, etc.), as our guide explained, “this section belongs to the Catholics, and that section belongs to the Greek Orthodox, that part over there is the Armenian’s, and we just passed the part that belongs to the Copts,” etc.

I found it so strange that different portions within the same structure belong to different Churches. I guess with that kind of mentality, it’s very easy to be offended because someone intruded on “your” space.
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Ahhhhhhhhhh I miss living in Brooklyn! There really are SO many beautiful Churches!!! A bit off topic, what part of Brooklyn do ya live in? 🙂
 
Nicholas82 said:
Ahhhhhhhhhh I miss living in Brooklyn! There really are SO many beautiful Churches!!! A bit off topic, what part of Brooklyn do ya live in? 🙂
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Is that proper grammar?

Shouldn’t it be, what part of Brooklyn do *youse *live in?
 
Getting back o topic…

yeah well this just proves that we need re-union and we need it fast. The Eastern Rites did it, why can’t the rest of Eastern Orthodoxy follow so easily?

Prayers for unity should be our first and foremost intentions
 
This seems to happen *at least *once per year. It’s tradition :slapfight: .
 
I rather like the latter thing. Who knew the Orthodox are Union? Support your local teamsters.
 
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