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This thread is mostly for non-Catholics who think that ONLY SCRIPTURE is the ONLY source! Says who?

Let me ask you this and it would be nice if you answered it:

WHERE in Scripture does it say that ONLY SCRIPTURE is ALL you need???

If you’re Catholic, please feel free to answer too! 😛
 
I have a Baptist co-worker who says there are multiple passages when tied together tend to prove the “Scriptures only” theory. See some of them below:

Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar. (Pr 30:5,6)
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18,19)
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. (Deut 4:2)

There you go, let the discussion begin. 😃

Mike
 
Paris Blues:
This thread is mostly for non-Catholics who think that ONLY SCRIPTURE is the ONLY source! Says who?

Let me ask you this and it would be nice if you answered it:

WHERE in Scripture does it say that ONLY SCRIPTURE is ALL you need???

If you’re Catholic, please feel free to answer too! 😛
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I really do not know how to answer this because it is another example of reading what they want and then ignoring what they want. There are anthropomorphisms that they take literally and then clear-cut and well-defined matters that they claim are misrepresented and misinterpreted. I suppose it is the equivalent of banging the head aginst the wall to explain that the canon of scriptures came at the Council of Hippo in 393 AD and that nowhere does Jesus ask for the Aspotles to document what they witness for future generations. I mean, prior to Pentecost, it was not as if the Apostles were in the upstairs room editing mansucripts and designing a table of contents.
 
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mikew262:
I have a Baptist co-worker who says there are multiple passages when tied together tend to prove the “Scriptures only” theory. See some of them below:

Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar. (Pr 30:5,6)
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18,19)
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. (Deut 4:2)

There you go, let the discussion begin. 😃

Mike
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I suspect Psalsm has to do with the 10 Commandments and that God keeps his Word for those who profess faith in him. I do not see the literal profesison of Sola Scriptura.

For Revelation, John is only stating not to take away from the Book of Revelation.

Deuteronomy, the author is talking of the 10 Commandments.

To me, none of these hold any more water of legitimacy than a sieve.
 
The Word of God, The bible contains the mind of God,the state of man,the way of salvation,the doom of sinners,and the happiness of believers.Its doctrines are Holy,its precepts are binding,its histories are true,and its decisions areimmutable. Read it to be wise,believe it to be safe,and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you,food to support you,and comfort to cheer you.Its the travelers map,the pilgrims staff,the pilots compass,the soldiers sword ,and the christians charter. Here paradise is restored,heaven opened,and hell disclosed. The Lord Jesus Christ is its Grand Object,our good its dsign,and the Glory of God its end. Read it slowly,frequently,and prayerfully. Let it fill the memory,rule the heart,and guide the feet. It is a mine of wealth,a paradise of glory,and a river of pleasure. It is given you in life,will be opened in the judgement,and remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility,will reward the highest labor,and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred context.(AUTHOR UNKNOWN). Maybe this helps. 👍 God Bless
 
How about 2 Timothy3;16 All Scripture is God breathed,and is useful for teaching,rebuking,correcting,and trainning in rightiousness,so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Thats good enough for me!!!👍 God Bless
 
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How about 2 Timothy3;16 All Scripture is God breathed,and is useful for teaching,rebuking,correcting,and trainning in rightiousness,so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Thats good enough for me!!
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The key word there is* useful*. That would make the Bible a tool - not the ONLY tool, but A tool.
 
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catsrus:
The key word there is* useful*. That would make the Bible a tool - not the ONLY tool, but A tool.
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Yes ,and it also tells us that it is enough for us to be thoroughly equipped. 😉 God Bless
 
Yes, but being equipped does not necessarily keep you from incorrectly using the equipment. Adam and Eve were fully equipped, no? What happen to them? Arians were fully equipped, but they used the equipment to assert error. Even Satan quotes from the Bible to tempt Jesus. Thus, the Bible alone is certainly Divine equipment, but is no guarantee that such equipment will be used properly.

BTW, that Scripture that Paul was speaking about in that passage, was the Scripture Timothy knew since he was a child (aka the Old Testament). Good equipment, but not quite the entire Bible, was it? Unless you are advocating for the “Old Testament alone” then I think your interpretation of that passage is flawed.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Yes, but being equipped does not necessarily keep you from incorrectly using the equipment. Adam and Eve were fully equipped, no? What happen to them? Arians were fully equipped, but they used the equipment to assert error. Even Satan quotes from the Bible to tempt Jesus. Thus, the Bible alone is certainly Divine equipment, but is no guarantee that such equipment will be used properly.

BTW, that Scripture that Paul was speaking about, what the Scripture Timothy knew since he was a child. Good equipment, but not quite the entire Bible, was it? Unless you are advocating for the “Old Testament alone” then I think your interpretation of that passage is flawed.
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Yet,when Christ was tempted by Satan He used the Written Word. I do believe that God has given us the necessary tools on how to live the life of a Christian. All we have to do is put it into practice. Christ said if you love me you will obey me. He also said come and follow me. 👍 God Bless
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Yet,when Christ was tempted by Satan He used the Written Word. I do believe that God has given us the necessary tools on how to live the life of a Christian. All we have to do is put it into practice. Christ said if you love me you will obey me. He also said come and follow me. 👍 God Bless
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I agree. Yet, in Matt 18:17, when a brother sin against another, the final arbiter is the Church. And make no mistake, heresy is a sin against our fellow brethren. Thus, it doesn’t say “and if he refused to listen to them, let the Bible be your final authority” as Protestantism would like us to believe. Instead it says,

Matt 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the CHURCH; and if he refuses to listen even to the CHURCH, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."

What does this last part mean about treating them as Gentiles and tax collectors*? *It means exactly what Paul teaches to Titus…

Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject”

The Church is the final arbiter even for such sins as heresy, since as the Bible states, the CHURCH is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15). God’s word has power and does what is declares. Since it declared the Church as the “pillar and foundation of truth” then the Church cannot be otherwise.

Seems the Bible tells us the final arbiter is the CHURCH not any and every personal interpretation of the Bible. This makes perfect sense since the BIBLE can be quoted by devils to mean whatever they want it to mean, but the CHURCH is guided by God to be what he Himself declared it to be, the final arbiter for sins such as heresy, the ultimate “pillar and foundation of truth.” 😉
 
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itsjustdave1988:
I agree. Yet, in Matt 18:17, when a brother sin against another, the final arbiter is the Church. And make no mistake, heresy is a sin against our fellow brethren. Thus, it doesn’t say “and if he refused to listen to them, let the Bible be your final authority” as Protestantism would like us to believe. Instead it says,

Matt 18:17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the CHURCH; and if he refuses to listen even to the CHURCH, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”

What does this last part mean about treating them as Gentiles and tax collectors*? *It means exactly what Paul teaches to Titus…

Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject”

The Church is the final arbiter even for such sins as heresy, since as the Bible states, the CHURCH is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15). God’s word has power and does what is declares. Since it declared the Church as the “pillar and foundation of truth” then the Church cannot be otherwise.

Seems the Bible tells us the final arbiter is the CHURCH not any and every personal interpretation of the Bible. This makes perfect sense since the BIBLE can be quoted by devils to mean whatever they want it to mean, but the CHURCH is guided by God to be what he Himself declared it to be, the final arbiter for sins such as heresy, the ultimate “pillar and foundation of truth.” 😉
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Who was this Church?The Church was made up of christians(body of believers) . Disputes that came amoungst the brethern that could not be settled amongst each other were to be taken before spiritual mature christians in the body of Christ.The Final authority comes from the Word of God. God Bless
 
Paris Blues:
This thread is mostly for non-Catholics who think that ONLY SCRIPTURE is the ONLY source! Says who?

Let me ask you this and it would be nice if you answered it:

WHERE in Scripture does it say that ONLY SCRIPTURE is ALL you need???

If you’re Catholic, please feel free to answer too! 😛
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How disappointing …here I thought I could post on this thread…as it is titled…THIS IS FOR NON-CATHOLICS…but FYI not all NON-CATHOLICS use scripture/Bible…so not all Non-Catholics can answer this…not fair:(
 
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SPOKENWORD:
How about 2 Timothy3;16 All Scripture is God breathed,and is useful for teaching,rebuking,correcting,and trainning in rightiousness,so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Thats good enough for me!!!👍 God Bless
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But 2 Tim 3:16 does NOT say:

ONLY Scripture is God-breathed and is OUR ONLY AUTHORITY for EVERYTHING.

Where this verse says “all” you see “only”.

Where it says “useful” you see “our only authority”.

Where it says “good work” you see “all matters pertaining to Christian faith and morals”.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
Paris Blues:
This thread is mostly for non-Catholics who think that ONLY SCRIPTURE is the ONLY source! Says who?

Let me ask you this and it would be nice if you answered it:

WHERE in Scripture does it say that ONLY SCRIPTURE is ALL you need???

If you’re Catholic, please feel free to answer too! 😛
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Paris, Paris, Paris. There you go. Protestant baiting again. Well, at least you’re doing it over here where they walk in on their own recognizance. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shouldn’t you be meditating on tomorrow’s Gospel lesson or studying your Catechism?
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
But 2 Tim 3:16 does NOT say:

ONLY Scripture is God-breathed and is OUR ONLY AUTHORITY for EVERYTHING.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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True, But He also says Scripture is enough for us to be fully equipped to live as Christians. 😉 God Bless P/S and if scripture is not enough His Grace is surely suffucient for us. 👍
 
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SPOKENWORD:
True, But He also says Scripture is enough for us to be fully equipped to live as Christians. 😉 God Bless P/S and if scripture is not enough His Grace is surely suffucient for us. 👍
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True enough, but you weren’t offering 1 Tim as proof that scripture is enough for us to be fully equipped to live as Christians, you were offering it to address the OP.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
If only it were as you say, Spoken word, but sadly it just is not true. Jesus prayed for unity within ‘the Church,’ His Church, but sola scriptura has ha dthe exact opposite impact on the Christian experience. Since the time of teh great “Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide” movement of the protesting reformers who became schismatic the faithful have been led down a multiplicity of doctrines and counter doctrines!

Consider these differences, the reformers Luther, Calvin and Swingli (sp) held the ‘perpetual virginity of the mother of Jesus’ but most of protestant Christianity has abandoned this belief. They have also abandoned the ‘Eucharist’, and the sacramental life of the Church. Not all of the reformers accepted scripture as we have it today, as Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of Revelation, which you used to support the idea novel idea of Sola Scriptura. This, along with the 1st Letter of St. Paul to Timothy. Lucky for Luther that he gave in to the more reasoned voices of the day, sad for the unity of the Christian Church.

This ‘take’ (interpretation) also negates and ignores the role and place of scripure in the life and history of the Church. When did the Bible as we know it become compiled and declared to be the “inspired word of God?” Suffice it to be not duing the infancy of the Church as S. Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians is considered one of the earliest some 35-40 years after the Ressurrection. Scripture is a gift from the now referred to as the “Catholic Church” to Christians, whether they be Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant. The Bible did not fall from the sky complete as it is.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Who was this Church?The Church was made up of christians(body of believers) . Disputes that came amoungst the brethern that could not be settled amongst each other were to be taken before spiritual mature christians in the body of Christ.
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Yes, the Church called these spiritually mature christians, bishops. They were the superiors in the Church and God’s word according to Heb 13:17 demanded obedience to these bishops. To do otherwise is the sin of Korah’s rebellion (Num 16) warned against by St. Jude (Jude 11).
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
But 2 Tim 3:16 does NOT say:

ONLY Scripture is God-breathed and is OUR ONLY AUTHORITY for EVERYTHING.

Where this verse says “all” you see “only”.

Where it says “useful” you see “our only authority”.

Where it says “good work” you see “all matters pertaining to Christian faith and morals”.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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I don’t know if this is off-target for this thread, but does anybody see any irony when people who espouse sola *Scriptura, *which is nearly always paired with the doctrine of justification by faith *alone (*thus rejecting the idea that works play any role in our salvation), cite this scripture which tells us that we will be "equipped for every good work?"
 
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