This is how I imagine the OF

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Kind of nice when that are all on the same note, start and stop together, and no one is singing over the others causing them to blend. Still not my cup of tea, but a nice change.
 
GangGreen said:
blip.tv/st-joseph-catholic-church-maconga/20130111-ad-orientem-of-mass-chant-intensive-6505979

This was from this past January at a church in Georgia. Apparently it was after a chant workshop. There’s plenty of chant used in this Mass, quite a bit of Latin and the Liturgy of the Eucharist is done ad orientem.
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The priest of St. Joseph’s has a blog called Southern Orders, I read it daily, its a good blog.

This is also how I wish the OF was celebrated in more places (to moderator, this isnt a OF v EF, at least on my part 🙂 )

I think beautiful liturgy in the OF is, or needs to be, a major part of the new evangelization, since it is the Mass that the vast majority of Latin Catholics go too. There was also another very good example of a revent OF at the cathedral in Salt Lake City for another workshop over the summer.
 
That is St. Joseph’s Church in Macon, Georgia. It doesn’t get more southern than Macon and St. Joseph’s is awsome. They did a multi-million dollar rennovation a few years back and the 100+ year old Church is spectacular.

To think that such a spectacular Church was built in the heart of the south, Macon Georgia, over 100 years ago is amazing. Catholicism in the south was a whisper back then, and this Church is a towering monument of its time.

We had a similar Mass at St. Catherine of Siena in Kennesaw, GA just last month. It was the first Mass for a newly ordained priest, Fr. Guarav Sharoff. Fr. Sharof did not do it ad orientem but the Mass was almost identical and he now celebrates in Elijay, GA, about an hour north of Atlanta.

The South is rising as the new heart of reverent and orthodox Catholicism in America. Yall come down.

-Tim
 
This is well-done, though I am probably not the best judge of chant since I’m neither particularly experienced in it or a huge fan of it. I could take or leave the chanted readings though - they just aren’t very lyrical in general and putting them into chant doesn’t make them more so.
 
There are few things in life as moving to me as the times I have been lucky enough to have joined a small community of monks as they gather around an altar in a simple Church.

But sometimes Masses like in the video simply take my breath away.

-Tim-
 
It really is awesomely done.

The mixture of Latin and English (and Greek ;)) is done to a level where the people can participate, but not have to know an abundance of prayers/Latin. If a few extra prayers were in English rather than Latin, I would be indifferent to the difference, but I do like the amount they had.

From the sound of it, they also were using the Latin Propers rather than regular hymns. It gives a nice touch.

I do love when the Gospel is chanted, although I’d probably prefer to have the reading(s) read rather than chanted. I’m a big fan of priests chanting large portions of the Mass. Also, I love how the Mystery of Faith and the Eucharistic Doxology were chanted without music accompaniment.

and of course, lots of incense were used 👍

Any Mass can technically be done like this. One does not need a schola/choir to do chant. It may not sound as majestic, but one person can still do it.
 
I’m on a work computer so I’m unable to pull up the vid, however, I’ve Googled the parish and have to say their Church is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!
 
GangGreen said:
It really is awesomely done.

The mixture of Latin and English (and Greek ;)) is done to a level where the people can participate, but not have to know an abundance of prayers/Latin. If a few extra prayers were in English rather than Latin, I would be indifferent to the difference, but I do like the amount they had.

From the sound of it, they also were using the Latin Propers rather than regular hymns. It gives a nice touch.

I do love when the Gospel is chanted, although I’d probably prefer to have the reading(s) read rather than chanted. I’m a big fan of priests chanting large portions of the Mass. Also, I love how the Mystery of Faith and the Eucharistic Doxology were chanted without music accompaniment.

and of course, lots of incense were used 👍

Any Mass can technically be done like this. One does not need a schola/choir to do chant. It may not sound as majestic, but one person can still do it.
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We had a guest priest doing a mission at our parish once who chanted the Gospel, from heart, at the Mass he said. It was awesome. He was a Franciscan.
 
Yes, I read the pastor’s blog daily. It is always open on a tab.

PS: the unaccompained Mysterium Fidei and major doxology are sublime. There is nothing better musically than unaccompanied chant! I understand that in extremely large churches with a congregation that has high turnover–like St. Peter’s–it is helpful to have the organ accompaniment to nearly everything to get people on the same page, but accompanied sung responses in regular churches drive me insane! But not as insane as singing everything in the Mass except the dialogues…
 
YoungTradCath said:
Yes, I read the pastor’s blog daily. It is always open on a tab.

PS: the unaccompained Mysterium Fidei and major doxology are sublime. There is nothing better musically than unaccompanied chant! I understand that in extremely large churches with a congregation that has high turnover–like St. Peter’s–it is helpful to have the organ accompaniment to nearly everything to get people on the same page, but accompanied sung responses in regular churches drive me insane! But not as insane as singing everything in the Mass except the dialogues…
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At the abbey I’m associated with, the entire Mass is chanted a cappella. All Latin Propers and Ordinary (with the Greek of course!) and French plainchant for the rest. The only non-chanted parts are the homily, and on weekdays only, the universal prayer (it is chanted on Sundays).

At the Divine Office the organ is lightly used to support the psalmody for Lauds and Vespers (which are also in Latin, Gregorian chant), but during Advent and Lent they make do without the organ.
 
I’ve attended a similar OF Mass, but it was entirely in Latin (apart from the Readings and the Homily in the Vernacular). It started with the ‘Asperges’, and the Gregorian Chant for the Propers was used. Also, the Roman Canon was used, the Sign of Peace (for the people) was omitted, and Communion was received kneeling at the Altar rail!
 
OraLabora said:
At the abbey I’m associated with, the entire Mass is chanted a cappella. All Latin Propers and Ordinary (with the Greek of course!) and French plainchant for the rest. The only non-chanted parts are the homily, and on weekdays only, the universal prayer (it is chanted on Sundays).

At the Divine Office the organ is lightly used to support the psalmody for Lauds and Vespers (which are also in Latin, Gregorian chant), but during Advent and Lent they make do without the organ.
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Yes, I know.
 
GangGreen said:
blip.tv/st-joseph-catholic-church-maconga/20130111-ad-orientem-of-mass-chant-intensive-6505979

This was from this past January at a church in Georgia. Apparently it was after a chant workshop. There’s plenty of chant used in this Mass, quite a bit of Latin and the Liturgy of the Eucharist is done ad orientem.
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Beautiful Church:thumbsup: thanks for posting.
I wish/dream that we could all have s Church like this one. For some reason I was only able to listen to a couple of minutes & it stopped…:o But, what little I heard, was amazing :highprayer:
 
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If you’re ever in Toronto, go to Holy Family Church at 1372 King Street West, 5 blocks west of Dufferin. It’s a parish of the Oratorians of St Philip Neri, and the OF they do there is all chant and polyphony – breathtaking. It’s the main thing I regret leaving behind in Toronto.

The Oratorians also have St Vincent de Paul Parish on Roncesvalles Ave just up around the corner a ways, where they do the EF. Also on Roncesvalles is St Casimir’s where they do the OF in Polish and English. The neighbourhood is practically a spiritual food court. 😃

edit: According to the Oratorians website, all the Latin masses are Usus Antiquior, or the 1962 Missal; the others are “sung English” which I assume is the OF (Missal of Paul VI?). So I don’t know if the masses are the same as what I heard three or more years ago, which I believe was the mass of Paul VI in sung Latin. I think? :confused:

Caveat: I grew up with the OF in English, and only discovered the OF (and EF) in Latin in Toronto around 2005 or so. I am still unsure of the different missals etc. I just know that the ones I went to at Holy Family were: 1. OF; 2. chanted with a good dose of polyphony thrown in (like during the Kyrie); and 3. mostly Latin (except for, obv, things like the sermon, Gospel, and Kyrie). I assume that was the Missal of Paul VI, since it appears the 1962 missal is the older Tridentine form. Someone correct me before I spin my head any further. :whacky:
 
Beautiful liturgy. Looks and sounds so much like what is described here in Vatican II’s Sacrosanctum Concilium
    1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.
  2. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.
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  3. In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and “the common prayer,” but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to the norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution.
Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.
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116. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.

But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations, so long as they accord with the spirit of the liturgical action, as laid down in Art. 30.

I have also experienced a very beautiful and reverent Anglican Use mass that is similar, so I agree with the earlier poster’s comments on that. They have a particularly beautiful use of the English language as well. My only caveat would be Vatican II’s comments on the retention of Latin in the liturgy; though I have also seen one done with the Gloria and *Agnus Dei *in Latin, which was very nice and helped it to feel more “at home” so to speak for me as a Latin Rite Catholic (as all Roman Catholics technically are whether they realize it or not!).
 
John_Lazarus said:
If you’re ever in Toronto, go to Holy Family Church at 1372 King Street West, 5 blocks west of Dufferin. It’s a parish of the Oratorians of St Philip Neri, and the OF they do there is all chant and polyphony – breathtaking. It’s the main thing I regret leaving behind in Toronto.

The Oratorians also have St Vincent de Paul Parish on Roncesvalles Ave just up around the corner a ways, where they do the EF. Also on Roncesvalles is St Casimir’s where they do the OF in Polish and English. The neighbourhood is practically a spiritual food court. 😃

edit: According to the Oratorians website, all the Latin masses are Usus Antiquior, or the 1962 Missal; the others are “sung English” which I assume is the OF (Missal of Paul VI?). So I don’t know if the masses are the same as what I heard three or more years ago, which I believe was the mass of Paul VI in sung Latin. I think? :confused:

Caveat: I grew up with the OF in English, and only discovered the OF (and EF) in Latin in Toronto around 2005 or so. I am still unsure of the different missals etc. I just know that the ones I went to at Holy Family were: 1. OF; 2. chanted with a good dose of polyphony thrown in (like during the Kyrie); and 3. mostly Latin (except for, obv, things like the sermon, Gospel, and Kyrie). I assume that was the Missal of Paul VI, since it appears the 1962 missal is the older Tridentine form. Someone correct me before I spin my head any further. :whacky:
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The Oratorians here in the UK also celebrate the EF. Their Oratory in London also celebrates the OF with Gregoriant Chant, Ad Orientem and Roman Canon!
 
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