This is how we treat what remains. How do Protestants do this?

[Syele]

How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?

My church uses unleavened type crackers for bread and grape Juice for instead of wine. what is not used in one service will be used in the following one. If it’s not used in either Sunday service it will be stored for the following sunday service. I have never heard of anyone using it for turkey stuffing (Who uses crackers for turkey stuffing anyhow??)

Personally I much prefered the Episcipal church I attended that used bread and wine. But even they would not break the loaves of bread until they knew how much was needed so as not to have partial loaves leftover and any “leftover” was used the following service, same as my current church. The bread was usually frozen so it could not become stale.

 

[Syele]

How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?

My church uses unleavened type crackers for bread and grape Juice for instead of wine. what is not used in one service will be used in the following one. If it’s not used in either Sunday service it will be stored for the following sunday service. I have never heard of anyone using it for turkey stuffing (Who uses crackers for turkey stuffing anyhow??)

Personally I much prefered the Episcopal church I attended that used bread and wine. But even they would not break the loaves of bread until they knew how much was needed so as not to have partial loaves leftover and any “leftover” was used the following service, same as my current church. The bread was usually frozen so it could not become stale.

I think the Pastor who mentioned the snickers and coke should have been removed from his position for that. I once got annoyed at a church I attend because they used goldfish crackers. They cited that the usual wafers are crackers and the fish shape is a christian symbol. I still found it annoying.

 

[Le_Cracquere]

This is true but only for some Protestants. There are some denominations that do believe that they have the real body & blood of our Lord.

Point well taken. I can only speak for the Protestant churches I’ve belonged to, but forgot that (as with most things Protestant) you can’t generalize.

And you’re right, if they really don’t have the real presence, why should they treat what is just a cracker or piece of bread with any kind of reverance. But I don’t know, I still think they should anyway, but that’s just me.

Yeah, I think they should too; hope I didn’t give any impression to the contrary. A symbol is by definition not the real thing, but that doesn’t make it trivial.

 

[Le_Cracquere]

The final straw with my leaving the Assembly of God and finally embracing the Catholic Church was when my former Pastor held up the elements and said, “We could be doing this with a snickers bar and a coke and it would be the same thing.”

Now I haven’t heard that one, but wouldn’t have been surprised to have heard it at my boyhood church. Such a statement is bound to push all a Catholic’s buttons, and I don’t blame them, but let me say this much:

I think that there are certain Protestants – Evangelicals, mostly – who converted from some of the stodgier mainline denominations and carried with them a lot of (perfectly justified) resentment towards the joyless, po-faced sort of churches in which they were reared, places whose seats seemed filled more by habit than from love of God (so they’re given to say). I think that for a lot of them, “reverence” is hard to untangle from “puritanical posturing.” This tends to lead to anti-reverential postures such as the quote above. I’m not defending that attitude, just attempting to tag and release it for the purposes of classification and understanding.

 

[AlegreFe]

There has been no “Protestant bashing” at all here.
We haven’t been discussing how the Protestant clergy conduct their communion services, but rather how they clean up afterwards.

As the last question in the OP asks "How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?"

The OP then says in her 2nd post how some Catholic priests dont always follow ritual exactly as desired. So in fact she isnt “bashing” Protestants, she is “bashing” anyone who doesnt handle the remains of the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ with utmost reverence.

REMAINS being the word to focus on, not how the service is conducted.

Thanks so much Kellie. I was getting ready to reply to his post but then I saw your reply to him. I couldn’t have said it better myself. God bless you.

 

[AlegreFe]

Greetings, AlegreFe,

I almost never comment on a thread that asks questions about what Protestants believe/do, since, as an Anglo-Catholic I’m not one (yes, I know you believe otherwise), but I’ll make an exposition here, just to spread the word. Anglo-Catholics, as well as most Anglicans generally, do precisely as you have described in your OP, and for precisely the same reason: the Real Presence. Same reason we reverence the altar where the Tabernacle is located, every time we approach it. The Body is reserved there for use, as you suggest (the word is “pyx”), or for adoration/contemplation before it.The *sacrarium/piscina *drains directly to consecrated earth, as does one in a RC church. Any remaining Precious Blood is consumed by the priest, or a con-celebrating priest, or other clergy/acolytes, as needed. In addition, no one not in Holy Orders, may touch, handle or distibute the consecrated elements in any fashion (that is, no lay Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers).

Yes, I know what you believe about Anglican orders, and the validity of our Euchrist; Apostolicae Curae, and all.

GKC

Greetings GKC. (is that for Chesterton?)

Wow, this is good to hear! What’s also good is that there are no extraordinary ministers. I’m not against any of them personally but I just prefer to receive Jesus from the Priest. That is why I always sit toward the front (1st 3 or 4 pews) on the left side. The Priest (in most parishes) usually stands on his right to minister Jesus to us.

Oh btw, about the pix or pyx, I’ve seen it spelled both ways so I just happened to pick “pix.”

And you’re right, the sacrarium drains into the ground which is also consecrated. I guess I should’ve been specific there. That is good to know. It reminds me of how grape juice was poured out in an “ordinary kitchen sink along with day-old coffee and skunge from dirty dishes, etc” that jmcrae posted.

 

[AlegreFe]

My church uses unleavened type crackers for bread and grape Juice for instead of wine. what is not used in one service will be used in the following one. If it’s not used in either Sunday service it will be stored for the following sunday service. I have never heard of anyone using it for turkey stuffing (Who uses crackers for turkey stuffing anyhow??)

Personally I much prefered the Episcopal church I attended that used bread and wine. But even they would not break the loaves of bread until they knew how much was needed so as not to have partial loaves leftover and any “leftover” was used the following service, same as my current church. The bread was usually frozen so it could not become stale.

I think the Pastor who mentioned the snickers and coke should have been removed from his position for that. I once got annoyed at a church I attend because they used goldfish crackers. They cited that the usual wafers are crackers and the fish shape is a christian symbol. I still found it annoying.

This is good to know. I’m just curious how long that bread would last though. I guess it would be the same as the Host in the Catholic Church. I don’t know how long they last. I mean the “accidents” and not Jesus of course. I guess that’s just something more to search.

I agree with you about that “snickers pastor.” But I wonder if he is the “head hancho” of his congregation though. No one would be able to take him out. Hey, don’t the people in the congregation vote for who they want their pastor to be? I guess that would be another thread and I’m not generalizing here, I’m just asking.

 

[GKC]

Greetings, AlegreFe,

Yep, that’s me. Been a Chesterton collector and student for about 40 years

I’ve only seen “pyx”, but then I haven’t seen everything (old as I am).

Be aware that, for many Anglicans, Trent, Sesssion XIII, canon 1, is perfectly correct. And thus we do Benediction and Adoration of the Sacrament, from time to time. And everything else you would expect, given that it is the Body and Blood.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

Greetings GKC. (is that for Chesterton?)

Wow, this is good to hear! What’s also good is that there are no extraordinary ministers. I’m not against any of them personally but I just prefer to receive Jesus from the Priest. That is why I always sit toward the front (1st 3 or 4 pews) on the left side. The Priest (in most parishes) usually stands on his right to minister Jesus to us.

Oh btw, about the pix or pyx, I’ve seen it spelled both ways so I just happened to pick “pix.”

And you’re right, the sacrarium drains into the ground which is also consecrated. I guess I should’ve been specific there. That is good to know. It reminds me of how grape juice was poured out in an “ordinary kitchen sink along with day-old coffee and skunge from dirty dishes, etc” that jmcrae posted.

 

[puzzleannie]

There has been no “Protestant bashing” at all here.
We haven’t been discussing how the Protestant clergy conduct their communion services, but rather how they clean up afterwards.
.

REMAINS being the word to focus on, not how the service is conducted.

OP did begin with a global generalization about “Protestant” practice.
“how they clean up afterwards” is part of the ritual, not separate, read the GIRM

the point of OP was using this comparison to make an observation about what it the actions say about the underlying belief of those who act. in so doing, OP should have been accurate in stating what the “Protestants” referred to actually do and believe, not a generalizaton.

 

[JoyfulOne]

Technically, I am still an Anglican (till Easter Vigil, God willing), and GKC pegged it pretty well.

I also spent a few years in a Lutheran church, and it was the same there, although I do not recall a Tabernacle (that doesn;t mean there was not one, though).

I was raised in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and while they believe it is simply a memorial, they would never think of desecrating the Elements. Any unused grape juice was returned to a special bottle and used the next time, and the bread was wrapped and used at the next service. They had Communion at least three times a week, so what was unused at on service was used very soon.

I would imagine that most Protestant churches do similarly, although I am not sure about those who have Communion only rarely.

I cannot imagine anything like the Snickers preacher, though I do not doubt that what was posted was true. I can only pray that that was a rare case.

 

[AlegreFe]

OP did begin with a global generalization about “Protestant” practice.
“how they clean up afterwards” is part of the ritual, not separate, read the GIRM

the point of OP was using this comparison to make an observation about what it the actions say about the underlying belief of those who act. in so doing, OP should have been accurate in stating what the “Protestants” referred to actually do and believe, not a generalizaton.

Please tell me, what in my OP that I said is a generalization? If this is what you mean, then you didn’t read my post.

You’re so right. I agree. If some Protestants knew how the Catholic Church treats what remains then they would know just how reverant the Church is when it comes to Christ’s Body & Blood. I have even heard of some converts that converted due partly to how we treat the Body & Blood of Christ.

I try not to make generalizations about anything that is Protestant because I know that there are way too many denominations to do that.

What I said in my OP was on what the Catholic Church does after Holy Communion in Mass and after Mass. I did not say what the Protestant churches do. I do not know what they do and that is why I asked the question.

You say that I make a generalization yet you do not answer the question that I asked; “How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?” Why don’t you answer the question? Instead you just make an accusation saying that I generalize.

So please if you still think that I generalized, then please put my quote here and be specific as to where I made a generalization. I have a quote from jmcrae in my OP so if that’s who you mean made the generalization then say so. But I know I did not make one.

 

[AlegreFe]

OP did begin with a global generalization about “Protestant” practice.
“how they clean up afterwards” is part of the ritual, not separate, read the GIRM

the point of OP was using this comparison to make an observation about what it the actions say about the underlying belief of those who act. in so doing, OP should have been accurate in stating what the “Protestants” referred to actually do and believe, not a generalizaton.

Please tell me, what in my OP that I said is a generalization? If this is what you mean, then you didn’t read my post.

You’re so right. I agree. If some Protestants knew how the Catholic Church treats what remains then they would know just how reverant the Church is when it comes to Christ’s Body & Blood. I have even heard of some converts that converted due partly to how we treat the Body & Blood of Christ.

I try not to make generalizations about anything that is Protestant because I know that there are way too many denominations to do that.

What I said in my OP was on what the Catholic Church does after Holy Communion in Mass and after Mass. I did not say what the Protestant churches do. I do not know what they do and that is why I asked the question.

You say that I make a generalization yet you do not answer the question that I asked; “How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?” Why don’t you answer the question? Instead you just make an accusation saying that I generalize.

So please if you still think that I generalized, then please put my quote here and be specific as to where I made a generalization. I have a quote from jmcrae in my OP so if that’s who you mean made the generalization then say so. But I know I did not make one.

 

[kellie]

I thought to post a new thread in response to the “Protestant Communion” thread. One of the posters (others too) pointed out how the Catholic Church treats what remains of the Body & Blood of Christ after Holy Communion. Here is that response to the poster;

You’re so right. I agree. If some Protestants knew how the Catholic Church treats what remains then they would know just how reverant the Church is when it comes to Christ’s Body & Blood. I have even heard of some converts that converted due partly to how we treat the Body & Blood of Christ.

When I read about the miracle of the loaves and the fishes I think of the Eucharist right away and how everything is gathered up and nothing is wasted.

After communion the Priest has to drink whatever Precious Blood is left in the chalice. Watch the Daily Mass on EWTN some time. Here’s a schedule with the times of all the shows on EWTN.

None of the Precious Blood is left in the chalice because the priest drinks all of it. That is why if there is only one priest saying Mass he will pour less wine into the chalice before consecrating it. The priest also pours water from the cruet into the chalice after drinking the rest of the Precious Blood so as to “rinse” the chalice before drinking the last drops of the Precious Blood of Christ. After that, the priest wipes the inside of the chalice with a “purificator” which is a small white linen cloth. The blood of Christ is precious and the Church should treat it as such.

After communion, the priest and any of the extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist that ministered Holy Communion should dip their fingers in an ablution cup so that none of the Body of Christ remains on their fingers.

After all of that, the chalice, the paten (small round plate that hold’s the hosts before consecration and the Body of Christ after consecration), the cruets and all the holy vessels are washed in what is called a “sacrarium” which is basically a special sink in the sacristy. This sink is only used for sacred vessels. The excess of holy water, holy oils and blessed ashes are poured into this sink also.

As far as the precious Body of Christ, the “hosts” which are actually and still the body, blood, soul & divinity of Christ, are all gathered up and put away in the Tabernacle. The Tabernacle is even locked so no one could mess with the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Christ.

The Tabernacle is also considered as storage so that the Priests and/or Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist take the Body of Christ can go to sick people, whether in their homes or the hospital and minister Holy Communion to them. The precious Body of Christ is even treated with reverance when taken to the sick becaues it is placed in what is called a pix.

How much reverance is put on what happens to what remains in your church?

OP did begin with a global generalization about “Protestant” practice.
“how they clean up afterwards” is part of the ritual, not separate, read the GIRM

the point of OP was using this comparison to make an observation about what it the actions say about the underlying belief of those who act. in so doing, OP should have been accurate in stating what the “Protestants” referred to actually do and believe, not a generalizaton.

I must need new glasses

 

[AlegreFe]

I must need new glasses

If I open my eyes wide enough… http://www.coolsmilies.net/gestures/whaa1.gif… nope, can’t see it.

let me try these glasses http://www.coolsmilies.net/hats/cool2.gif nope…

how 'bout these… http://www.coolsmilies.net/hats/cool3.gif uuh…

http://www.coolsmilies.net/hats/cool4.gif guess not.

edit… sorry, but haven’t gone to bed yet since last night. :yawn:

 

[Syele]

This is good to know. I’m just curious how long that bread would last though. I guess it would be the same as the Host in the Catholic Church. I don’t know how long they last. I mean the “accidents” and not Jesus of course. I guess that’s just something more to search.

Well they used the old first in first out rule, so the oldest bread is used each week. Unless someone made a big mistake in judging how much Bread is needed I can’t see any of it being there more than a week.

I agree with you about that “snickers pastor.” But I wonder if he is the “head hancho” of his congregation though. No one would be able to take him out. Hey, don’t the people in the congregation vote for who they want their pastor to be? I guess that would be another thread and I’m not generalizing here, I’m just asking.

Some protestant Congregation vote on their pastor(s) and some do not. It would depend on the denomination.

 

[awantz]

In my last church they kept what remained and reused it. I am not sure what they do with what remains at my current church.

 

[tundramom]

I cannot imagine anything like the Snickers preacher, though I do not doubt that what was posted was true. I can only pray that that was a rare case.

Thank you JoyfulOne. As an ex-Mormon, I’m used to being on boards where people often doubt I was ever one of them because of some of the stories I’ve had. It’s nice to be believed!!

As to Pastor Joe, He did indeed say this on several occasions. He always made a point of telling all of us that this was a symbol and that it wasn’t really the body/blood. He had grown up Lutheran and got “saved” at the AG church. Most of the church were ex-Catholics or ex-Lutheran. It was a very small congregation of about 20 families.

I still have a fondness for that church because they led me out of Mormonism. They also led me into the Catholic church in spite of themselves.

in Christ
Steph

 

[skatepixie]

Even if it were just a “symbol,” shouldn’t it be treated with respect? I mean, you wouldn’t treat a Bible roughly, and you wouldn’t treat a cross that way either. So, even if they do believe it’s just a symbol…isn’t it important to respect it as a symbol of our lord?

 

[O.S.Luke]

*The consecrated elements are to be treated with reverent respect and appreciation as gifts of God’s creation that have, in the words of the Great Thanksgiving, become “for us the body and blood of Christ” (*from the epiclesis of The Great Thanksgiving, Hymnal, p. 10)…

The consecrated elements of bread and wine are used for distribution to the sick and others who wish to commune but are unable to attend congregational worship. If any bread and wine remain, they should always be disposed of by (1) the pastor and/or others at the pastor’s direction consuming them in a reverent manner following the service; (2) returning them to the earth by pouring (2 Samuel 23:16), burying, scattering, or burning. - from This Holy Mystery, the official eucharistic teaching of the United Methodist Church

The liturgical term for ‘how we treat the remains’ is ablution.

O+

 

[geauxtigers]

Huh? :nope: That’s pretty sad.

18 Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out
bread and wine, and being a priest of
God Most High, he blessed Abram Gen 14:18

Just throwing my two cents in here, as a protestant, I too think this is sad. That’s not reverent at all.