This is in the Bible?

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“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

“And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)

“If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off.” (1 Cor. 11:6)

“A man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.” (1 Cor. 11:7)

“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I’m just confused on what the deeper meaning of these passages are?
 
“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

“And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)

“If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off.” (1 Cor. 11:6)

“A man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.” (1 Cor. 11:7)

“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I’m just confused on what the deeper meaning of these passages are?
I don’t know that the Old Testament passages have any deeper meaning beyond being the laws that they are - as God’s laws they had (until Christ fulfilled the OT law) meaning simply for that fact.

There needn’t be much of a ‘deeper meaning’ behind the legal fact that the speed limit on your street is 40mph or what have you, surely?

As for the meaning of the New Testament passages about women - Paul makes abundantly clear that the role of BOTH husband and wife is MUTUAL subjection, one to the other.

Husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church - in other words to be willing to do anything, even giving up his own life - for her. You can’t get much more submission or subjection of husband to wife than that depth of love will produce. In Christ it produced the sort of servant-leadership that led to His beautiful gesture of washing the feet of His apostles.

In Christian terms it produces martyrs of the order of St Maximilian Kolbe, who gave up his own life for that of a fellow prisoner because the other man had a wife and children whereas St Max had none.

And among women it produces martyrs of the order of St Maria Goretti, who died rather than submit to rape but not without forgiving her rapist - to whom she appeared in prison, leading to his own reformation and conversion. And St Gianna Molla, who chose her child’s life rather than her own when she was diagnosed with deadly disease whilst pregnant - thus ensuring that neither life was taken in vain.
 
Okay, well how would I respond to this:

"The Bible is a wonderful piece of literature and poetetic work of fiction, but it ends at that. It is immoral, contradictory, unhistoric, and just plain weird. Anyone who thinks that we get our morals from the Bible is sorely mistaken as it has passages far more worse than the ones posted above.
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Noey brings up a point that many sophisticated Christians say, the bible cannot be taken litterally. But why not? Christians did before science caught up with religion; and as science and morallity evolved more and more passages became not literal, but symbolic. But some of it has to be literal or you have no foundation for anything. How do you choose which parts are symbolic and which parts are literal?

Christianity has not been here for thousands of years, Judism has, but not Christianity.

“Then at daybreak the woman came and collapsed at the enterance of the house in which her husband was a guest, where she lay untill the morning. When her husband rose that day and opened the door of the house to start out again on his journey, there lay the woman, his concubine, at the enterance of the house with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, “Come, let us go”; but there was no answer. So the man placed her on an *** and started out again for home.
On reaching home, he took a knife to the body of his concubine, cut her into twelve pieces, and sent them throughout the territory of Israel.”- Judges 19 26-29 (I told you it was weird)"
 
Part of the quote from Richard Dawkins caught my attention:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction”

Part of me wonders if Dawkins has read any of the old testament. God is so merciful and the Israelites are so disobedient and yet he doesn’t abandon them and gives them so many chances.

And what’s all this with Christians taking the bible literally before science caught up? Augustine wrote “A literal interpretation of Genesis” in which he explores the difficulties he had when reading this literally. He knew full well there were implications and he didn’t need to know about any theories of evolution or the big bang to come up with this.

Enough with this worthless drivel.
 
My previous post seems a bit harsh. I must apologize.

I generally find Dawkins work offensive because of his extreme hatred for religion and his arguments are generally emotionally charged accusations.
 
Why don’t all the critics take a couple hours to read what God the Father told to Mother Eugenia Elisabetta Ravasio.

Here are just a few of the messages
(you can find the whole thing online, or buy the book):

In the Old Testament, I created and chose prophets to live among men. To them I told My desires, My sorrows and My joys, so that they could communicate them to everyone.

The more evil grew, the more My goodness urged Me to communicate with just souls so that they could transmit MY commands to those who were creating disorder. Thus, I was sometimes obliged to be strict in order to reprove them; not to punish them - that would only have done harm - but to take them away from vice and lead them to their Father and their Creator, Whom they had forgotten and ignored in their ingratitude. Later, evil overwhelmed men’s hearts to such an extent that I was compelled to send calamities upon the world to purify men through suffering, the destruction of their possessions, or even their death. These were the Flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, man’s wars against man, etc.​

I have always wished to remain in this world among men. So, during the Flood, I was close to Noah, the only just man then. In the other calamities, also, I always found a just man with whom I could stay and, through him, I lived among the men of that time, and it has always been thus.

The world has often been purified of its corruption because of My infinite goodness towards humanity. I continued to choose certain souls in whom I was pleased, because through them I could be happy with My creatures, men.

I promised the world a Messiah. I did all I could to prepare His coming, showing Myself in the figures that represented Him, even thousands of years before His coming!

For who is this Messiah? Whence does He come? What will He do on earth? Whom does He represent?
The Messiah is God.​

Why did I command Moses to build a tabernacle and the ark of the covenant, if not to come and dwell, as a Father, a brother, a close friend, with My creatures, men? This was My ardent desire. In spite of this, they have forgotten Me and offended Me with countless sins. I gave Moses My commandments to remind them, in spite of everything, of God, their Father, and of His sole wish, to save them. They were supposed to observe the commandments and thereby remember their infinitely good Father, always intent upon their present and eternal salvation.

All this was forgotten and men sank into error and fear, considering that the observance of the commandments as I had transmitted them to Moses was too taxing. **They made up other laws in accordance with their whims, in order to observe them more easily. Little by little, in the exaggerated fear they had of Me, they forgot Me more and more and heaped outrages upon Me. **​

Once, in the Old Testament, men behaved like animals, they did not preserve any sign of their dignity as children of God, their Father. So to make them realize that I wanted to raise them to the great dignity of God’s children, I sometimes had to show Myself as dreadfully severe. Later, when I saw some of them were endowed with sufficient reason to understand, eventually, that it was necessary to distance themselves from the animals, I then began to lavish benefits on them, to give them victory over those who were still unable to recognize and preserve their own dignity.

If you love Me as faithful children, you will also have loving and obedient respect for My Church and My representatives. Not a respect such as you show now, which keeps you distant from Me because you are afraid of Me. This false respect that you have now is an injustice to justice, it is a wound you cause to the most sensitive part of My Heart; you are forgetting, scorning, My fatherly love for you.

What most grieved Me about My people, Israel, and what most afflicts Me still about present-day humanity, is this ill-conceived respect you have of Me. Man’s enemy has, in fact, used it to lead him to fall into idolatry and schisms. He is still using it and will continue to use it against you to keep you distant from the truth, from My Church and from Me. Oh, do not allow yourselves to be led any longer by the enemy; believe in the truth that is being revealed to you and walk in the light of this truth.​

**Most of the unbelievers, the impious and various communities remain in their iniquity and unbelief because they think that I am asking the impossible of them, that they have to submit to My commands like slaves of a tyrannical lord, whose power and pride keep him distant from his subjects, to oblige them to show Him respect and devotion. No, no, My children! I know how to make Myself small, far smaller than you can imagine.
**​

And you who are in the true light, tell them how sweet it is to live in the truth! Say also to those Christians, to those dear creatures, My children, how sweet it is to think that there is a Father Who sees everything, knows everything, provides for everything, Who is infinitely good, Who forgives easily and Who punishes only reluctantly and slowly. Tell them to come to Me: I will help them, I will lighten their burden and sweeten their hard life. I will inebriate them with My fatherly love, to make them happy in time and eternity.​

I am among you. Happy are those who believe this truth and who take advantage of this time about which the Scriptures have spoken thus: “There will come a time when God must be honoured and loved by men as He desires.”

The Scriptures then go on to ask: “Why?” and answer: “Because He alone is worthy of honour, love and praise for ever!”

Moses received from Me as the first of the ten commandments, this command to be communicated to men: “Love and worship God!”
 
“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

“And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.” (Leviticus 21:9)

“If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off.” (1 Cor. 11:6)

“A man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.” (1 Cor. 11:7)

“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I’m just confused on what the deeper meaning of these passages are?
Do you visit disbelief.net often? Or watch Religulous? These are the kinds of verse they use to make fun of Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
 
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