This is interesting

[PJM]

=M31;8172486]I’m taking a break from Apologetics since I don’t want to upset people

Anyway, I just wanted to say that yesterday I went to a department store to get some new clothes and when I was waiting in line for my turn, my phone rang and I answered it. What I didn’t know was who came up behind me.

I got off my phone with a friend and it was my turn to check out. When the associate was ringing me up, I heard these loud voices talking in a foreign language behind me and when I turned…there was a nun behind me talking to someone that was with her.

I believe she was Asian and older (like 70+) and she was with the younger person that was purchasing merchandise.

I didn’t think nuns or sisters could leave their convent. She wasn’t a cloistered nun but looked like one of those sisters that gets to go places. She had a veil-like thing around her head and wearing a large, obvious cross around her neck. No doubt she was a sister of some sort!

I’m wondering if she was just taking a little vacation from her religious work to be with a friend? I’m not sure.

Any thoughts?

Wow, what a surprise!

FYI:

ONLY cloistered Orders are not permitted access to “the world.”

For ZILLIONS [OK maybe not Zillions] of years Nuns and Religious Brothers taught in Catholic Schools. That’s pretty public.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[MomaMary8]

I ditto the idea that she may have been shopping with a friend or relative. I know my mom used to take a sister from our school shopping and once we took her onto the military base to shop at the BX. We sure got a lot of looks! lol I can’t remember why she went to the base with us, but I do remember her having a fun time looking at all the things that were for sale. She had a vow of poverty that wouldn’t allow her to buy for herself, but if given money, she could buy for someone else.

 

[starsmurf]

This habit must have been designed by the same person who designed my community’s habit. It’s the same color and just as ugly.

The community I’m discerning a vocation to have someone help you get dressed for the first three mornings after your clothing. Then on the fourth morning, they all wait in anticipation of your first attempt… guarunteed hilarity apparently!

 

[JReducation]

The community I’m discerning a vocation to have someone help you get dressed for the first three mornings after your clothing. Then on the fourth morning, they all wait in anticipation of your first attempt… guarunteed hilarity apparently!

Is their habit that complicated?

Our’s is very simple.

1. grey t-shir and grey boxers
2. grey ribatta
3. grey under tunic
4. grey outer tunic
5. white chord
6. grey shoulder cape with cowl

Then you clip it all together so that nothing moves out of place.

I get to wear shoes, because I’m diabetic.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[JReducation]

FYI:

ONLY cloistered Orders are not permitted access to “the world.”

Actually, nuns can leave the cloister with the permission of the abbess. The Poor Clares go to WYD every time.

Mother Dolores Hart, OSB, is still a member of the Academy and goes to see the movies so that she can vote on them.

St. Teresa of Avila spent more time outside of the enclosure than in it. She founded houses in 14 cities. In those days, it was quite a trip. She lived with her sister for two-years.

Sister Nirmala, the successor of Mother Teresa is a cloistered nun. She ran the congregation, which required a lot of traveling.

There are decrees of enclosure and the abbot or abbess can dispense with it for short periods.

For ZILLIONS [OK maybe not Zillions] of years Nuns and Religious Brothers taught in Catholic Schools. That’s pretty public.

Actually, nuns never taught in schools or have ever done any outside apostolic work. Some nuns have run schools in their monastery.

The women religious who teach in schools are not nuns. They are sisters. They do not make the same vows, nor do they belong to religious orders. They belong to congregations or to societies of apostolic life. Some belong to secular institutes.

The brothers who teach school are lay brothers. Religious brothers are friars, monks, or coadjutor brothers to Clerks Regular. Lay brothers make different vows and follow a have a very different vocation from the religious brother.

We get them confused, because they are called “religious”. There are different kinds of religious and different degrees of consecrated life.

It’s quite complicated, actually. The Holy Father’s explanation in Vita Consacrata is reader friendly. He doesn’t go into the rules, constitutions, canons, and modi procedendi of the Sacred Congregation, but he gives a very clear, even thous its a sweeping explanation, of the different forms of religious life.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[odile53]

I attended a college run by the Grey Nuns of the Sacred Heart: D’Youville College. That was in the early 1970’s. They could not have been a cloistered order, because we had many of the Sisters as professors, assistant professors, and instructors. Particularly in the department of nursing, most of the Sisters wore conservative street clothing, or a white nursing uniform, short hair, and a crucifix. They didn’t wear any sort of veil. I think I saw one Sister wearing their traditional habit, and she was quite elderly at the time. I was in the fine arts department, and my three professors wore banker’s grey business skirt suits with white blouses, a short veil and a crucifix. And the lone Sister-instructor in performing arts, who taught tap and jazz, wore a black tee shirt and black jazz pants with no veil in the studio, and the business suit when not in the studio. She was an excellent dancer, by the way!

That must be a really old picture!

 

[JReducation]

I attended a college run by the Grey Nuns of the Sacred Heart: D’Youville College. That was in the early 1970’s. They could not have been a cloistered order, because we had many of the Sisters as professors, assistant professors, and instructors. Particularly in the department of nursing, most of the Sisters wore conservative street clothing, or a white nursing uniform, short hair, and a crucifix. They didn’t wear any sort of veil. I think I saw one Sister wearing their traditional habit, and she was quite elderly at the time. I was in the fine arts department, and my three professors wore banker’s grey business skirt suits with white blouses, a short veil and a crucifix. And the lone Sister-instructor in performing arts, who taught tap and jazz, wore a black tee shirt and black jazz pants with no veil in the studio, and the business suit when not in the studio. She was an excellent dancer, by the way!

That must be a really old picture!

A woman religious who teaches, nurses, cares for the poor or engages in other works of mercy is never a nun. She is a sister.

Nuns do not engage in apostolic activity except inside their cloister. For example, the Visitandine nuns run girls’ schools, but the girls go to the monastery for classes, just as boys did during the Middle Ages.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[odile53]

Yes, I know that, Brother, but the name of the order is the Grey Nuns of the Sacred Heart. Technically, however, they are actually religious sisters. I’m not sure why the order is called “Nuns,” because they actually aren’t. St. Marguerite D’Youville was always an apostolic (founded some schools, some women’s ministries, that sort of thing.)

 

[JReducation]

Yes, I know that, Brother, but the name of the order is the Grey Nuns of the Sacred Heart. Technically, however, they are actually religious sisters. I’m not sure why the order is called “Nuns,” because they actually aren’t. St. Marguerite D’Youville was always an apostolic (founded some schools, some women’s ministries, that sort of thing.)

Could it be a bad translation into English? I thought they were French. BTW,their habit was ugly. I’m so glad that they changed it. The widow’s peak ws very odd looking.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF

 

[starsmurf]

Is their habit that complicated?

Our’s is very simple.

1. grey t-shir and grey boxers
2. grey ribatta
3. grey under tunic
4. grey outer tunic
5. white chord
6. grey shoulder cape with cowl

Then you clip it all together so that nothing moves out of place.

I get to wear shoes, because I’m diabetic.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

They’re Discalced Carmelites. They wear the traditional full habit. I know that there are under-layers, because I’ve seen a lighter colored layer when I’ve helped the Sisters do housework and they tuck their habits up. I’m not sure how complicated it is, but I’m sure that putting on the wimple-like headcovering (it’s not called that but can’t remember what they do call it) and the veil without a mirror will be interesting! When a new Sister joined recently, she looked like she was born in a hobit. She’s so elegant. I on the other hand, will look like I slept in it!

Can you also tell me why God calls me to the most austere house of the Order in my country? Why me?

 

[TrueLight]

Do nuns or sisters ever wear makeup?

 

[JReducation]

Can you also tell me why God calls me to the most austere house of the Order in my country? Why me?

Because God wants to save your soul. He will call you to the state in life and the place where it can happen.

Do nuns or sisters ever wear makeup?

Nuns do not. Some sisters can wear makeup. Sistes who belong to secular institutes can do so. The reason actually makes sense. The Church asked sisters who belong to secular institutes not to wear habits, but to dress as secular women in order to work from within the secular world. They usually wear whatever other women in their field of work may wear.

Having said that, it must also be understood that there it is important not to call attention to self. That was the whole idea of approving secular institutes. It is a form of the consecrated life lived in anonymity. You’re not very anonymous if you’re dressed like Oprah.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF

 

[M31]

Was it like this?

http://stjean.com/Cebu/images/apostolic1.jpg

Lol, kinda but not really.

 

[adstrinity]

We had a monastery of cloistered Dominican nuns that had no externs. They needed a ride to see the doctor. I ended up sitting in the waiting room of a ladies’ doctor in full Franciscan habit. I wanted to stick my head in my cowl and disappear. I kept sticking my face into one of those magazines that they always have at doctor’s offices and hope that I could just blend in with the furniture.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I have nothing to contribute to this thread, I just want to say, ahem,

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAbreathHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Um, but, just think of how much “time” you knocked off in Purgatory?

 

[JReducation]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread, I just want to say, ahem,

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAbreathHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Um, but, just think of how much “time” you knocked off in Purgatory?

I never thought of it that way.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[qOcOp]

The nun was probably a SOLT Sister

Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity

 

[JReducation]

The nun was probably a SOLT Sister

Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity

http://fratres.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/fr__jim_and_sisters.jpg

Grey is worn by many groups:

SOLT
Order of St. Francis (OSF)
Third Order Regular Franciscan Sisters (TOR)
Claretians
Apostolines
Little Sisters of the Poor
Poor Clares (PC)
Sisters of St. Joseph (CSJ)
Carmelites of Charity

It’s a common habit color today, because it works in warm and cool weather.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[TimothyH]

Speaking of grey habits and such…

So I’m altar serving this morning and a second priest walks out with our parish pastor. I’ve never seen him before but Father rings the bell, everyone starts singing and off we go up to the sanctuary. I"m thinking, OK what am I gonna screw up today with an unexpected priest here.

Right off the bat this guy was different. During the Gospel Acclamation, he had a long, reverent bow toward the tabernacle. There was just something about him which I couldn’t put my finger on. What was really wierd was that when I approached the altar with the water and wine, I had to purify his fingers over the chalice. It really threw me for a loop. I’ve never done that before. I sorta glanced at our regular priest and he nodded slightly as if to say, “It’s OK, go ahead.”

So I move to the side at the Sanctus, kneel down on the second step with my eyes about the hight of the priest’s knees, and I spot it… Grey habit under the vestments… sandals… Bingo! Franciscan.

We wound up chatting for about twenty minutes after Mass, talking about consecration to Mary, religious life, etc. I think he was a from the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Wisconsin.

Anyway, he said he didn’t know anyone named Br. JReducution but said he would pray.

-Tim-

 

[JReducation]

Speaking of grey habits and such…

So I’m altar serving this morning and a second priest walks out with our parish pastor. I’ve never seen him before but Father rings the bell, everyone starts singing and off we go up to the sanctuary. I"m thinking, OK what am I gonna screw up today with an unexpected priest here.

Right off the bat this guy was different. During the Gospel Acclamation, he had a long, reverent bow toward the tabernacle. There was just something about him which I couldn’t put my finger on. What was really wierd was that when I approached the altar with the water and wine, I had to purify his fingers over the chalice. It really threw me for a loop. I’ve never done that before. I sorta glanced at our regular priest and he nodded slightly as if to say, “It’s OK, go ahead.”

So I move to the side at the Sanctus, kneel down on the second step with my eyes about the hight of the priest’s knees, and I spot it… Grey habit under the vestments… sandals… Bingo! Franciscan.

We wound up chatting for about twenty minutes after Mass, talking about consecration to Mary, religious life, etc. I think he was a from the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Wisconsin.

Anyway, he said he didn’t know anyone named Br. JReducution but said he would pray.

-Tim-

That’s one of the subtle differences in the Franciscan Form, you don’t purify your fingers over the dish, but over the chalice.

He would not know me. There are 1.7 million Franciscan men and women in the world. We’re subdivided into over 100 branches. It would be impossible to govern that many people with so many different cultures and ministries. It’s much easier to carve out smaller communities every few years. The FI are one of the newer communities carved out of the Conventual Franciscans.

The FI are a good group of men and women. They’re very good preachers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF