This is my unusual idea of Heaven...does it fit in with any theologians view?

[Thomas_Jennings]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

 

[angell1]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

i think you are free to use your imagination. truth is, no one on earth really knows what heaven is like until we get there. but i don’t know of our feeble imaginations really do it justice. you are right, it will be something we haven’t even thought of probably

 

[Elizium23]

Aeviternity
The Eternity of God

 

[GEddie]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

Maybe Peter Kreeft, although he is probably not a “world class” theologian of the Medieval/Renaissance caliber.

In his writings on Heaven, Kreeft distinguishes between chronos (collinear) time and kairos (instantaneous) time.

Collinear time, TTASM, results from the entropy cooking off in our heads and bodies. Our heavenly “spiritual body” (pneumatikon soma) will not experience time in this way. But something corresponding to time must exist for us to enjoy movement, breathing, or even knowing and remembering. The difference between chronos and kairos time is probably the key.

As to fictional monsters, I know of no theologian who has addressed this possibility.

Happy New Year and ICXC NIKA!

 

[anex]

My Idea of heaven starts with me complaining to God about why my life was so miserable growing up and then wondering why I can’t be hooked up with some awesome comic book super hero style powers, and then reuniting with my animal companions at some point, ( which people here love to adamantly say it wont happen to which I counter there is plenty of room in Heaven for everyone and don’t go complaining to God when I get reunited with them cause He gave em to me first, go ask God for your own animals back on your own. ) That is if we don’t have our memories erased when we get to Heaven. If we don’t I think first thing I am going to do is make sure to pull of a Quantum Leap and right some wrongs in my life, not re write my entire life just fill in some pot holes and make some corrections cause I call shinanigans on being faulted for making mistakes when not being instructed properly and / or didn’t know any better…

But God loves you and Heaven is gona be so much more an yada yada yada snooze fest , I call shinanigans an God loves me so much I am sure He can handle my rants and issues and make it happen.

 

[ClearWater]

My Idea of heaven starts with me complaining to God about why my life was so miserable growing up and then wondering why I can’t be hooked up with some awesome comic book super hero style powers, and then reuniting with my animal companions at some point, ( which people here love to adamantly say it wont happen to which I counter there is plenty of room in Heaven for everyone and don’t go complaining to God when I get reunited with them cause He gave em to me first, go ask God for your own animals back on your own. ) That is if we don’t have our memories erased when we get to Heaven. If we don’t I think first thing I am going to do is make sure to pull of a Quantum Leap and right some wrongs in my life, not re write my entire life just fill in some pot holes and make some corrections cause I call shinanigans on being faulted for making mistakes when not being instructed properly and / or didn’t know any better…

But God loves you and Heaven is gona be so much more an yada yada yada snooze fest , I call shinanigans an God loves me so much I am sure He can handle my rants and issues and make it happen.

I think one saint said heaven starts with forgetting any pains and troubles, goes from there!

 

[ClearWater]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

Wasn’t it Jimmy Akins that said heaven would have whatever we needed to be happy? If we absolutely NEED make believe monsters or animals in order to be happy, they will be there!

However, if you think make believe monsters are something, you should really see God’s glory!

 

[TheDoctor]

Since God is out of time, we will have no reference there. If I am blessed enough to make it to Heaven and be part of the Beatific Vision (to see God) I will be part of His love and want for nothing more than that.

This is still a rough concept for me as I miss my dad and mom, but everything I love or have loved will be part of God’s love being shared with me so in a way I will have everything all at once.

 

[Dorothy]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

My (name removed by moderator)ut is about “chronos” time,and “kairos” time.

I heard a priest describe chronos time as “tick-tock”, like we experience in time.

And then he said…that there are times when one can get in a conversation about the Lord with someone else, and the exchange is so good that the two people are not aware of time passing, but are swept up into kairos time which is what we experience in heaven. “God’s time”, where it is always “Now”.

My perception most likely falls short of what it should be, but I wanted to share it.

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Another thing about Heaven…we read about people who, in the journey of their spiritual lives and deep prayer lives, are sometimes caught up in an ecstasy of love and tiny revelation of how much God loves them. When this happens, they sort of see that everything in this life is passing away, and what remains is the ecstatic experience of God’s love that is truly desirable. If they were given the choice of dying right then, or staying on earth, they would choose to die and not look back. And, that would only be a tiny part of what Heaven is like.

I forgot where I heard or read this, but Heaven is falling into God for all eternity. We will be overwhelmed delightfully at the infinite love that God has for us as an individual.

So, what it says in Scripture, about “eye has not seen, nor ear heard what God has prepared for those who love him.”… is all perfectly true!

 

[brierpatch1974]

I just want to get there Considering the alternative. No stress and an easy peaceful feeling would be all I need. Small streams and woods and plenty of sunshine. More than I will ever need.

 

[Simca]

My Idea of heaven starts with me complaining to God about why my life was so miserable growing up and then wondering why I can’t be hooked up with some awesome comic book super hero style powers, and then reuniting with my animal companions at some point, ( which people here love to adamantly say it wont happen to which I counter there is plenty of room in Heaven for everyone and don’t go complaining to God when I get reunited with them cause He gave em to me first, go ask God for your own animals back on your own. ) God loves me so much I am sure He can handle my rants and issues and make it happen.

I think we’ll all have lots of questions for God and I think he’ll answer them all.

I do plan on asking God for my pets back. I think that animals will be in heaven–God created everything to live forever–man messed it up for all creatures. Is this another post in itself?

 

[tonyrey]

My ideal Heaven would have an unimaginably different kind of time. No time is inhuman and linear time a frustratingly never ending story with no ‘goal’. It would have to be a time we haven’t even thought of. Things we particularly love here ( in my case the fictional tv series Dr Who and fictional monsters- don’t laugh! They’re great!) will be fulfilled in Heaven. In other words, those things here serve as echoes/ shadows of Heaven/something in Heaven. That heaven’s joy and satisfaction far, far surpasses Earth’s. Is there any respected theologian that would go with these ideas?

Why not? The only obstacles to God’s love exist in our mind - unless they are evil.

 

[oldcelt]

I always viewed heaven as being a state of mind where you do the things you wanted to do in life but didn’t make it.

 

[Elizium23]

I do plan on asking God for my pets back. I think that animals will be in heaven–God created everything to live forever–man messed it up for all creatures. Is this another post in itself?

Yes, that does not comport with Church doctrine on the unique position of human beings in God’s plan. Our eternal souls were created to live forever; animals have mortal souls which animate them while they are alive and expire with the body. Plants and rocks and stars were not made to live forever, and will pass away with the temporal world at the end of their usefulness. Everything will pass away at the end of time when Christ’s Kingdom comes to Earth. We will trade our mortal bodies for glorified bodies. So no, not everything will live forever. Only the angels and the souls of men.

 

[GEddie]

Yes, that does not comport with Church doctrine on the unique position of human beings in God’s plan. Our eternal souls were created to live forever; animals have mortal souls which animate them while they are alive and expire with the body. Plants and rocks and stars were not made to live forever, and will pass away with the temporal world at the end of their usefulness. Everything will pass away at the end of time when Christ’s Kingdom comes to Earth. We will trade our mortal bodies for glorified bodies. So no, not everything will live forever. Only the angels and the souls of men.

Whoooh.

The Church ( as opposed to its philosophers) has left the animal afterlife an open question.

That’s good enough for me.

As much as I love my dog, I doubt she would be uppermost in my mind if I could leap bodily into our LORD’s arms!

It would be great to see her there though.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[JoyintheCross]

Sometimes I ask the theologians and philosophers why God would do away with what He creates. Not that He doesn’t have the right, because He does…He is the Author of Life. However, I not sure I believe that God would do away with the beauty He created…that includes plants and animals, and even the inanimate rocks. And…isn’t there supposed to be a restoration of creation as the Catechism puts it. I recommend anyone who ponders this question to read the section on the New Heavens and New Earth, which speaks of the restoration of both our planet and the universe.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2Q.HTM
"1046 For the cosmos, Revelation affirms the profound common destiny of the material world and man:

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God . . . in hope because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay… We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

1047 The visible universe, then, is itself destined to be transformed, “so that the world itself, restored to its original state, facing no further obstacles, should be at the service of the just,” sharing their glorification in the risen Jesus Christ."

I also suggest people obtain this book: “The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life” by Fr. Charles Arminjon. It’s even recommended by St. Therese of Lisieux. ‘Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life.’

In the chapter titled, “The Place of Immortal Life and the State of Glorified Bodies After the Resurrection”, Fr. Arminjon tells us, “…creation will not perish: the temple of immortality will not be an ethereal, incorporeal place, as some imagine and teach, but a material abode and a city. St. Anselm describes this new earth when he says, ‘This earth, which sustained and nourished the holy body of the Lord, will be a paradise. Because it has been washed with the blood of martyrs, it will be eternally ornamented with sweet-smelling flowers, violets, and roses that will not wither.’”

 

[Dorothy]

When I think about the dogs I enjoyed in my life, I am reminded that the good things about these animals that endeared them to me, came from the Lord. They are such special gifts to us! Gifts from God

 

[tonyrey]

I always viewed heaven as being a state of mind where you do the things you wanted to do in life but didn’t make it.

The things you want(ed) to do aren’t necessarily the things that make you happy.

 

[Faith1960]

Maybe Peter Kreeft, although he is probably not a “world class” theologian of the Medieval/Renaissance caliber.

In his writings on Heaven, Kreeft distinguishes between chronos (collinear) time and kairos (instantaneous) time.

Collinear time, TTASM, results from the entropy cooking off in our heads and bodies. Our heavenly “spiritual body” (pneumatikon soma) will not experience time in this way. But something corresponding to time must exist for us to enjoy movement, breathing, or even knowing and remembering. The difference between chronos and kairos time is probably the key.

As to fictional monsters, I know of no theologian who has addressed this possibility.

Happy New Year and ICXC NIKA!

Are Jesus and Mary’s ascended and assumed glorified bodies spiritual bodies and if so, how do we explain how Jesus said He was made of flesh and bone after His resurrection, prior to His ascension?

 

[GEddie]

Are Jesus and Mary’s ascended and assumed glorified bodies spiritual bodies and if so, how do we explain how Jesus said He was made of flesh and bone after His resurrection, prior to His ascension?

Although our Spiritual Body (literally, pneumatikon soma) is formed and “alivened” by spiritual rather than natural means, it remains a human body, therefore solid; therefore head, skin, hands, and feet, ie, “flesh and bone.”

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