This is The REAL Islam

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In islam when we hear good news we say ’ praise God’ inorder to remember that what ever good is in our lives comes not from ourselves but the one who created us.

when we hear bad or distressful news we say ’ praise God in all circumstances’ because whatever bad/evil comes into our live come from the one who owns our souls.

when we greet our brothers and sisters in faith, we pray for peace and mercy be upon to them from the one who sustains us.

when we eat or drink we invoke the name of the one true God who is all merciful and most compassionate.

when we we leave our houses, get into our cars, go into the bathroom, put on clothes, take off clothes, begin a task, finish a task, meet with our friends, family and community and just plan go about our daily lives there is constent rememberance on the tip of our tongues that from God we came from and onto HIM we return.

we clean ourselves with water 5 times a day inorder to physically purify ourselves before we engage in a formal act of worship to the creator of the heavens and the earth and ever thing in between.

we fully know that if everything in the heavens and the earth were to come together and do us good that we would not recieve an atoms worth of good that was not already written for us to recieve and that if every thing in the heavens and the earth were to come together to do us harm, we would not recieve an atoms worth of harm that was not already written done for us.

when ever we are frighten, alone, confused, happy, excited, the constent remembers of God is on the lips of muslims.

THE IS ISLAM
 
Church Militant:
Personally, I really don’t need a Moslem (though I know some decent guys who claim to be), or the Quran to form an opinion of radical Islam. I have the vivid memory of the Twin Towers, the DC snipers, and all the suicide bombers from the news to sort of fill in the blanks.

Now one can say that they aren’t all like that, and I agree completely,
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What I notice is that when 9/11 happened, was the HUMONGOUS SILENCE from the Mullahs.

Where’s the Islamic version of the Vatican speaking out? Nowhere. They don’t have one.

Where’s the Islamic high council of elder mullahs? Nowhere. They don’t have one.

They claim to believe in the Koran alone. One Muslim said that no mullah is above the Koran. (This doctrine sounds familiar…)

So which is the real Islam? There’s no such thing. Each mullah has their own interpretation and can interpret the Koran as they see fit, and nobody can condemn them.

Is 9/11 a misinterpretation of the Koran? Well, if the Koran has the 10 commandments, and one of them is THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, then I say “YES” - if they don’t believe in the 10 commandments, then the answer is “NO”

I recommend fighting Islam through APOLOGETICS

answering-islam.org/ (a protestant site, but it is good)
 
Just to point out that we have some fire in the Bible, the requirement of believing to be saved, even death penalty for adultery. We have dispensations from the impediment of affinity, as well. We also say that everyone who denies Catholicism is in error (from papal infallibility, If Pope=1, then !Pope=0, as simple as that). Striking down whole towns, bringing doom and drowning Egyptians is in the Bible, so is Sodom and Gomorah, Noah and Lot.

In debates between all the children of Abraham, the funny thing is that what members of one religion or denomination hate in the books of another, they often have in their own books, as well. Justice demands that if we have verses which require special reading and explanation, we should hear out the same kind of explanations from other people.

Next, we may point out that other religions coming from the root of Abraham don’t have a Vatican equivalent, but this doesn’t mean that we are all uniform on doctrine and morals within the Catholic Church. We have the Popes, the Councils, the Magisterium. But the reading of a reading requires a reading, which requires a reading… it goes on and on to infinity. I’ve seen readings of the Magisterium by Catholics which I consider most bizarre. I’ve seen what I consider Catholics coming up with their own doctrine on one hand and with excuses for wrong things on the other hand (they see what I say as the exact same, don’t doubt), so should I be surprised by strange ideas about Islam, especially if there’s no supreme religious authority there?
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USCatholic:
You want to debate with the Muslims, or vice versa ? Just refer them to this thread or the link posted in the thread.
For me, to summarize: Islam is Satan’s cult.
This is a FACT. It is the TRUTH.
The Bible is clear, anyone who denies the Resurection is the Anti-Christ, i.e. EVIL, i.e. made of Satan.
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What is the debate going to look like if you go and tell them your book is clear on that they are evil and they tell you their books says you are evil? You will only get a liberal secularist mullah chiming in and screaming enthusiastically, “Didn’t I warn you? That’s what religions give you. Peace, peace… All religions are equal./All religions are vile.”
 
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BobCatholic:
What I notice is that when 9/11 happened, was the HUMONGOUS SILENCE from the Mullahs.

Where’s the Islamic version of the Vatican speaking out? Nowhere. They don’t have one.

Where’s the Islamic high council of elder mullahs? Nowhere. They don’t have one.

They claim to believe in the Koran alone. One Muslim said that no mullah is above the Koran. (This doctrine sounds familiar…)

So which is the real Islam? There’s no such thing. Each mullah has their own interpretation and can interpret the Koran as they see fit, and nobody can condemn them.

Is 9/11 a misinterpretation of the Koran? Well, if the Koran has the 10 commandments, and one of them is THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, then I say “YES” - if they don’t believe in the 10 commandments, then the answer is “NO”

I recommend fighting Islam through APOLOGETICS

answering-islam.org/ (a protestant site, but it is good)
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Bob,

I certainly agree. Killing just leads to more killing. Sometimes we must support military intervention to protect innocent lives. The Holocaust and Rwanda should have taught us that. However, in virtually every case if we approached Muslims with a gentle and reasoned word we would be approaching them with Jesus.

Almost every Muslim I’ve ever met was kind and open minded. Most can tell stories of how they or their family have been persecuted by other Muslims. One day I will start a thread with such stories and how the message of the Gospel often brought help and healing to them.

Don’t get me wrong. There are plenty of bullies in Islam and it is not essentially a religion of peace even if you are a fellow Muslim. The religion itself has many many flaws. Yet, Christ died for everyone. We can share Him through words and actions with everyone including Muslims.

One of the best books I’ve read recently in this area is by Brother Andrew, “Light Force”. He’s a protestant and smuggled Bibles into Russia and China. Now he is working in Lebanon and Israel.

Jesus’ advice is excellent here: “Be as wise as serpants but as harmless as doves.” Both sides of that equation are absolutely essential.

Dan L
 
Church Militant:
Personally, I really don’t need a Moslem (though I know some decent guys who claim to be), or the Quran to form an opinion of radical Islam. I have the vivid memory of the Twin Towers, the DC snipers, and all the suicide bombers from the news to sort of fill in the blanks. Then of course there are the posters like “TrueJesus”, who make such a charming impression of tolerance and charity.

Good point Church Militant!

I agree with you whole heartidly. I also don’t need any Christians to form an opinion of radical Christianity. I have vivid memories of what the Catholic Church sanctioned in Rwanda, David Duke, The Spanish Inquisition,David Koresh - the most religious Catholic Christian I’ve ever seen, and guys like you who name themselves “Church Militant”.

Oh wait - I just realized that I can tell the difference between what a religion calls to, and what the people practise in the name of their religion. Islam is a religion of peace. Don’t use examples of what Muslims do on this Earth as Islamic beliefs.

Munawar
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Munawar:
Good point Church Militant!

I agree with you whole heartidly. I also don’t need any Christians to form an opinion of radical Christianity. I have vivid memories of what the Catholic Church sanctioned in Rwanda, David Duke, The Spanish Inquisition,David Koresh - the most religious Catholic Christian I’ve ever seen, and guys like you who name themselves “Church Militant”.

Oh wait - I just realized that I can tell the difference between what a religion calls to, and what the people practise in the name of their religion. Islam is a religion of peace. Don’t use examples of what Muslims do on this Earth as Islamic beliefs.

Munawar
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Ok, we know that historically Islam is a Christian heresy mixed in with some unusual pagan beliefs. That is Islam understood by its beliefs.

Dan L
 
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Munawar:
Good point Church Militant!

I agree with you whole heartidly. I also don’t need any Christians to form an opinion of radical Christianity. I have vivid memories of what the Catholic Church sanctioned in Rwanda, David Duke, The Spanish Inquisition,David Koresh - the most religious Catholic Christian I’ve ever seen, and guys like you who name themselves “Church Militant”.

Oh wait - I just realized that I can tell the difference between what a religion calls to, and what the people practise in the name of their religion. Islam is a religion of peace. Don’t use examples of what Muslims do on this Earth as Islamic beliefs.
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Munawar,
I have seen your other posts, and you are a reasonable man. Why would you post this? David Duke was not Catholic. David Koresh was not Catholic. The Catholic Church never sanctioned violence in Rwanda - in fact, she has spoken against the attrocities frequently. Finally, I do not think you have an accurate view of the Spanish Inquisition. If you would like more information on it, please see this link (catholic.com/library/inquisition.asp - it’s geared towards Protestant Fundimentalists, but their errors seem to be yours) or start a new thread. We can work past your misunderstandings.

Also, “Church Militant” is the name the Church gives to christians on earth. “Church Triumphant” is the name the Church gives to christians in heaven. “Church Suffering” is the name the Church gives to christians in purgatory. “Church Militant” is a suitable name - if only you know what our weapons are! Our weapons are (or should be) Love, Compassion, Mercy, Charity, Justice, Logic, and most importantly - Prayer. Again, Islam is not what some “Muslims” do - Catholicism is not what some “Catholics” do. Our Book is clear that these are our primary weapons, even if other weapons are sometimes (and unfortunately) necessary to protect those whome we love.

Peace be with you,
RyanL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Ok, we know that historically Islam is a Christian heresy mixed in with some unusual pagan beliefs. That is Islam understood by its beliefs.

Dan L
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Hi Dan L,

That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it.

Munawar
 
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RyanL:
Munawar,
I have seen your other posts, and you are a reasonable man. Why would you post this? David Duke was not Catholic. David Koresh was not Catholic. The Catholic Church never sanctioned violence in Rwanda - in fact, she has spoken against the attrocities frequently. Finally, I do not think you have an accurate view of the Spanish Inquisition. If you would like more information on it, please see this link (catholic.com/library/inquisition.asp - it’s geared towards Protestant Fundimentalists, but their errors seem to be yours) or start a new thread. We can work past your misunderstandings.
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Hi Ryan,

I should have put a Sarcasm intended line at the end of my paragraph. Yes, I realize all of those people and ideas are divorced from the reality of Christianity. Which is also true for Muslims who do things in the name of Islam. We need to seperate the followers from the Religious ideology!

As for ‘Church Militant’, I didn’t know that! Thanks

Munawar
 
Munawar, Muslims, Catholics, etc

Okay, Let’s look at the FACTS from the KORAN and GENESIS.
In the Koran, Allah (singular) uses the plural pronoun “WE” to refer to Allah. And Allah uses “WE” not just once but many, many times.

GOOGLE “we created man”. You will see many many times when in the Koran, Allah uses the pronoun “WE”.
This use by Allah of the pronoun plural “we” is CONSISTENT WITH THE CATHOLIC BELIEF OF ONE GOD where in Genesis, GOD SAYS, "Let US make man in OUR image and likeness . . . "
Muslims like Jermin Savory might say, that Allah is using the plural pronoun “we” to show respect. I understand from Jermin Savory that that is how they express repect in Arabic.

Well that is what Muslims say. BUT SUPPOSE ALLAH IS MORE MYSTERIOUS AND MORE GREAT THAN THE MUSLIM IDEA OF WHAT GOD IS??? SUPPOSE GOD IS ALSO 3 PERSONS??? HOW IS ALLAH GOING TO TELL OR WRITE THAT TO THE MUSLIMS IF EVERYTIME ALLAH WRITES OR SAYS IT, THE MUSLIMS WILL INSIST AND INSIST THAT ALLAH IS NOT SAYING HE IS 3 PERSONS ONE GOD BUT IS ONLY ONE PERSON ONE GOD AND IS ONLY USING THE PLURAL PRONOUN TO SHOW RESPECT???

Remember, CATHOLICS BELIEVE THERE IS ONLY ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD. THERE IS NO OTHER GOD!!! AND THIS IS ALSO EXACTLY WHAT THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE!!!

THE FACT IS THAT IN THE KORAN ALLAH USES THE PLURAL PRONOUN “WE” TO REFER TO ALLAH.

AND SO DOES GENESIS!!! God says in Genesis, “Let US make man in OUR image and likeness…”
 
Munawar,

Perhaps this may help in thinking about the Trinity:

Picture a shamrock blackdog4kids.com/holiday/pat/wallpaper/shamrock-med.gif

Each leaf of the shamrock is a Person of God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Now…which leaf is the shamrock? Can any leaf be the shamrock without the other? Is the shamrock only one leaf? No! All of the leaves are required for the shamrock to be a shamrock. Without any leaves, there is no shamrock. With all three leaves present, there is ONLY ONE shamrock.

There is no God but God. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!

Peace be with you,
RyanL
 
Of course, Muslims don’t see anything wrong with the contents of the Quran or with Islam as a whole. Yet Evil in the Quran is clear and bright as sunlight.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims, lay and scholars, are blindfolded by centuries of BRAINWASHING.

Few of them, who THINK and REASON, only find the TRUTH.

Therefore, when you see a Muslim defending his cult, even after presenting him or her with overwhelming, undisputable evidence, taken from their “holy book,” they still, hardheaddly, defend their holy evil book and cult.

Remember the cheering of the Palestinians, for example, when Bin Laden, in the name of Allah, killed 3,000 innocent human beings, simply because they were not Muslims.

In Islam, it is allowed, it is a duty, it is required from every Muslim to hate and kill the “Kafirs” (the non-believers), i.e. to wage JIHAD.

Islam is the only cult (I prefer to discribe it as it is: cult, not “religion”) in the world that rewards the KILLING of the non-believers in its deity and beliefs.

72 VIRGINS and YOUNG BOYS, plus many other pleasures are the rewards given from Allah, in his paradise, to his suicide martyrs.

The examples from old and very recent history are plenty to dig from.

Just look at he news, today, everyday, you will read and see that a human being, somewhere in the world, is killed in the name of Islam, in the name of Allah, the muslim god.

Yet, Muslims see good in Islam.

Brainwashing is a-hard-to-cure-from disease.
 
I believe when you have taken in to much ignorance and lies and become rabid on hate, the first signs are faoming at the mouth. :banghead: you need to relax uscatholic find a little love in your heart :love: too much hate can do harm to your health :nope:

I pray that you find peace and truth ( from real sources). 👍
 
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Munawar:
Good point Church Militant!

I agree with you whole heartidly. I also don’t need any Christians to form an opinion of radical Christianity. I have vivid memories of what the Catholic Church sanctioned in Rwanda, David Duke, The Spanish Inquisition,David Koresh - the most religious Catholic Christian I’ve ever seen, and guys like you who name themselves “Church Militant”.

Oh wait - I just realized that I can tell the difference between what a religion calls to, and what the people practise in the name of their religion. Islam is a religion of peace. Don’t use examples of what Muslims do on this Earth as Islamic beliefs.

Munawar
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I couldn’t tell from your response…
 
fatuma,

I apologize for my fellow Catholic. His feelings run deep, and he is clearly passionate about his faith. I’m sure you would agree that passion for your faith is a good thing - we should, however, be passionate without forgetting the virtue of temporance. We may be zealous, but we should not be overcome by our emotions. I hope he won’t discourage you from listening with an open heart and seeking to understand what we say.

Peace be with you,
RyanL
 
oh, I didn’t take an offense, no uscatholic has been very entertaining. His posts are a barrel of laughs. :rotfl:
 
In islam when we hear good news we say ’ praise God’ inorder to remember that what ever good is in our lives comes not from ourselves but the one who created us.
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when we hear bad or distressful news we say ’ praise God in all circumstances’ because whatever bad/evil comes into our live come from the one who owns our souls.
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Fatuma,

There is a radical difference between rejoicing when people suffers than when people are being killed for the sake of their religion.

In the case of the Twin Towers where many people died, do you think God is happy at how the muslims in the Middle East were rejoicing and dancing in the streets and chanting “death to America!” and burning the American flags out of their hatred against the West?

You must rethink your position.

Pio
 
umm… maybe I should explain this better. NOTHING happens in this world without the blessing of God All Mighty. If you do not believe this then you do not believe in God. When something bad happens we say ’ praise God’ because no matter what happens, no matter how much we suffer, God is still the greatest, God is still all powerful and it is to God that we look towards our saving, our redemption and the peace that comes from knowing that through God’s mercy we will get through whatever hardships we face, because God is:
beautifulislam.net/intro/names_of_god.htm

ps. I believe that it was proven that the crowd of dancing people was taped years ago during a celebration and out of ignorance( being the kindest word I can think of), the newstaion aired it. If I am wrong I am willing to take this back.
 
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USCatholic:
Remember the cheering of the Palestinians, for example, when Bin Laden, in the name of Allah, killed 3,000 innocent human beings, simply because they were not Muslims.

In Islam, it is allowed, it is a duty, it is required from every Muslim to hate and kill the “Kafirs” (the non-believers), i.e. to wage JIHAD.
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  1. Bin Laden is a TERRORIST. Much like the IRA and UFF/UVF…are they representative of Catholics and Protestants? They kill each other in Belfast because of their religion. Some Protestants (a group of grown men) in Belfast once attacked two school boys because they believed they were Catholic (based on their pronouncement of a certain letter, which is supposed to tell which part of the city you’re from). They put a cigarrette out in their eyes. Plus, Palestinians aren’t necessarily the best examples of peaceful people; I gave a speech on the Israel/Palestine conflict last year.
  2. That’s not what Jihad means.
I’ve said it before: I don’t agree with a lot that Islam teaches, but I’m not going to hate them because of it. I will direct my anger towards the terrorists who murder in the name of their religion, but not towards Muslims around the world.
 
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fatuma:
ps. I believe that it was proven that the crowd of dancing people was taped years ago during a celebration and out of ignorance( being the kindest word I can think of), the newstaion aired it. If I am wrong I am willing to take this back.
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Either way, they were burning US flags and chanting “death to America”…I think that’s unacceptable no matter when they do it. Let’s keep in mind these people have never been to America and most likely never met or even seen an American in their lives.
 
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