This is the REAL way I would end abortion

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Some people who call themselves pro-choice offer only one choice. 🤷 abortion.
I am sure that some people will disagree with my reasoning, mainly those who are pro-choice, which isn’t a surprise.
My goal is ultimately not about the legality of abortion, or even whether personal choice is allowed.
I want abortion to cease to exist, as quickly as possible. I am also against the death penalty and euthanasia, so not hypocrisy labels. I would help my son, in any way possible, and the mother of his child ( many years hence, since he is but 7 ) to help them avoid an abortion. Now… here is how I would end abortion, with the goal of making it cease to exist, regardless of slogans.
  1. I would attempt to make sure all woman and men, boys and girls, were taught self respect and how to avoid sexual temptation without the responsibility.
  2. I would council any woman or girl who got pregnant, and the biological father, about EVERY option, I would mention abortion only in passing, and only to tell them the negative consequences.
  3. I would tell all parents of unborn children, father and mother both, that their baby loves them, we love them, and that their baby is a genetically unique individual.
  4. I would either personally provide, or make sure that someone else provided, necessary medical and financial assistance to provide care for mother, child, and father, as needed, including a way to finish educational goals, without abortion.
  5. I would strongly encourage, with financial and other rewards, adoption, family care, foster care, etc.
  6. I would work to make abortion unneeded, by pressing and encouraging medical treatment advancements making abortion unnecessary for medical reasons. I would also make a cesarean section type of operation available and encouraged, for any baby possibly able to survive outside the womb, as an alternative to abortion, at the same cost as an abortion. Done in a hospital, not at a remote clinic.
  7. I would set up pro-life clinics in every neighborhood that has an abortion clinic, as close as possible to the abortion clinic, and publicly advertise non abortion options.
  8. I would encourage, or help, people involved in the abortion industry, to get jobs doing something else, using any legal methods available.
  9. I would set up a chapel as close as possible to every abortion clinic I could, with perpetual adoration set up, and prayers specifically devoted to ending abortion, and sending the evil behind it back to hell.
  10. I would encourage parents, families, and communities, to come together and offer all possible help to any pregnant couple, mother, and father if available and appropriate, to make sure they avoided abortion out of need or fear.
    I am sure there is more that can be done, but I will let these stand for now.
    Legality and personal choice aside, offering as many possible alternatives, as well as love, and combatting the evil behind it directly, and proximally, would be the best ways I think to combat abortion, making it cease to exist in the minds of as many humans as possibly can be done,as a possibility.
 
Excellent suggestions!

I’m guessing, sadly, that if these measures were implimented 100% of the time we’d still see those getting abortions simply because they want to have one and/or feel they have to prove something by having one (having power over one’s own body?).
 
The reality is that when you do not want IT****, being pregnant for nine months is very inconvenient. It is sad, but true.:sad_bye:
 
I say we turn all Planned parenthoods into places that supply single mothers with counseling, shelter, support, diapers, baby clothes and food, cribs, strollers, etc!

Who’s with me! 😃

Seriously though. Wouldn’t that be amazing? Then we Houstonians wouldn’t be so ashamed to have the biggest planned parenthood in the world… 😦 :mad:
 
Only one is worth anything, if a woman doesn’t want to be a mother she is going to have an abortion if she get pregnant, and only one stops that from happening, put all your effort on that one if you want to end abortion, all the others are jsut stop gaps that will have very little impact.
 
sex and/or love. Can’t start it like a truck, can’t stop it with a gun. Nice suggestions nearly none of which will make any significant difference.
 
justamoose89 said:
I say we turn all Planned parenthoods into places that supply single mothers with counseling, shelter, support, diapers, baby clothes and food, cribs, strollers, etc!

Who’s with me! 😃

Seriously though. Wouldn’t that be amazing? Then we Houstonians wouldn’t be so ashamed to have the biggest planned parenthood in the world… 😦 :mad:
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It wouldn’t make a bit of difference.
 
A lot of those actually also encourage abortion by rewarding fornication, it is fornication that leads to abortion in most cases.
 
Milesius said:
A lot of those actually also encourage abortion by rewarding fornication, it is fornication that leads to abortion in most cases.
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I completely agree with this poster. (With the qualifier that in the U.S., it is fornication that leads to most abortions. In some other countries, abortions are just as likely, if not more likely, to occur among married women.) But yes, in this country it’s largely a pregnancy that has occurred out of wedlock, not in it.

In previous eras in this country, women did get abortions, and plentifully (proportional to out-of-wedlock pregnancies) long before Roe v. Wade. But here’s another difference: there was strong moral disapproval of routinely copulating, let alone getting pregnant, outside of marriage. It was not considered a high-class, respectable thing to do. Nowadays, heck – there are flat-out celebrations of movie stars who conceive deliberately out of wedlock. It’s considered “judgmental” and “intolerant” not to approve universally of every unconventional lifestyle, marital choice, partnering choice, etc. So while previously it was the irresponsible couple that had to worry about being a pariah within their own family & social circle, now it’s the other way around. One worries about being a pariah in one’s circle, and in the general public, if one dares not to celebrate, or at least vocally approve of, irresponsible choices. And it’s the media that drives and sustains such publicly-dictated, artificial tolerance.

Previously, a man would lose some social standing if he impregnated a woman and chose not to marry her. It was considered that he abandoned his responsibility – both to the child and to the woman. That was when commitment and personal responsibility and integrity had real meaning and “tooth.”

You will notice that in cultures that give more than lip-service to family values – in that the men do stick around, and where there is support for cohesiveness of the family, etc., abortion rates are lower. (That, btw, eliminates the machismo culture, which does not reject men for abandoning their paternal responsibilities.)

Also – and this has not been discussed enough on the hundreds of abortion threads on CAF – the raw, unattractive fact is that aside from pockets of subcultures here in this country, modern America is lukewarm about family. The family is not the seat of morality it once was (in terms of its teaching role, for example – that has been surrendered to public education and to the general media :eek:). People are not particularly alarmed if a young person abandons his or her family for an extended period, or permanently. This was not the way things were, as a rule, before about 1965. It was not something to be shrugged off, let alone celebrated, if one “left” one’s family, chose different environments, different families, different situations than those of one’s birth. It was not considered a mark of success to leave one’s family; it was considered somewhat embarrassing (to the family & to the individual); if anything, it was a mark of failure.

Less family loyalty, less family identification, translates to far less personal accountability, conscience, and, by extension, far less support when one does stray, make mistakes of judgment, etc. Family is something to mostly leave, by age 18 anyway. And greater mobility, universally, compounds the problem.

So, hey: I’m a 17-year-old who’s pregnant and I think my family might disapprove, and certainly not support me financially or emotionally? No problem: just leave the family, get an abortion, start a new life.

With any issue – for example, education, in some cultures – if the cultural approval/disapproval factor is strong enough AND it is difficult to exist socially while being apart from the family unit and family’s approval, you’d better believe that the young people work their tails off (sometimes too much :)) applying themselves to their education. It’s huge in those cultures if you fail to deliver on your studies. You can become an emotional out-cast and the object of shame if you do not at least try your best to perform as expected. It’s the family that sets that standard, not a law or a political rally. Fear of personal or social rejection can be a powerful motivator relative to one’s behavior.

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continuing…

I will also say that lots of people ignore the obvious. Um, if teenagers (for example) with raging hormones have no opportunity to get together intimately, pregnancy doesn’t occur. (Hmmm, what a coincidence.) My dates in high school were extremely limited. In fact my social opportunities with boys were practically nil because I attended a girls’ Catholic high school where there were no boys for miles. And I mean miles. Ditto for my own girls. Further, the culture in our own family was that you had three activities you could engage in nightly: (1) education (2) education (3) education. I, as a teenager, and my children, later, were busy working our buns off in school. When we weren’t burning the midnight oil studying, we were extremely busy at serious extracurriculars which were not opportunties for socializing with oversexed boys, but opportunities for achieving. When families re-order their priorities, the problems of growing up too fast just go away.

Nowadays (I work in education), parents seem to feel they need permission to be parents. :rolleyes: They seem not to understand that they’re in charge, and get to say No. Instead, they tell me that they “need permission” from their children to set up rules, boundaries, and to enforce consequences. (Seriously. I am not making this up.) The idea, in many households, that you can monitor or restrict or reduce social opportunities is something that doesn’t occur to them. Such parents say that they “couldn’t do that” to their children. I wonder if they ever said their children couldn’t play in traffic, or if they were worried about the children’s reaction to that prohibition as well.
 
I think these are all GREAT suggestions. One suggestion I have for the OP is to get involved in a program of peaceful protest called 40 Days for Life. Do a Yahoo/Google search and get on their mailing list. These folks are very much into CONCRETE, hands-on ways to end abortion in this nation.

I agree about 10% with those who responded saying that these suggestions would not work. No, they will not work OVERNIGHT, but 90% of me feels like if we peacefully protest and patiently educate ppl about their options in the event of an unplanned, untimely pregnancy then “We shall overcome.” (Sound familiar? Human rights are human rights.)

I appreciate the OP’s optimism.

Tracy
 
Milesius said:
Only one is worth anything, if a woman doesn’t want to be a mother she is going to have an abortion if she get pregnant, and only one stops that from happening, put all your effort on that one if you want to end abortion, all the others are jsut stop gaps that will have very little impact.
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Sounds like " they are going to do it anyway " That is a flawed principle, and epic fail. We don’t give weapons to criminals on account of " they will commit crimes anyway." We need to convince women and girls, through offering many alternatives, and lots of help, not to have abortions, or to have sex in the first place, until prepared ( married, mainly ) If an unexpected pregnancy occurs, against the mother’s will, then support and aid, given if the abortion option is voluntarily disallowed, should be given to change a mind, and safe a life.
 
Accomodation taking the place of prevention or of love that demands personal responsibiltiy, instead of " personal choice " is the same as idiot compassion. I am sure others know what I mean. An example of idiot compassion would be helping a woman or girl to have their baby killed in the womb, instead of actually helping them make the right decision, and helping both them and their baby to both live and succeed. " pro-choice", in addition to being fatal to unborn babies, is idiotic compassion towards mothers.
 
Lutheranteach said:
sex and/or love. Can’t start it like a truck, can’t stop it with a gun. Nice suggestions nearly none of which will make any significant difference.
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Same thing the Jews of His day said about Jesus!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
rwoehmke said:
The reality is that when you do not want IT****, being pregnant for nine months is very inconvenient. It is sad, but true.:sad_bye:
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I understand what you’re saying, but desire for the child is peripheral.
The fact is that once conceived, the child is there, it’s existence is a fact.
If the woman who conceived it is in no condition, physically or mentally to care for the child, then I think there should be real social pressure on said person to relinquish for adoption.
There are many parents out there who are capable and willing to raise adopted children.
Adoption isn’t just a viable alternative, it’s a good one.
It makes sense.
And though it involves loss, I do not think it is a bad decision at all.
Above all, the life and well-being of the child are indeed preserved.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
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I will also say that lots of people ignore the obvious. Um, if teenagers (for example) with raging hormones have no opportunity to get together intimately, pregnancy doesn’t occur. (Hmmm, what a coincidence.) My dates in high school were extremely limited. In fact my social opportunities with boys were practically nil because I attended a girls’ Catholic high school where there were no boys for miles. And I mean miles. Ditto for my own girls. Further, the culture in our own family was that you had three activities you could engage in nightly: (1) education (2) education (3) education. I, as a teenager, and my children, later, were busy working our buns off in school. When we weren’t burning the midnight oil studying, we were extremely busy at serious extracurriculars which were not opportunties for socializing with oversexed boys, but opportunities for achieving. When families re-order their priorities, the problems of growing up too fast just go away.
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You too Elizabeth? 🙂 What happened to those families anyway? I grew up the same way you did: all-girl Catholic school, closed campus, driven there, driven back home. Any after school activities (like volleyball) had to be monitored by an adult. No opportunities to get one’s self into trouble with boys — or anything else for that matter. I was the only one (that I know of) who was so closely ‘monitored’ or ‘restricted’. I wasn’t allowed to date until I was 19, and you better believe I didn’t. I just didn’t have the opportunity. It was all about school and morality. And you know what? I didn’t mind one bit. I still don’t mind. By the time I was ready to date, I knew better. And if I ever have children, they will be raised the same.

If one wants abortion and teen pregnancy and teen sex to stop, then make it happen. Eliminate the opportunity and teach children that they deserve better for themselves.
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Nowadays (I work in education), parents seem to feel they need permission to be parents. :rolleyes: They seem not to understand that they’re in charge, and get to say No. Instead, they tell me that they “need permission” from their children to set up rules, boundaries, and to enforce consequences. (Seriously. I am not making this up.) The idea, in many households, that you can monitor or restrict or reduce social opportunities is something that doesn’t occur to them. Such parents say that they “couldn’t do that” to their children. I wonder if they ever said their children couldn’t play in traffic, or if they were worried about the children’s reaction to that prohibition as well.
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I see that too sometimes. I don’t get it and it makes me want to scream. But usually those parents don’t have the same moral upbringing that you and I have. They’re afraid to restrict teenage activity because theirs was not restricted. But you know, you’re talking about ensuring your child is safe from preteen and teenage exploration and rebellion, but I know moms who know their kids need psych intervention, but are scared to ‘violate their rights’ by making them go to a doctor or take their medication, or to speak with the doctor about mom’s perspective over the kid’s perspective of events. I ask these people if it has occured to them that their child is not psychologically able to make these deicisions, and they nod and think about it…and do nothing. I don’t get that. Where I came from families took care of each other. But I feel they are afraid to be parents in every way. They want to be their child’s friend more than their parent.

And don’t get me wrong, my mom and I were BEST friends while I grew up, and she’s still my best friend. But she still established boundaries, and I could not cross them as a pre-teen and teenager, and even as a young adult.

The REAL way to end abortion is to make people not want to have them, and that starts at home at an early age by teaching them basic morality.
 
Its really sad that people would kill what is established as a unique human, rather than seeking help for only 9 months, so that a human can have a lifetime to experience, and the mother would still have all the time after birth to experience. Adoption is always a choice, if you can’t care for the baby after birth. 9 or less months of " inconvenience " is worth giving a baby a chance to live, and a hope for empty arms longing to be mothers and fathers through adoption.
 
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