This is the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity. What exactly is "Christian Unity"?

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What is the purpose of this week?

What is the objective of our prayers?

What exactly is “Christian Unity”?

How will we know when we have achieved “Christian Unity”?
 
What is the purpose of this week?

What is the objective of our prayers?

What exactly is “Christian Unity”?

How will we know when we have achieved “Christian Unity”?
For me, Christian unity is twofold.
We are untied by our Trinitarian in which we become part of the body of Christ.
Second would be the visable unity that we should all pray and strive for. It seems to me we will know we have achieved unity, at least in this world, when we can share the Holy Eucharist at the same altar - yours or mine.
The objective of our prayers should be to bring that day to us quickly.

Jon
 
I don’t know exactly what this week is about, but I do know what the intention of the votive Mass for Christian unity (found in both the older and newer forms of the Roman Missal) is: it is that our separated brethren may return to full communion with the holy Catholic Church.
 
Lord, I pray that our mutual faith in the Holy Trinity is not UNTIED.:o :rolleyes:
Jesus prayed that we all may be one. As ahs been pointed out, the Church has long prayed that this be complete unity: one flock, one shepherd.
I think reuniting the Orthodox and Western Churches, along with the dissident Catholics of far too many stripes, would be a great step in the right direction.
 
My understanding of the sources of unity are in the same Eucharist and the Papacy.
 
I don’t think it is enough to pray or whatever for just *Christian *unity. Even if that happens, we still have all non-Christians and us all sharing the world. This is a very crucial time for the world and all of us on it, and we can’t dismiss our responsibility of stewardship. Yet it seems that no one is on the same page, including people within the same church.

What I am wondering is this: We can agree easily that gravity works. We know the laws of thermodynamics. Math works for everyone. Cars can work, whoever builds them. Water, everywhere, is wet, and everyone is refreshed by it, and recognizes that giving someone water is good. Things eveywhere work by universal principles. But as soon as we try to explain any of this on a religious basis, ours or anyone else’s, it all goes to hell as far as agreement on a global basis.

So, it seems to me that there must be something that is before religion that can be agreed upon. I mean babies from different cultures don’t argue with each other about stuff. They need milk and love, etc, but they all work the same way. They start working differently as they are taught things as they grow up. Then fights break out over differences. I mean it is like putting different software into a vast number of computers that work on the same operating system. They don’t get along, and it masks the operating system which in fact is what is common.

So what is our operating system before religion that we can all agee on and get to work with on this mess? Then we can be Christian or Muslim or Shinto or Pocomaniac or Cargo Cult or whatever, if we want to, but we could get on with business.
 
was this an agreed upon week by all christian groups as a week of prayer or just for catholics to pray for other groups.

im figuring the latter cause i cant see other groups wanting unity.
 
was this an agreed upon week by all christian groups as a week of prayer or just for catholics to pray for other groups.

im figuring the latter cause i cant see other groups wanting unity.
Ever heard of the world council of churches? A fellowship of 340 churches striving for unity? Of course there are Protestant churches striving for unity.

Here’s some info on the week of prayer for christian unity:
bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/prayer/christianunity.shtml
 
Christian unity is about prayers for peace and charitable dialogues among baptised Christians so that through the spirit of true ecumenism we would be able to call our separated brethrens back to Catholic unity.

How?
By… having peace and being tolerant of one another’s beliefs (dunno:confused:)? That’s how I see it going, so far… 🤷

When?
Christian unity is possible in that sense BUT still remotely in the Catholic (unity) sense- one Faith, one Lord, one Baptism or…

One Christian baptism, one Lord Jesus Christ, one Catholic Faith as professed in the creed (not the universal-meaning sense but in believing all what the Church teaches beyond personal faith) as one fold.
 
Christian unity, as I see it, means that all Christians will speak the Gospel with one voice and that all will be able to gather around the table to celebrate the Eucharist. While I hope and pray for the day when that happens, I suspect it may only come with the parousia.

I belong to a Lutheran ministerium, the Society of the Holy Trinity, which includes in its rule the following:
…this ministerium is dedicated to the Lutheran vocation of reform of the Church and the Lutheran ecumenical destiny of reconciliation with the bishop and church of Rome.
That’s quite a challenge in our world although I am heartened as ecumenical discussions between Lutherans and Catholics continue to take place.
 
Christian unity, as I see it, means that all Christians will speak the Gospel with one voice and that all will be able to gather around the table to celebrate the Eucharist. While I hope and pray for the day when that happens, I suspect it may only come with the parousia.

I belong to a Lutheran ministerium, the Society of the Holy Trinity, which includes in its rule the following:

That’s quite a challenge in our world although I am heartened as ecumenical discussions between Lutherans and Catholics continue to take place.
With all respect, what is the hold up in reunification? Five hundred years later, what are Lutherans still protesting? :confused:
 
With all respect, what is the hold up in reunification? Five hundred years later, what are Lutherans still protesting? :confused:
I don’t think it is a “protesting”, as much as a need to come to common understandings on the issues that divide. We have made much progress in the last 40 years, but there is still more to do.
One thing I hope is true: the days of the old polemics and condemnations are behind us, giving way to a new respect, love, charity and understanding. Only if this is true will we be receptive to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Jon
 
This may be a bit on the philosophical or contemplative side, but I’m going to wade in with it because unity of any sort has been a conundrum to me. In any area we look at, there is, for the most part, some sort of dis-unity, be that area civil, scholasitc, sport, religious, whatever. In this consideration we also have the ideas of degree and kind.

As far as the Week of Prayer is concerned, “Christian” is a modifier of “Unity.” So here, largely, we are talking about a kind, looking for a resolution in varieties of that kind, and to some extent, degree.

I would guess that we mostly concur on what is good. It is good to act as Love. It is good to Love thy neighbor as thyself. It is good to do or not do what one would do or not do for or to oneself. Etc.

It is also good, I think we would agree, to adhere to the rules, eg Commandments and Beatitudes. It is also usually a matter of common observation, regardless of our faith, that this or that person is “good.”

Where the distinctions and disagreements seem to come, as far as I can tell, is in what a person is good according to, and how valid or true that “to” is in the eyes of others.

The evaluation of that “to” seems to come from one’s own “to,” usually a set of beliefs we necessarily aquired as we grew up. This had to be, because each one grows up in a particular circumstance as circumscribed by parents, home, and various psychological, linguistic, economic, geographic, physical, etc factors.

So these are contextual and bear on what we aquire as our world view. We could call this aquisition “content,” as we would agree, I think, that any baby put anywhere generaly would aquire the aproximate set of values of the culture it grows up in. That is to say only that we do not have Chinese babies spontanously speaking English, nor Swedish infants putting forth in Swahili. Ferel children do not put forth in any sort of language, further showing the aquisative nature of knowledge. That goes to some extenet for goodness also, as that requires perception over a comparatively wide range of awareness, some individuals in society not acheiving even that. And process of aquisition goes for other traits as well, all of which may be modified through growth and experience.

So there is no reasonable cause overall for assigning blame to most practitioners of non-Catholic ways. Indeed, this distributes over Catholics as well, a large portion of us being “cradle” Catholics. Nor is there reason to doubt the sincerity of non-Catholic practitioners, or of Catholic practitioners.

But few of us, comparatively, aquired our religion by choice, even if we think we did by the time we were Confirmed. There is such a thing as psychological momentum. Further, precious few of us have actually done the deep study required to understand some other religion, especially non-christianist religions, from the inside. Neither have we, generally, done the deep study required to see within ourselves how we aquire and sustain any belief. Indeed, for some who have done that, it is clear that most of our considerations in the area are childishly superficial.

So, what does Unity look like? Is it on the grounds of common humanity where it is perfectly clear, such as in a disaster, where we spontaneously help each other to survive, perhaps even to later prosper? We likely would not ask the person pulling us out of a burning building if it was a Shintoist sponsored pulling, Pocomaniac pulling, Cargo Cult pulling, or a Christian pulling. We would be on a far more basic ground just happy we were pulled.

But our arguments that propose that we need Christian Unity are on the grounds of intellectually and, mostly one might easily judge, emotionally associated content. That means religion is a mental structure that we somehow aquired and attached our sense of self to, distinct from what we aready are as our Nature.

At once I would expect the arguement to arise that “But that is exctly the point of religion, to redeem that nature.” But I submit that as wonderful as it is, our religion, whatever we claim for it as its source and authenticity, is not *of itself *sufficient to convince and attract the kind of adherence that would foster even Christian Unity, let alone the Unity of Mankind. Being that it is aquired content, requiring for the most part several catagories of proof to those not raised in or converted to it, it is inadaquate of itself to accomplish the task from within. One could argue that we have had at least 2000 years to do that. And yet, really, we have but a few score years and ten, if that, in the case of any individual. Yet, world wide, how many Catholics do we have, and even those are arguing amongst themselves, again based on content.

I not only submit that it will take something far more fundamental than religious affilitation to acheive Unity, but that Unity based on a proposed identitiy of the contents of faith is unacheivable, and the search for it must go to some other ground for fulfillment.

Any commments?
 
I don’t think it is enough to pray or whatever for just *Christian *unity. Even if that happens, we still have all non-Christians and us all sharing the world. This is a very crucial time for the world and all of us on it, and we can’t dismiss our responsibility of stewardship. Yet it seems that no one is on the same page, including people within the same church.

What I am wondering is this: We can agree easily that gravity works. We know the laws of thermodynamics. Math works for everyone. Cars can work, whoever builds them. Water, everywhere, is wet, and everyone is refreshed by it, and recognizes that giving someone water is good. Things eveywhere work by universal principles. But as soon as we try to explain any of this on a religious basis, ours or anyone else’s, it all goes to hell as far as agreement on a global basis.
Unity isn’t the same thing as agreement on an issue. Of course there are points of agreement bewteen any two people. But no one is trying to refuse anyone a share of the world nor is there any religious conflict on a major scale over automotive or mathematical mechanisms. Unity in this context refers to religious unity, which is agreement that we have one religion together and should stress this similarity as more important in the context of religion than all the differences. An analogy might be unity among Impressionist painters. Some pointillists might deny being in the same school of painting as Impressionists, but others might feel they are also Impressionists. Of course most in both groups would believe they should steward resources, but they are trying right now to hammer out what makes them Impressionists together. No one is looking for a way out of sharing the earth with anyone that I know of.
So, it seems to me that there must be something that is before religion that can be agreed upon. I mean babies from different cultures don’t argue with each other about stuff. They need milk and love, etc, but they all work the same way. They start working differently as they are taught things as they grow up. Then fights break out over differences. I mean it is like putting different software into a vast number of computers that work on the same operating system. They don’t get along, and it masks the operating system which in fact is what is common.
So what is our operating system before religion that we can all agee on and get to work with on this mess? Then we can be Christian or Muslim or Shinto or Pocomaniac or Cargo Cult or whatever, if we want to, but we could get on with business.
We feel we’ve done that and now it’s time to be more specific. Thinking about one subject doesn’t interfere with another subject.
 
What is the purpose of this week?

What is the objective of our prayers?

What exactly is “Christian Unity”?

How will we know when we have achieved “Christian Unity”?
The model for unity is very high bar for humans to clear. Christ asked that we be one as He and the Father are one. Christ and the Father have no differences on things like doctrine and Sacraments. So, isn’t this what Christ asks of us? Christ also left us a means for unity in building His Church, with one set of doctrine and one set of Sacraments for all His family.
 
What is the purpose of this week?

What is the objective of our prayers?

What exactly is “Christian Unity”?

How will we know when we have achieved “Christian Unity”?
**John 17:20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

John 13:34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." **

God bless all!!!
 
Re post 16: sounds like a good argument for the little understood and insufficiently explained way of Monism to me. Thank you.
 
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