This is what I don't understand about Catholics

[Techno2000]

The black box is called the Ka’aba. According to Islamic tradition, the Ka’aba used to be a mosque that our father Abraham [peace be upon him] built. It was rebuilt in the time of Muhammad [peace be upon him]. When pilgrims walk around the Ka’aba, we are remembering the fact that everything centers around Allah. We’re taught to offer our full devotion to Allah, so that means obedience to Him in every area of life.

Abraham built a mosque ?

 

[MartinJordan]

I find Eucharistic worship/adoration to be weird. In Islam, we don’t have anything tangible; Allah is never physically present among us.

It is never weird when one can realizes God is ALL Loving. He can do anything he wants and what he wants is to be, always Praised, Adored, Glorified and Thanked by his greatest Creation. Man. God continually calls us, and he is like no other. God is Love. So, if we Love Him we must come to Him.

“Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is Heaven”

Amen.

MJ

 

[jane_doe]

It is never weird when one can realizes God is ALL Loving. He can do anything he wants and what he wants is to be, always Praised, Adored, Glorified and Thanked by his greatest Creation. Man. God continually calls us, and he is like no other. God is Love. So, if we Love Him we must come to Him.

“Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is Heaven”

Amen.

MJ

Yes, but the belief that deity is more present in this edible item than anywhere else strikes many as odd. (Just sharing the outsider perspective).

 

[Reuben_J]

It can be pretty weird as you enter a church’s entrance, you’d knowingly looking for some water container and poke your fingers in something that remotely looks like one. Then later genuflecting as you ease yourself into the pew to get a good seat, probably a strategic one, depending on your preference. And once decided, you will most probably sit on the same spot everytime.

It can be habit forming though. Quite embarrassing if you enter a wrong building, like a cinema . … .

 

[Sy_Noe]

I doubt that all Catholics do that but some probably do. The claim to be the church founded and commissioned by Christ to spread the Gospel is not just based on faith however. Catholics point to apostolic succession from Saint Peter to Pope Francis. It was the only Christian denomination for several hundred years and most Protestant don’t dispute this and accept at least the first three Ecumenical Councils as valid. They couldn’t do that without recognizing at least the beginning of Apostolic succession. During the reformation there were a lot of abuses in the Church but this was nothing new. Saint Peter and Saint Paul dealt with all kinds of problems and several of the epistles were letters written to deal with abuses of church members. The Catholic Church has many sinners, but that shouldn’t surprise anyone since that is who Christ came to call. They don’t magically cease to be sinners by joining the Church. Holiness can be and often is a lifetime struggle. Christ knew there would be problems and told us that there would be wolves in the sheepfold. St. Peter and Paul set out rules to deal with troublemakers. Sure there were and are problems. The Faith is perfect, the “faithful” are not! But nowhere in Scripture were we told that if things get really difficult in the Church that we should go off and start our own new church.

Just something I failed to ask earlier in regard to your view that the Catholic Church was the only one. Would the Orthodox agree? I know less about the Orthodox Church than I do the Roman Church or than I do about some of the other Christian communities.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Also of course others claim apostolic succession besides the Roman church. I believe the Orthodox do as well as Anglicans. I do know the Roman faith does not accept the Anglican claim of apostolic succession. I don’t know what it thinks about the Orthodox claim.

 

[twf]

Yes, but the belief that deity is more present in this edible item than anywhere else strikes many as odd. (Just sharing the outsider perspective).

He wishes to feed us with Himself…it is through the Eucharist that our participation in the divine nature, our mystical union with Our Lord, is realized and renewed in this life. Luke 24:31a, 35
And their eyes were opened, and they knew him: and he vanished out of their sight.
And they told what things were done in the way; and how they knew him in the breaking of the bread.
The Lord vanished from their sight, but He remained with them in the “breaking of the bread”.

Of course the saints in heaven behold Him in His physical, glorified body at the right hand of the Father, as we shall as well one day (by His grace). The Eucharist is a mystery, and a stumbling block…Scripture itself tells us that. When Jesus taught His disciples that His flesh was “food” and His blood was “drink”, St. John tells us that many of His followers were scandalized and left Him…Jesus even asked the 12 if they would leave Him over this difficult mystery - John 6:67-67:
After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.
Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?

It all depends on your perspective. For a Muslim, the very idea of the incarnation - God in the flesh, God made man - is a great difficult and a scandal.

 

[ThundersnowIV]

Also of course others claim apostolic succession besides the Roman church. I believe the Orthodox do as well as Anglicans. I do know the Roman faith does not accept the Anglican claim of apostolic succession. I don’t know what it thinks about the Orthodox claim.

Since the Catholic and Orthodox spit during a particular time…they had apostolic succession. The idea of apostolic succession applies to both. And it is acknowledged.

 

[alwayswill]

Dear friend in Christ

What is it you don’t understand [and perhaps find “weird”] about us Catholics?

GBY

Patrick

Why do Catholic posters make a big deal about the importance of infallibility and yet cannot agree on what teachings are actually infallible?

 

[PJM]

Understand: I think I’ve come pretty far along in that category. When I do have questions, I just ask them on the spot.

Weird: “weird” is just a word saying that something is different than what you are used to. Once you get over the idea that everyone is not like you, “weird” goes away.

Thanks

GBY

 

[PJM]

reading blogs for spirituality.
People would do well to take a course, sit in on a scripture study or get a spiritual director. Much safer.

agreed

 

[PJM]

I find Eucharistic worship/adoration to be weird. In Islam, we don’t have anything tangible; Allah is never physically present among us.

Yes, but we Catholics Do have Jesus actually; “Really, Truly” Present in our Midst. Amen!

GBY

 

[PJM]

I don’t understand why Catholics go around acting like they know the truth with such certainty and that their church is the one and only. Not when it takes faith to believe that. You can feed someone all the interpretations of the ECFs and so on. But without faith in them, there is no “certainty”.

The answer to your first question is The TRUTH which can only be singular per defined issue; hence there is but:

One True God [Isaiah 45:22]

Who can and does Have just One TRUE set of faith beliefs [Eph 4: 1-8]

& desired, founded and protects JUST the one Church He established [Mt 16:18]

And friend, you would be prudently advised to READ Hebrews 6:4-8; IF you would like an assist in translating this please send me a private message

GBY

Patrick

 

[PJM]

My wife has remarked that she finds it strange that everybody is so quiet before mass. It’s like a noisy social gathering as everybody piles into her church so she just considers that to be “normal” and Catholic reverent silence to be “strange”. Striking our breast during “mea culpa” got her chuckling once or twice. Yes, we Catholics are a bit weird but I love all our little quirks.

And THAT is because we have Jesus; Really, Truly and Substantially in our very Midst.

Despite this fact it is not unusual to find a lot of taking before Mass even when the tabernacle is present in the main body of the Church

GBY

 

[PJM]

I don’t understand why millions of people are circling around a black box can you please explain.

PERHAPS if you explain what you mean by a “black box”?

GBY

 

[PJM]

I doubt that all Catholics do that but some probably do. The claim to be the church founded and commissioned by Christ to spread the Gospel is not just based on faith however. Catholics point to apostolic succession from Saint Peter to Pope Francis. It was the only Christian denomination for several hundred years and most Protestant don’t dispute this and accept at least the first three Ecumenical Councils as valid. They couldn’t do that without recognizing at least the beginning of Apostolic succession. During the reformation there were a lot of abuses in the Church but this was nothing new. Saint Peter and Saint Paul dealt with all kinds of problems and several of the epistles were letters written to deal with abuses of church members. The Catholic Church has many sinners, but that shouldn’t surprise anyone since that is who Christ came to call. They don’t magically cease to be sinners by joining the Church. Holiness can be and often is a lifetime struggle. Christ knew there would be problems and told us that there would be wolves in the sheepfold. St. Peter and Paul set out rules to deal with troublemakers. Sure there were and are problems. The Faith is perfect, the “faithful” are not! But nowhere in Scripture were we told that if things get really difficult in the Church that we should go off and start our own new church.

Good reply:thumbsup:

Thanks and GBY

 

[PJM]

Just something I failed to ask earlier in regard to your view that the Catholic Church was the only one. Would the Orthodox agree? I know less about the Orthodox Church than I do the Roman Church or than I do about some of the other Christian communities.

I would point out that they MAY not And they would be in error in doing do.

Peter was not part of the Orthodox Church [Mt 16:18] “MY Church”; then read carefully
John 17: 13-20 [take not of the singular tense words Christ choose to use]

Then Mt 28: 18-20, again noting the singular tense words chosen by Jesus.,

Further the Orthodox separated from the RCC, NOT the other way around

GBY

Patrick

 

[PJM]

he wishes to feed us with himself…it is through the eucharist that our participation in the divine nature, our mystical union with our lord, is realized and renewed in this life. Luke 24:31a, 35
and their eyes were opened, and they knew him: And he vanished out of their sight.
And they told what things were done in the way; and how they knew him in the breaking of the bread.
the lord vanished from their sight, but he remained with them in the “breaking of the bread”.

Of course the saints in heaven behold him in his physical, glorified body at the right hand of the father, as we shall as well one day (by his grace). The eucharist is a mystery, and a stumbling block…scripture itself tells us that. When jesus taught his disciples that his flesh was “food” and his blood was “drink”, st. John tells us that many of his followers were scandalized and left him…jesus even asked the 12 if they would leave him over this difficult mystery - john 6:67-67:
after this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.
Then jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?

it all depends on your perspective. For a muslim, the very idea of the incarnation - god in the flesh, god made man - is a great difficult and a scandal.

thank you!

Gby

 

[PJM]

Why do Catholic posters make a big deal about the importance of infallibility and yet cannot agree on what teachings are actually infallible?

Sorry:blush:

I can’t speak for them:shrug:

What specifically do you wish to know as whether or not it’s an Infallible teaching? MAYBE I can help.

GOOD point!

GBY

 

[paperwight66]

I find Eucharistic worship/adoration to be weird. In Islam, we don’t have anything tangible; Allah is never physically present among us.

This might help.

We don’t believe that the Real Presence means that Jesus is physically present in the usual sense. What we call the ‘accidents’ of the bread or wafer still exist - its taste, the space it takes up, its colour, smell etc. and these accidents are physical. This means that they are subject to change and decay as all physical things are, and also can’t be in more than one place at once. If a church is on fire and the Tabernacle is burnt, or if flooded, and the Tabernacle inundated, we don’t believe that God is burnt or drowned, as that would be a nonsense.

So no, God isn’t physically among us in the usual sense. What IS among us, is the presence of Jesus in a new and wonderful way, often summed up as Really, truly and substantially’. Underneath the ‘accidents’ Jesus is present, with these accidents, as it were, resting on Him.

Does that help at all?