This is what I don't understand about Catholics

[exnihilo]

I think that most non-Catholics proclaim they belong to the one true church and their denomination is a part of it.

I think that is correct. Of course this is a more modern position. In the past most non-Catholics were adamant that they had the exclusive truth. But even the modern position is a positive claim that they are part of the one true Church. That other groups may be in it also doesn’t change the fact they are laying claim to some authority to so define the Church or what it means to be Christian.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

I don’t understand how Roman Catholics can believe that papal infallibility is a divinely-given charism essential to the proper functioning of the Church, and at the same time be generally uninterested in which papal statements are exercises of this charism and which are not.

 

[PJM]

There are non Catholics who regard all Christians as members of Christ’s church. Unlike Catholics, they don’t go around proclaiming that their particular faith community or denomination is the only one true church.

So My Friend

Perhaps you can explain then how GOD [defined as all good things perfected] can, does, or has

1. desired more than one Church [knowing that no “church” can be separated from its faith-beliefs; which is why their are so many different churches]
2. How even GOD can hold differing sets of faith beliefs [even contradictory ones] on defined issues and teachings
3. And where God even one time approved, accepted, tolerated, or even overlooked other competing church/faiths; either historically or biblically

Unless you can supply evidence for GOD accepting or desiring more than a single set of Faith believes; you then have the answer WHY, we Catholics profess what we do

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[PJM]

I think that is correct. Of course this is a more modern position. In the past most non-Catholics were adamant that they had the exclusive truth. But even the modern position is a positive claim that they are part of the one true Church. That other groups may be in it also doesn’t change the fact they are laying claim to some authority to so define the Church or what it means to be Christian.

SO, for the sake of clarity and TRUTH

IF, if, a church is identified by its faith believes *, as no church can be separated from ITS own determined set of faith beliefs, which is WHY their are such a multitude of DIFFERING churches.

If one assume that because their is a common Baptism and a like minded belief in Christ as being sufficient for such an understanding; I respectfully disagree:shrug:

"To “KNOW” Christ is not the same as to know “OF” Christ.

To actually know Christ requires humble submission to His Divine Will and ALL that he teaches. This is a very biblical understanding of what it actually means to “Know Christ”

Therefore, because other faiths hold to differing sets of beliefs they factually are in competition with Christ One true Church. AMEN

God Bless you

Patrick*

 

[PJM]

From the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue Between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church:

“Orthodox participants felt it important to emphasize that the use of the terms “the Church”, “the universal Church”, “the indivisible Church” and “the Body of Christ” in this document and in similar documents produced by the Joint Commission in no way undermines the self-understanding of the Orthodox Church as the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church, of which the Nicene Creed speaks.”

(I believe this statement bothers Catholics quite a lot … though I’m not sure whether we should get into the reasons why.)

Which is personal opinion unsupportable by historical and biblical facts.

Both historically [the Great Eastern Schism] and Biblically

Mt 16:18-19 singular tense words

John 17: 17-20 singular tense words

Mt 28:18-20 singular tense words

I pray that some day we will truly be united in a SINGLE set of faith beliefs. Amen

GBY

 

[Randy_Carson]

I find Eucharistic worship/adoration to be weird. In Islam, we don’t have anything tangible; Allah is never physically present among us.

I’m sorry that is the case.

Let me ask: Is there anything preventing Allah from being physically present among His people if He should desire it?

 

[rcwitness]

I find Eucharistic worship/adoration to be weird. In Islam, we don’t have anything tangible; Allah is never physically present among us.

I did miss this post somehow, sorry!

The principal of the Gospel is Emmanuel (God with us).

John 1:14

AndtheWordbecamefleshand dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as oftheonly Son fromthe*Father.

This is also a major reason for Communion in His flesh.

 

[Sy_Noe]

So My Friend

Perhaps you can explain then how GOD [defined as all good things perfected] can, does, or has

1. desired more than one Church [knowing that no “church” can be separated from its faith-beliefs; which is why their are so many different churches]
2. How even GOD can hold differing sets of faith beliefs [even contradictory ones] on defined issues and teachings
3. And where God even one time approved, accepted, tolerated, or even overlooked other competing church/faiths; either historically or biblically

Unless you can supply evidence for GOD accepting or desiring more than a single set of Faith believes; you then have the answer WHY, we Catholics profess what we do

God Bless you

Patrick

There’s nothing to explain. Your faith is Catholic. You have faith in God. In the NT. In its human writers. In the ECFs and the Catholic Church’s interpretations. Without such faith, you have no case. I don’t understand why Catholics are so fearful to say or admit that it is only because of their faith that they believe they know truth.

 

[Peter_J]

I don’t understand why Catholics are so fearful to say or admit that it is only because of their faith that they believe they know truth.

Haven’t read what you’re responding to, but I’d say that it’s because of faith but not only because of faith.

 

[PJM]

There’s nothing to explain. Your faith is Catholic. You have faith in God. In the NT. In its human writers. In the ECFs and the Catholic Church’s interpretations. Without such faith, you have no case. I don’t understand why Catholics are so fearful to say or admit that it is only because of their faith that they believe they know truth.

BECAUSE IT’S NOT

IT’S BOTH BIBLCALLY AND HISTORICALLY PROVABLE AS THE ONE TRUE AND DESIRED FAITH AND CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

I CAN SHARE THE DETAILS IF YOU SO DESIRE?

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[Expatreprocedit]

I don’t understand how Roman Catholics can believe that papal infallibility is a divinely-given charism essential to the proper functioning of the Church, and at the same time be generally uninterested in which papal statements are exercises of this charism and which are not.

Sorry, I realize now my question was a repeat. Still a good question, IMO.

 

[Sy_Noe]

BECAUSE IT’S NOT

IT’S BOTH BIBLCALLY AND HISTORICALLY PROVABLE AS THE ONE TRUE AND DESIRED FAITH AND CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

I CAN SHARE THE DETAILS IF YOU SO DESIRE?

God Bless you

Patrick

Nothing you can share will prove a thing to me. Because faith is not provable. It’s only provable to you because you have faith in the NT writings and faith that humans got everything right and faith the CC has never strayed and faith in the CC’s interpretations. I’ve heard it all before but I lack some of the faith you do. God’s blessings to you as the season of Advent comes to a close. Merry Christmas! Peace.

 

[PJM]

Nothing you can share will prove a thing to me. Because faith is not provable. It’s only provable to you because you have faith in the NT writings and faith that humans got everything right and faith the CC has never strayed and faith in the CC’s interpretations. I’ve heard it all before but I lack some of the faith you do. God’s blessings to you as the season of Advent comes to a close. Merry Christmas! Peace.

OK and thanks fr sharing that

May GOD guide and lead you to where HE desires you to be. Amen!

BUT just for the record:

2nd Timothy 3: 16-17 WITH an explanation:thumbsup:

[16] All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

[16] All scripture,: Every part of divine scripture is certainly profitable for all these ends. But, if we would have the whole rule of Christian faith and practice, we must not be content with those Scriptures, which Timothy knew from his infancy, that is, with the Old Testament alone: nor yet with the New Testament, without taking along with it the traditions of the apostles, and the interpretation of the church, to which the apostles delivered both the book, and the true meaning of it.

God Bless you & Merry Christmas to you and your’s as well

Patrick