this is what we teach on the family what do you teach

[paul_barlow]

The Family:
A Proclamation to the World
The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

WE, THE FIRST PRESIDENCY and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

ALL HUMAN BEINGS—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

IN THE PREMORTAL REALM, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

THE FIRST COMMANDMENT that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

WE DECLARE the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

HUSBAND AND WIFE have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3 [Ps. 127:3]). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

THE FAMILY is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

WE CALL UPON responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.

this is what we believe about the family. whats your churches teaching on the family.

 

[tkdnick]

paul barlow:

WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God.

Does this (and some info from preceeding sections) mean that your church does not believe that there are those called to a single life?

 

[Mom_of_5]

LDS proclaim, according to McConkie, that the “most important part of being LDS is to be married to the right person, in the right place for all time and eternity”. It is taught that unless you are married in the temple, you cannot attain celestial heaven. So, no, single life is not considered virtuous for the LDS. Couples are sealed in the temple, families sealed to parents. It is believed that all this sealing is important to keep the family together in the spirit world. My SIL is very upset that her husband is non-practicing LDS and none of the children go to LDS church. That would keep her from going to celestial heaven unless she is sealed to a man who is active in the church, and her family won’t be together in the spirit world. She related her fears to me on our last visit. Since I cannot relate to this belief, I had no way of comforting her.

Love and peace

Mom of 5

 

[majick275]

Is there a reason why this has not been placed in the “standard works” like the official declarations?

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Hello Paul;

Here’s some of what the Church teaches on family from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

**I. THE FAMILY IN GOD’S PLAN

The nature of the family **

2201 The conjugal community is established upon the consent of the spouses. Marriage and the family are ordered to the good of the spouses and to the procreation and education of children. The love of the spouses and the begetting of children create among members of the same family personal relationships and primordial responsibilities.

2202 A man and a woman united in marriage, together with their children, form a family. This institution is prior to any recognition by public authority, which has an obligation to recognize it. It should be considered the normal reference point by which the different forms of family relationship are to be evaluated.

2203 In creating man and woman, God instituted the human family and endowed it with its fundamental constitution. Its members are persons equal in dignity. For the common good of its members and of society, the family necessarily has manifold responsibilities, rights, and duties.

*** The Christian family **

2204 "The Christian family constitutes a specific revelation and realization of ecclesial communion, and for this reason it can and should be called a domestic church."9 It is a community of faith, hope, and charity; it assumes singular importance in the Church, as is evident in the New Testament.10

2205 The Christian family is a communion of persons, a sign and image of the communion of the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit. In the procreation and education of children it reflects the Father’s work of creation. It is called to partake of the prayer and sacrifice of Christ. Daily prayer and the reading of the Word of God strengthen it in charity. The Christian family has an evangelizing and missionary task.

2206 The relationships within the family bring an affinity of feelings, affections and interests, arising above all from the members’ respect for one another. The family is a privileged community called to achieve a "sharing of thought and common deliberation by the spouses as well as their eager cooperation as parents in the children’s upbringing."11

(Continued on next post.)

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Continued from prior post

II. THE FAMILY AND SOCIETY

2207 The family is the original cell of social life. It is the natural society in which husband and wife are called to give themselves in love and in the gift of life. Authority, stability, and a life of relationships within the family constitute the foundations for freedom, security, and fraternity within society. The family is the community in which, from childhood, one can learn moral values, begin to honor God, and make good use of freedom. Family life is an initiation into life in society.

2208 The family should live in such a way that its members learn to care and take responsibility for the young, the old, the sick, the handicapped, and the poor. There are many families who are at times incapable of providing this help. It devolves then on other persons, other families, and, in a subsidiary way, society to provide for their needs: "Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained from the world."12

2209 The family must be helped and defended by appropriate social measures. Where families cannot fulfill their responsibilities, other social bodies have the duty of helping them and of supporting the institution of the family. Following the principle of subsidiarity, larger communities should take care not to usurp the family’s prerogatives or interfere in its life.

2210 The importance of the family for the life and well-being of society13 entails a particular responsibility for society to support and strengthen marriage and the family. Civil authority should consider it a grave duty "to acknowledge the true nature of marriage and the family, to protect and foster them, to safeguard public morality, and promote domestic prosperity."14

2211 The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially:

• the freedom to establish a family, have children, and bring them up in keeping with the family’s own moral and religious convictions;

• the protection of the stability of the marriage bond and the institution of the family;

• the freedom to profess one’s faith, to hand it on, and raise one’s children in it, with the necessary means and institutions;

• the right to private property, to free enterprise, to obtain work and housing, and the right to emigrate;

• in keeping with the country’s institutions, the right to medical care, assistance for the aged, and family benefits;

• the protection of security and health, especially with respect to dangers like drugs, pornography, alcoholism, etc.;

• the freedom to form associations with other families and so to have representation before civil authority.15

2212 The fourth commandment illuminates other relationships in society. In our brothers and sisters we see the children of our parents; in our cousins, the descendants of our ancestors; in our fellow citizens, the children of our country; in the baptized, the children of our mother the Church; in every human person, a son or daughter of the One who wants to be called “our Father.” In this way our relationships with our neighbors are recognized as personal in character. The neighbor is not a “unit” in the human collective; he is “someone” who by his known origins deserves particular attention and respect.

2213 Human communities are made up of persons. Governing them well is not limited to guaranteeing rights and fulfilling duties such as honoring contracts. Right relations between employers and employees, between those who govern and citizens, presuppose a natural good will in keeping with the dignity of human persons concerned for justice and fraternity.

9 FC 21; cf. LG 11.
10 Cf. Eph 5:21b: 4; Col 3:18-21; 1 Pet 3:1-7.
11 GS 52 § 1.
12 Jas 1:27.
13 Cf. GS 47 § 1.
14 GS 52 § 2.
15 Cf. FC 46.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

I think there are many similiarities but also many differences between the Catholic and the LDS perceptions of family. Where LDS theology seems to be centered on the perpetuation of the human family through eternity, Catholic theology sees all of humanity as potentially belonging to one family … the family of God. To that end, the family is important, but not quite as absolute as in the LDS theology. The CCC further notes…

IV. THE FAMILY AND THE KINGDOM

2232 Family ties are important but not absolute. Just as the child grows to maturity and human and spiritual autonomy, so his unique vocation which comes from God asserts itself more clearly and forcefully. Parents should respect this call and encourage their children to follow it. They must be convinced that the first vocation of the Christian is to follow Jesus: "He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."39

2233 Becoming a disciple of Jesus means accepting the invitation to belong to God’s family, to live in conformity with His way of life: "For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother."40

Parents should welcome and respect with joy and thanksgiving the Lord’s call to one of their children to follow him in virginity for the sake of the Kingdom in the consecrated life or in priestly ministry.

I think Catholics and LDS can form a strong political alliance where it comes to ensuring that the government of our nation takes a strong stance in favor of the protection of the institution of marriage. On that we can see eye to eye.

 

[paul_barlow]

thank you robert.

 

[paul_barlow]

majick275:

Is there a reason why this has not been placed in the “standard works” like the official declarations?

it will be eventually

 

[rmw82]

I’ll try to keep my response brief. However, please note that in order to be brief, I can’t necessarily spend too much space giving a defense of our beliefs.

Also, I had to shorten your quotes to make everything fit. Therefore, please refer back to the full quotation for proper context.
paul barlow:

The Family:
A Proclamation to the World
The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

WE, THE FIRST PRESIDENCY …

Marriage is ordained by God, but isn’t necessary for their eternal destiny. In fact, marriage is such a big deal for us, it is one of the seven sacrements and divorce is not allowed.
paul barlow:

ALL HUMAN BEINGS—male and female—are created in the image of God…
IN THE PREMORTAL REALM, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father…

Catholics don’t believe in a premortal existence. We believe that when husband and wife give themselves totally to each other in Love, that, though the power of God with the cooperation of the husband and wife, another life comes into existence. (I probably am not explaining that well).

We don’t believe that married couples need to go through any special ordinances to be united with their families for all eternity. It is Catholic doctrine that all saved men and women of God are united for all eternally in one family of God.

Families are truly forever in a Catholic’s eyes.
paul barlow:

THE FIRST COMMANDMENT that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force…

Catholic’s believe that a family should always be open to life, therefore the use of birth control during the sexual act is forbidden. (Side note: Most, if not all, Christian Churches used to teach birth control was wrong until recent history).
paul barlow:

WE DECLARE the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Catholics also affirm the sanctity of life to the point that we foribid abortion in ALL cases, Invitro treatments, embroyotic stem cell research, etc. etc.
paul barlow:

HUSBAND AND WIFE have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children… “QUOTE]

Sounds good to me.
paul barlow:

THE FAMILY is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. …

Again, we don’t believe that marriage is essential for his or her eternal destiny. Some have a vocation that involves being single and yet can be just as holy (if not more). Remember, Jesus and St. Paul were single (just to name a couple of examples).

Well, that’s my response, I suppose.

rmw82

 

[paul_barlow]

Robert in SD:

I think there are many similiarities but also many differences between the Catholic and the LDS perceptions of family. Where LDS theology seems to be centered on the perpetuation of the human family through eternity, Catholic theology sees all of humanity as potentially belonging to one family … the family of God. To that end, the family is important, but not quite as absolute as in the LDS theology. The CCC further notes…

I think Catholics and LDS can form a strong political alliance where it comes to ensuring that the government of our nation takes a strong stance in favor of the protection of the institution of marriage. On that we can see eye to eye.

well put can not agree more. when it comes to important things we must work together to support marrage ect.

 

[Mom_of_5]

tkdnick:

Does this (and some info from preceeding sections) mean that your church does not believe that there are those called to a single life?

In www.LDS.org, The first church requirement for a man to serve as LDS chaplain in the armed forces is to be married in the Temple …there is other information in that web sight that gives the LDS teachings. Very good place to learn about LDS faith. To another poster, LDS believe: that Jesus was married, God is married.

Love and peace

Mom of 5

 

[paul_barlow]

Mom of 5:

In www.LDS.org, LDS believe: that Jesus was married, God is married.

Love and peace

Mom of 5

sorry i have never herd that taught. may be some ones view but it is not the churches.

 

[majick275]

This was taught alot in the early Utah days. Brigham young detailed why this was so in the Journal of Discourses and Orson Pratt wrote about in great detail in The Seer. They both were very emphatic that Jesus was a polygamist and was married to Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene. They also taught that he had children.

 

[Brad_Haas]

Robert in SD:

I think Catholics and LDS can form a strong political alliance where it comes to ensuring that the government of our nation takes a strong stance in favor of the protection of the institution of marriage. On that we can see eye to eye.

Not to be a party-pooper, but doesn’t the LDS church permit divorce (even of temple marriages) and remarriage?

 

[PaulDupre]

paul barlow:

sorry i have never herd that taught. may be some ones view but it is not the churches.

Then you know very little about your Church’s history.

See my post at:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=970991#post970991

 

[catholic-rcia]

“Anyway, there does not seem to me to be any binding reason for LDS to demand that Jesus was married or had children, but there is also not anything to necessarily preclude a non-demanding view that this is true.”
*This is insane you know, you do not know the nature of God. You seem so intelligent and yet you have not embraced the obvious when it comes to Christ, to the message of Christ, God to us, along with the Cross. You have a Jesus looking out for himself. Can you not see that we are all His Children, His created Children? Bringing Christ down to a human level, a created level is so laced with Heresy and is very dangerous to the soul. What makes Christ so special is that he took on human form in order to save us Tom. He is God. He came to do His fathers will and he being God the Son did it perfectly. Nothing he came to do was for himself such as marriage, it was all for the Father. We are the bride of Christ, the Church. Can you not see the Glory in this? God the second person of the Trinity died for us, not an exalted man. God died for you, a sinner who has no other way to get to Him, to be with him forever. Jesus did not come to marry, he came to save you. The bond between Christ and the human race can not be degraded down to a Jesus who marries one or two of His creation in a human sense. The marriage feast that Catholics attend spans all of eternity and includes a love beyond any reason that anyone could come up with as a mere mortal. Good Friday shows us Cleary who the Bridegroom is, what he has done for all of us who care to immerse themselves into the death and resurrection of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ. *

*God Bless you Tom in all sincerity. *

Phil 2

Have in you the same attitude
that is also in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
coming in human likeness;
and found human in appearance,
he humbled himself,
becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross.
Because of this, God greatly exalted him
and bestowed on him the name
which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Coder]

If family is important to you, then join the family that Jesus formed, His holy Catholic Church.

 

[catholic-rcia]

*I have to re-post this, I thought about it all night. even had a few bad dreams *
**
”Anyway, there does not seem to me to be any binding reason for LDS to demand that Jesus was married or had children, but there is also not anything to necessarily preclude a non-demanding view that this is true.”

This is a terrible dilemma for your church Tom. It has cult written all over it, this statement that you have made. If Jesus was married to a human in the sense that you state then he would not be the God that Christians profess. Not even close.

This is insane you know, you do not know the nature of God. You seem so intelligent and yet you have not embraced the obvious when it comes to Christ, to the message of Christ, to the Gospel, God to us, along with the Cross. I am wondering what does intelligence play in all of this? As our Priest would say, conversion happens by way of the heart.

You have a Jesus looking out for himself, his own glory. Can you not see that we are all His created Children? Bringing Christ down to a created level is so laced with Heresy and is very dangerous to the soul. What makes Christ so special is that he is our Creator, that he took on human form in order to save us Tom. The devil will always take a lesser place in all things that are of Christ as he like us was also created by Him.

*We are the bride of Christ Tom, the community in Christ Jesus, the Church, can you not see the Glory in this? You do not want to see the glory in this for whatever reason. *

*God the second person of the Trinity died for us, for you Tom, not an exalted married man. God died for you, a sinner who has no other way to get to Him, to be with him forever. You are the one he is married to Tom, all you need do is accept this marriege. Jesus did not come to marry a created women or two, he came to marry you in a spirituel sense. *

*The bond between Christ and the human race can not be degraded down to a Jesus who marries one or two of His creation in a human sense. The marriage feast that Catholics attend includes all of us, it spans all of eternity and includes a love beyond any reason that anyone could come up with as a mere mortal. Good Friday shows us Cleary who the Bridegroom is, what God has done for all of us who care to immerse themselves into the death and resurrection of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ. *

We marry here because we are here to learn about love, not a sexual kind of Love, but the love of God to His eternal son forever.

What exactly are you learning to convert souls away from these truths? You seem to have embraced earthy wants and desires and bring them into the heavens, and you apparently have been chosen to do this well. But who is pulling your strings? Remember Jesus in the dessert, the things he was offered, he was not fooled because he knew cleary who was doing the offering. But we are not as strong nor wise. Even the very best can be fooled, used. (Paul was) But these same souls can become a burning fire for the Spirit of God. Come on over Tom, we need you!!!

Lots of Love from Catholic RCIA

*God Bless you Tom in all sincerity. *

Continued_____

 

[catholic-rcia]

Phil 2

Have in you the same attitude

that is also in Christ Jesus,

Who, though he was in the form of God,

did not regard equality with God

something to be grasped.

Rather, he emptied himself,

taking the form of a slave,

coming in human likeness;

and found human in appearance,

he humbled himself,

becoming obedient to the point of death,

even death on a cross.

Because of this, God greatly exalted him

and bestowed on him the name

which is above every name,

that at the name of Jesus

every knee should bend,

of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

and every tongue confess that

Jesus Christ is Lord,

to the glory of God the Father.