This is why Peter isnt the rock.Its christREAD

[mikeabele]

RyanL,

Hebrews 7:1-3 (NABWRNT)

Chapter 7

1 This “Melchizedek, king of Salem and priest of God Most High,” "met Abraham as he returned from his defeat of the kings” and “blessed him.”

2 And Abraham apportioned to him “a tenth of everything.” His name first means righteous king, and he was also “king of Salem,” that is, king of peace.

3 Without father, mother, or ancestry, without beginning of days or end of life, thus made to resemble the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

I have father, mother, ancestry, and beginning of days, so no I nor any other human would be a priest according to the order of Melchizedek. Christ is the one who has been a priest forever, for He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world because He…

Revelation 1:5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

How do you know my theology? I have said not one word about marriage or divorce. But let me let the Word of God handle the issue…

Matthew 19:3-8
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which madethem at the beginning made them male and female,5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let** not** man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from** the beginning**** it was** not** so**.

Ephesians 5:24-33
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

I see nowhere in the Bible that the bride of Christ can divorce the Bridegroom. Your analogy may work for man and woman, but not for the church and Christ.

 

[mercygate]

mikeabele:

Mercygate,

It is clear every believer is a priest. That being said the NT makes only two distinctions of titles. The first group was the diakonoi, or deacons which means servants (I Timothy 3:8-13). Their role was to provide practical service to the church in areas such as dispensing food to the needy (Acts 6:1-6) and caring for widows (I Timothy 5:9-16).

The second group was the presbuteroi (I Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9). The word literally means the *older men *and is usually translated elders. The title stresses the spiritual maturity and experience needed to qualify for the position.

The NT also refers to elders as the episkopoi, meaning the over-watchers, overseers, or bishops. The title emphasizes the role of an elder in watching over and caring for the flock. The NT makes it clear that the elders and bishops were one and the same group. A comparison of Acts 20:17 with Acts 20:28 and of Titus 1:5 with Titus 1:7 confirms this point.

You are right to say that episkopoi & presbyteroi are the same, and this is exactly the Catholic understanding. Catholic priests derive their faculties from the episcopal office – though they do not share *all *of the episcopal faculties. Thus, there is no problem with Peter addressing his “fellow elders.” A current example of that is when the Pope addresses “my fellow priests” or when people referred to the late Pope John Paul II as “a priest.”

And, of course, the linguistic derivation remains. “Presbyter” is etymologically the forerunner of the word “priest.”

The point still stands that the ministerial priesthood and the general priesthood are distinct – and diaconal ministry is yet another order, as we see in Acts.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Originally Posted by seetiger33
If we take scripture put it together and say yes scripture is consistant. Yes there are no double meanings or falsehoods of the word of god. So look at all these scriptures were the rock is obviously God himself. So who is god? Jesus. Trinity. Of course you agree now look at all these scriptures. God is obviously the rock.

The Lord is my ROCK, and my fortress, and my deliverer. My God, is the ROCK of refuge. Psalm 18:2, 94:22.

God was their ROCK, and the high God their redeemer. Psalm 78:35.

Unto Thee will I cry, O LORD, MY ROCK; Psalm 28:1.

Bow down Thy thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be Thou my strong ROCK, FOR A HOUSE of defense to SAVE me. for Thou art my ROCK and my FORTRESS; therefore for Thy name’s sake lead me, and guide me. Psalm 31:2,3).

I will say unto God my ROCK, why hast Thou forgotten me? Psalm 41:l0.

Lead me to the ROCK that is higher than I Psalms 61:2

He Only is my ROCK and my salvation; He is my defense; I shall not be moved. In GOD is my salvation and my glory: THE ROCK of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. Trust in him at all times, ye people, Pour out your heart before him; God is a refuge for us. Selah Psalm 62:6-8

To shew that the Lord is upright: He is my ROCK, and there is no unrighteousness in Him. Psalm92:15.

but the Lord is my defense; and MY GOD IS THE ROCK of my refuge. Psalm 94:22.

O Come, let us sing unto THE LORD; let us make a joyful noise to THE ROCK of our salvation. Psalm 95:1.

The stone which the builders refused is become the head of the corner. This is the Lord’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. Psalm 118:22, 23.

Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Isaiah 28:16.

Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto OUR GOD! He is THE ROCK, His work is perfect: for all his ways are judgement: Deuteronomy 32:3,4.

Then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed THE ROCK of his salvation. Deuteronomy 32:15, 18).

And he said: THE LORD IS MY ROCK, and my fortress, and my deliverer II Samuel 22:2.

Well, there are no “double” meanings. And yet clearly:

KJV.
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Isa51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
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Abraham is a ROCK, and the children hewn from him are stones at least.

If you know how to run a word processor search button, I would highly reccommend getting a text copy of the entire bible (in a few different versions) and searching all occurances of a word before cutting and pasting a biased selection.

 

[LSK]

I don’t think the meanings are “double”, I think they are “different” for the passages being used.

 

[reen12]

Dear Church Militant,

I was looking at some of the earliest posts in this
thread, and My, oh, My, did you do a fine job!:clapping:
Hats off to you, for all the work involved in
posting the material…especially the part about
the location Jesus chose.:tiphat:
Beautiful work…thank you.

reen12*

 

[Church_Militant]

reen12:

Dear Church Militant,

I was looking at some of the earliest posts in this
thread, and My, oh, My, did you do a fine job!:clapping:
Hats off to you, for all the work involved in
posting the material…especially the part about
the location Jesus chose.:tiphat:
Beautiful work…thank you.

reen12*

Gee Maureen, Thanks!
Pax tecum,

 

[Church_Militant]

mikeabele:

You are correct, but the Lord also names Him Simon after naming Him Peter.

This is outright Error!
Simon was the man’s name before Jesus ever came along and Jesus Himself named him Kephas (because they were speaking Aramaic) All the Gospels record Peter’s name as Simon prior to the coming of Christ.

Matthew 4:18 And Jesus walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea (for they were fishers).

Matthew 10:2 And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, 3 James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, 4 Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him

What does the name Simon mean? It sure as vitam aeternam doesn’t mean rock like Kephas does in Aramaic or as petros does in Greek. Lithos (a small stone) is not used in the passages that are relevent to this discussion and therefore that part of your argument fades away.

The rest of the Catholic posts on this thread more than answer your issues. Reject if you choose, but you do so at the risk of contradicting the very Bible that you claim is the sole source of all you believe.
Pax vobiscum,