This kinda startles me help!

[CountrySteve]

ok so i was reading something about the Pope and they say when a new Pope is chosen the following words are said “(I announce to you a great joy. We have a Pope. The most eminent and reverend Lord, the Lord ___ Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church who takes to himself the name ___.)”
are the calling the pope a lord and if so this is horrible btw i got the info from this site

fisheaters.com/papalelections.html

 

[TrueLight]

ok so i was reading something about the Pope and they say when a new Pope is chosen the following words are said “(I announce to you a great joy. We have a Pope. The most eminent and reverend Lord, the Lord ___ Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church who takes to himself the name ___.)”
are the calling the pope a lord and if so this is horrible btw i got the info from this site

fisheaters.com/papalelections.html

I’m not sure exactly what it means, this is the definition of Lord from dictionary.com

a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.

Some members of the aristocracy are called lord.

No one is calling him the Lord of Lords.

 

[OscarsMama]

Maybe I will be wrong here… Please somebody correct me if I am.

The term Lord is not used only for Jesus or God the father. The term Lord is used for a person in authority. LORD is written in the Bible because the name of God could not be written. The word Lord is a name/term that deems respect and such, but is NOT the name of God.

 

[JRKH]

Not sure what you are concerned about. the Vatican State is an Absolute monarchy of which the Pope, acting as Vicar of Christ, is the leader, or “lord”, over. Of course he is also the leader of the Roman Catholic Church and is therefore a lord in this sense.

I believe that the Cardinals are still refered to as the Princes of The Church, and in monarchial temrinology they would also all be “lords”.

I guess I just don’t see the problem.

Peace
James

 

[InspiritCarol]

ok so i was reading something about the Pope and they say when a new Pope is chosen the following words are said “(I announce to you a great joy. We have a Pope. The most eminent and reverend Lord, the Lord ___ Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church who takes to himself the name ___.)”
are the calling the pope a lord and if so this is horrible btw i got the info from this site

fisheaters.com/papalelections.html

Oh my goodness, CountrySteve, if you had ever interacted on any level with countries that had monarchies; this would not give you an instant’s pause. Just look at the English government: there’s a reason it’s called the “House of Lords”. None of them claim divinity; nor would the Pope EVER on any level. He is wholly human, period… PERIOD.

 

[Lady_Marchmain]

I’m not sure what you’re objecting to? Are you inferring the words are calling the Pope a divinity (lord)? As in “Jesus Christ Our Lord”? That seems a bit of a stretch to me. Seems more along the typical use of the word Lord in a title of a high official, ruler, or one who has dominion over others, which the Pope definitely does, as the elected ruler of the Holy See and as the moral ruler to which the whole world is subject.

The Coronation is even better, and a darn shame Pope JP-1 discarded it:

“Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that thou art the Father of Princes and Kings, the Ruler of the World, the Vicar on earth of Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, to Whom is honour and glory for ever and ever.”

On this earth, remember, you cannot get higher than the Pope, so the high-fallutin’ language should not be disconcerting. I think it’s OK to address the Vicar of Christ as “Lord” in the splendid moment of his election.

 

[MarkThompson]

ok so i was reading something about the Pope and they say when a new Pope is chosen the following words are said “(I announce to you a great joy. We have a Pope. The most eminent and reverend Lord, the Lord ___ Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church who takes to himself the name ___.)”
are the calling the pope a lord and if so this is horrible btw i got the info from this site

fisheaters.com/papalelections.html

He is not being called a lord because he has been elected Pope, but because of his status as a Cardinal. It is an honorific term.

I believe that the Cardinals are still refered to as the Princes of The Church, and in monarchial temrinology they would also all be “lords”.

The term “Prince of the Church” is not used because they are princes (although historically there were some Cardinals who were actual European princes). It is an metaphorical term used because as a matter of diplomatic protocol a Cardinal has the same standing as a prince royal.