This scapular is disturbing

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The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

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Jafar said:
It makes me **feel **vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.
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Don’t base your spiritual life on your feelings.

The Brown Scapular is a Sacramental, and as such, it’s simply a visible sign of invisible grace that has been instituted by the Church. Any authority the Church has has been given to it by Christ, and it is through the merits of Christ’s life, death, and resurrection that the Church is able to do anything at all.

If you use the Brown Scapular in a manner informed by faith, with God as its final end, then it can dispose you to receive many graces. After all, you can’t receive graces you’re not disposed to receive, and our trust in any Sacramental is really borne out of supernatural hope, and therefore on our reliance on God.

If you use it in a superstitious manner, by attributing powers to it that are proper to God alone, then you’re bound to be led astray, just as Martin Luther was.
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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There’s no reason to be angry at the Church. Jesus lives in and through Mary, without restriction. She lets Him act. The Scapular, then, is primarily a gift from Jesus, not Mary.

Mary is our Blessed Mother; we entrust ourselves to her, as Jesus did, *because * of the Precious Blood. Remember, Our Lady, too, was redeemed; but she was redeemed in advance. No one gives greater glory to the Precious Blood than Mary, from whom Jesus took His Sacred Flesh and Blood! Were it not for the intercession of Mary, the Mother of Mercy, how many more souls would be lost forever! How many would be forever deprived of the saving power of the Precious Blood!

To trust in Our Lady’s intercession is good and sensible. The Scapulars of St. Alphonsus and St. John Bosco are still intact, decades and decades after their deaths! Surely this is a sign from God.

I also feel vulnerable if I take my Scapular off. Without Mary’s intercession, I would be lost.
 
By your many posts, you seem to focus on “things” and not the beautiful teachings of the Church.
If you’re not into sacramentals, don’t use them. Simple as that.
But “things” do not represent everything there is to know about Jesus Christ’s church on earth.
Study Scripture, receive Eucharist worthily. These are the things that matter.
God bless.

Also, the scapular is a tool so that people can remember their daily prayer devotions and work toward holiness. the piece of cloth in and of itself is not magical. It’s a tangible reminder of what those who follow that devotion have promised to do with their prayer life.

All of that is available to you, but as options, not mandatory. Devotions are a private practice to promote holiness and piety.
 
The Scapular is also symbolic of the *yoke of Christ *(jugum Christi)…(take my yoke upon you and learn from me…)

Mary would be the first to point you to turn aways to the blood of Jesus …to Jesus Christ the Risen Lord…

And remember Mary always says as she said the Gospel - “do whatever he tells you”…she is the first disciple…she always points to Christ and helps one follow him…
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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The brown scapular is a private devotion; it is not necessary to wear it or believe in it’s promises.
 
I look at sacramentals as gifts. You can choose to receive it, or not. There’s no need to hate the Church who is offering us this gift. I love the scapular and will continue to wear it. It doesn’t mean I’m undermining the power of Christ’s Blood that was shed. In fact, if Jesus hadn’t shed His Blood for us poor sinners, nothing else would amount to much, would it?
 
littlestsouls2 said:
There’s no reason to be angry at the Church. Jesus lives in and through Mary, without restriction. She lets Him act. The Scapular, then, is primarily a gift from Jesus, not Mary.

I also feel vulnerable if I take my Scapular off. Without Mary’s intercession, I would be lost.
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Ummmm… this statement, ‘She lets Him act’ really bothers me. Jesus is God. Mary isn’t.
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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So you are angry at the church. Yet the church is the bride of Christ according to scripture.
 
I am not angry at the church as whole. I have no other place to go . Presbyterians are not right. I am already coming from them and left them after about 18 years even I studied theology and left the university.

Islam is not truth I am moslem born and left Islam

Catholic if my final home but it is also full of garbage

I will stay in Catholic church and not leave as martin luther but will do my part and express my doubts and fight my small ground.

Satan is cunning and we have to be careful not to forget that our source of salvation is Jesus alone. The Church is too relax to accept all these revelations.

This is too much for me I can not handle it
 
Jafar said:
I am not angry at the church as whole. I have no other place to go . Presbyterians are not right. I am already coming from them and left them after about 18 years even I studied theology and left the university.

Islam is not truth I am moslem born and left Islam

Catholic if my final home but it is also full of garbage

I will stay in Catholic church and not leave as martin luther but will do my part and express my doubts and fight my small ground.

Satan is cunning and we have to be careful not to forget that our source of salvation is Jesus alone. The Church is too relax to accept all these revelations.

This is too much for me I can not handle it
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How is the Church too relaxed? I have never heard them say there is another source of salvation.
 
Jafar said:
I am not angry at the church as whole. I have no other place to go . Presbyterians are not right. I am already coming from them and left them after about 18 years even I studied theology and left the university.

Islam is not truth I am moslem born and left Islam

Catholic if my final home but it is also full of garbage

I will stay in Catholic church and not leave as martin luther but will do my part and express my doubts and fight my small ground.

Satan is cunning and we have to be careful not to forget that our source of salvation is Jesus alone. The Church is too relax to accept all these revelations.

This is too much for me I can not handle it
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A applaud you for on your seek/find. But the church is not relaxed when it comes to private revelations. In fact, it is very strict in its requirements for any private revelation to be non-objectionable. And it is only after the test of time and standards that the private revelation may be honored. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of revelations, which the church has not approved. And in addition, if any private apparition is found unacceptable to an individual Catholic, they are not required to practise it.

But…it is the right of any Catholic to accept and use the private apparition that has been approved by the church. And it is not acceptable for those that do not use them to criticize other Catholics for their usage since the Church has said that it is ok.

So we need to be respectful of all feelings in regard to this issue.
 
fred_conty said:
if any private apparition is found unacceptable to an individual Catholic, they are not required to practise it.

.[/QUOE]

Is it a sin for me to reject this scapular thing ? Is it a sin for me to disbelieve the whole idea?
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Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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What’s your basis for the opinion that the “scapular undermines the power of the blood of Jesus”?

Are you not aware that ANY and ALL sacramentals of the Catholic Church would have no value if not for the Blood of Jesus?

Oh and one thing.

Martin Luther was WRONG. I advise you not to follow his example.
 
Jafar said:
fred conty;13454162:
if any private apparition is found unacceptable to an individual Catholic, they are not required to practise it.

.[/QUOE]

Is it a sin for me to reject this scapular thing ? Is it a sin for me to disbelieve the whole idea?
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I believe it is wrong for a Catholic to object to another Catholic practicing an approved private apparition. Because implicitly it is saying they are wrong for accepting the Church’s guidance.

It isn’t wrong for a Catholic to disbelieve in any private apparition which would include the scapular.
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fred_conty said:
Jafar;13454181:
I believe it is wrong for a Catholic to object to another Catholic practicing an approved private apparition. Because implicitly it is saying they are wrong for accepting the Church’s guidance.

It isn’t wrong for a Catholic to disbelieve in any private apparition which would include the scapular.
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I think the poster’s issue goes way beyond merely accepting private revelations. He expressed the opinion that the scapular undermines the Blood of Jesus. That touches a matter of faith (sacramentals are part of the Church’s theology).

Therefore, I want to know why he thinks this is so.
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Jafar said:
Is it a sin for me to reject this scapular thing ? Is it a sin for me to disbelieve the whole idea?
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No, it is not a sin. You are free to completely disregard it.

It would not be appropriate to dismiss it for others to use as an act of piety though. The church as approved it for use, but it has not been mandated.
 
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