This scapular is disturbing

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I wonder if it comes from this unconscious idea that the will of Jesus and Mary are opposed. They aren’t. Unfortunately this world has planted this seed in a lot of people, it seems. You don’t have to wear it if you don’t want to.
 
Never mind . I won’t be able to change any body’s mind

As I can’t change my mother’s mind that what Islam is just evil

And as I can not change my Presbyterian pastor’s mind about many things regarding catholic is correct

It seems it is human nature but instead of going from one religion to another I will stay and be careful not to loose my main focus and that is Jesus Christ as my saviour
 
Jafar said:
Never mind . I won’t be able to change any body’s mind

As I can’t change my mother’s mind that what Islam is just evil

And as I can not change my Presbyterian pastor’s mind about many things regarding catholic is correct

It seems it is human nature but instead of going from one religion to another I will stay and be careful not to loose my main focus and that is Jesus Christ as my saviour
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If you indeed accept Jesus Christ as your savior, then you must surrender your entire being to Him.

This means, abandoning your ideas which do not come from Him, through His Church.

The idea you’re presenting here is your own and to truly follow Christ, you need to detach from it.

You’re not required to take on devotions you’re not called to, such as wearing the Scapular.

But you are required not to denigrate the devotion which is approved by the Church.

Jim
 
Jafar said:
Never mind . I won’t be able to change any body’s mind

As I can’t change my mother’s mind that what Islam is just evil

And as I can not change my Presbyterian pastor’s mind about many things regarding catholic is correct

It seems it is human nature but instead of going from one religion to another I will stay and be careful not to loose my main focus and that is Jesus Christ as my saviour
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Well, that’s all good, but if you would focus that Jesus is your saviour, you would have to also believe everything he said.

Part of what he said is that he would found his Church (not Churches) on the Rock that is Peter, and that he would give the keys to the Kingdom to Peter, and Peter only.

You will have to honestly study and convince yourself which Church that is, and still continues the office of Peter.

And of Jesus can heal through handkerchiefs used by St. Paul, why would a scapular cause you any trouble?
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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If you feel vulnerable if you do not wear a scapular that is your own superstition. It is not very mature to blame your superstition on a object nor on The Church. It has been repeatedly pointed out to you that you are not obligated to have this as a private devotion. The Church judges what is okay and what is not, not you. You think you know better than The Church? Listen… I do not have any private devotion. I pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet once in awhile and The Rosary. That is all. They do not take away from Jesus. They focus ON Jesus. I sure do not feel like I am vulnerable if I do not pray them. And if I did begin to feel that way, it would not make sense to get mad at The Church because of it, now would it? You are being immature brother. I say that with a lot of love. Just do not wear a brown scapular if you are getting superstitious about it. God bless.
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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The scapular is not producing that effect. Your mind is doing that.

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, wear the Brown Scapular (or other scapulars or use sacramentals such as Holy Water) without such feelings.

Used with the proper understanding, the Brown Scapular is a powerful and good thing. It’s not an amulet. It has no magical powers. Without the prayerful commitment that comes from being invested with the Brown Scapular, it’s only a blessed piece of wool and thread - an object of little import or benefit. The true and undeniable power comes from the devotion and promises which it only represents. The prayers associated with it, the consecration to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, and the daily rosary we say as part of our commitment to wearing it are what produce the great grace of the Brown Scapular.
 
LaughingBoy1503 said:
Yeah, I agree “she lets Him act” sounds weird. All Mary has and does is by The Power of God, not her own power. I hope that “She lets Him act” statement was a mistake.
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I didn’t see anything wrong with the statement… I interpreted it to mean that Mary allows Jesus to act and do all the work and doesn’t do anything by her own power- she lets His will be done. But perhaps the OP could clarify
 
Jafar said:
The brown scapular is undermining the power of the blood of Jesus.

It makes me feel vulnerable if I do not wear it. This is sad.

I think little by little I come to understand why Martin luther is angry at catholic church

:mad:
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Your confusion about the scapular isn’t the fault of the Church. Not wise to go off in that direction
 
scapulars are just sacrementals, sacrementals have been around since biblical times like tallit, and tefellin, they are to aid us in keeping our minds on God but are not to be given superstitious power, if you really feel like your becoming superstitious about the scapular consult your priest.
 
paperwight66 said:
Ummmm… this statement, ‘She lets Him act’ really bothers me. Jesus is God. Mary isn’t.
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I think it’s a simple misunderstanding. You’re right; Mary is infinitely below Jesus. Realising this, she is submissive to His will. “Fiat voluntas tua.” In other words, she does His Will; she lets Him act in her by giving Him the key to her will. “It is longer I who live but Christ who liveth in me.”
 
Jafar said:
Sad sad sad how you think
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St. Vincent Ferrer prayed at the bedside of a despairing sinner and thereby obtained his conversion, through the merits of Christ. It can therefore be said that this man owed his salvation to St. Vincent - not as the First Cause of his salvation, of course, but as the instrumental cause. And do you know whose intercession St. Vincent appealed to? Our Lady’s.

Mary obtains salvation for many who would otherwise be damned. Many great theologians, such as St. Alphonsus and Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange defend this point with great force.
 
The fact that one even feels needed to clarify positions like that, speaks quite a lot about the resentment for Marian devotions. In the natural course of events, there are people who look like they ought to be damned. And then there are those who resent such people, those who would rather not have it any other way, as such, both in this life and the next, as per what they deem or judge to be right or true. But in the supernatural and preternatural world, that may not be really the case, and perhaps, not even close to it. All because, somehow, the question of who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, is so disputed among Catholics… right?
 
I am already scared to remove this scapular from me

In bathroom , at sleep and I am having it while having sex with my wife.

I am not sure what I am doing but already am in it so forget this post

I hope catholic is taking me to the right direction because there are toooooooooooooooooooooooo mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny does and donts and supernatural things… saints …

I have never seen that much in my life
 
Jafar said:
I am already scared to remove this scapular from me

In bathroom , at sleep and I am having it while having sex with my wife.

I am not sure what I am doing but already am in it so forget this post

I hope catholic is taking me to the right direction because there are toooooooooooooooooooooooo mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny does and donts and supernatural things… saints …

I have never seen that much in my life
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It is rather simple. With the dooos and don’ts we are able to remain in the fold of the good shepherd. Without them we become lost lambs.
 
This I have learned.

Satan is very tricky ! Every time I try to come to close to God and he knows he can not stop me then he uses another way to make be exhausted by persuading me to read more bilbe, ( ready the whole psalm in 2 days ) do more prayer and more devotion so much that I get sick and tired and then he sits and laughs at me…

Surely Satan is smart. How do I know Satan is not doing the same thing with the church?

If Satan can show himself as an angle of light how do I know that all these things introduced to the church is from God and not Satan?

I ask myself isn’t it another trick to try to divert our attention to some thing else rather than What Jesus did on the cross?

If I take away my cross from my neck I do not feel as insecure as I take off my sculpture.

Today this tomorrow some thing else where are we heading for?

All these objects , all these does not seem to be right

Even if I am supposed to accept catholic tradition next to my Bible

People did not have as many sacraments as they have now .

I am worried about where catholic is going.

I do not have any other alternative

I reject some of catholic churches I do not accept some but not accepting it means I am sinning so that also is putting burden on my shoulder .

Getting very much confused …
 
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