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This short video says some interesting things about Catholic vs Protestant
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beaumains
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You know, I’m not sure about this. That professor probably knows southern Italy better than I do (though I’d love to get to know it better someday!), but look at the saints like Francis of Assisi and Teresa of Avila. They spent a long time every day pondering their deaths, and that propelled them to do some amazing feats. They said that practice is really important, because it gives us just that future-oriented persepective the professor was talking about.
Also, I think Catholic theology in general is more future-oriented. We believe that what we do in this life really does matter to our salvation. We have been saved, we are being saved, and we hope that we will be saved. A vast number of protestants profess that they’re saved. That’s it. Talk about not having a future tense. If you follow this belief through, it can lead to some pretty serious laziness.
So, in theory I think catholics have the upper hand in the future-oriented vs. present/past hedonistic battle. I’d be interested to see a study that tries to measure if we really are more active and future-oriented in the way we actually live, though.
God bless,
You know, I’m not sure about this. That professor probably knows southern Italy better than I do (though I’d love to get to know it better someday!), but look at the saints like Francis of Assisi and Teresa of Avila. They spent a long time every day pondering their deaths, and that propelled them to do some amazing feats. They said that practice is really important, because it gives us just that future-oriented persepective the professor was talking about.
Also, I think Catholic theology in general is more future-oriented. We believe that what we do in this life really does matter to our salvation. We have been saved, we are being saved, and we hope that we will be saved. A vast number of protestants profess that they’re saved. That’s it. Talk about not having a future tense. If you follow this belief through, it can lead to some pretty serious laziness.
So, in theory I think catholics have the upper hand in the future-oriented vs. present/past hedonistic battle. I’d be interested to see a study that tries to measure if we really are more active and future-oriented in the way we actually live, though.
God bless,
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The link didn’t work for me and I had to copy/paste it into my search bar to view it. Maybe that explains the way skewed poster/viewer ratio?
I agree with you to some extent, Beaumains. * the profound meditation on death is a version of a practice from another system that yields profound insights. But neither of those Saints were the only ones, and very definitely not the only ones to reap the benefits of that practice due to its religious context. In other words, as far as I can honestly see, while I agree with their conclusions, they did not get there because they were Catholic, but because they did the practice. It is hard for me to dismiss that on the grounds that nearly identical results came from many non Catholic “Saints.” In fact, the Catholic Saints you mention and some others are sometimes included in works of Divine Praise from other paradigms with no prejudice as to their religion. Catholicism seems not to extend the converse courtesy.
And that is where I see that your assessment is a bit off. I offer that the clip purports that Protestants are more this-worldly and financially goal oriented. In fact, I have read tracts that the Protestant, and therefore New World Christian ethic, is responsible for the tragedies of industrialization and extraction economics. I’d like for that reason to see a profile of Republican/Teabagger religious profiles as compared to Democrats. That could be interesting.
I agree with you to some extent, Beaumains. * the profound meditation on death is a version of a practice from another system that yields profound insights. But neither of those Saints were the only ones, and very definitely not the only ones to reap the benefits of that practice due to its religious context. In other words, as far as I can honestly see, while I agree with their conclusions, they did not get there because they were Catholic, but because they did the practice. It is hard for me to dismiss that on the grounds that nearly identical results came from many non Catholic “Saints.” In fact, the Catholic Saints you mention and some others are sometimes included in works of Divine Praise from other paradigms with no prejudice as to their religion. Catholicism seems not to extend the converse courtesy.
And that is where I see that your assessment is a bit off. I offer that the clip purports that Protestants are more this-worldly and financially goal oriented. In fact, I have read tracts that the Protestant, and therefore New World Christian ethic, is responsible for the tragedies of industrialization and extraction economics. I’d like for that reason to see a profile of Republican/Teabagger religious profiles as compared to Democrats. That could be interesting.
- Does that transliterate into “Good hands?”
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Ok, I would say you’re right - that sort of prayer definitely doesn’t belong to the Catholic Church alone. I would also say, though, and call me biased if you like, that it has found its deepest expression in the lives of Her saints.
I haven’t heard of that theory you were talking about before, so I’m not sure exactly. What i was trying to say is that I do think that when Catholic theology is lived, it has much more potential to propel a person to use their time well and live well. Global economics and social theories are too big for me : )
God bless,
Beaumains
*Read Thomas Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur (The Death of Arthur), book 7. It’s one of my favorite stories in there.
Ok, I would say you’re right - that sort of prayer definitely doesn’t belong to the Catholic Church alone. I would also say, though, and call me biased if you like, that it has found its deepest expression in the lives of Her saints.
I haven’t heard of that theory you were talking about before, so I’m not sure exactly. What i was trying to say is that I do think that when Catholic theology is lived, it has much more potential to propel a person to use their time well and live well. Global economics and social theories are too big for me : )
God bless,
Beaumains
*Read Thomas Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur (The Death of Arthur), book 7. It’s one of my favorite stories in there.
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That’s not for me to say one way or another, whatever my opinion.J.M.J.
Ok, I would say you’re right - that sort of prayer definitely doesn’t belong to the Catholic Church alone. I would also say, though, and call me biased if you like, that it has found its deepest expression in the lives of Her saints.
Darned few have heard it and fewer would think of its actual significance. But I know how you feel; I felt the same way a long time ago.I haven’t heard of that theory you were talking about before, so I’m not sure exactly. What i was trying to say is that I do think that when Catholic theology is lived, it has much more potential to propel a person to use their time well and live well. Global economics and social theories are too big for me : )
God bless,
Beaumains
I’ve a stack “this” high on my table waiting to be red, and a web site and a book to review. I might get to your recommendation some time. I’m sorry I didn’t read it when I was into classics. I hear it is excellent.*Read Thomas Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur (The Death of Arthur), book 7. It’s one of my favorite stories in there.
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