This Wednesday, 8/6/2008, I will be leaving communion with the Roman Catholic Church

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Christy74 said:
Thank you Catholic Answers, especially the Eastern Catholic Forum, for leading me back out of communion with the Roman Church and into communion with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church aka the Orthodox Churches!

I am so happy and relieved to be joining the true historical Church which has been protected by the Holy Spirit which has prevented it from teaching error for the last couple thousand years. The Roman Church has not had such a protection which can be seen clearly with the doctrines it has come up with in the last several hundred years since the Church of Rome removed herself from union with the Churches established by the Apostles.

Thank you!
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I’ll say a prayer for your safe return to the Catholic Church - the One True Church. I wish you well. Safe journey. No hard feelings.

Peace,
-Robert
 
Christy, I would just like to say I hope you aren’t making this decision solely on what people have said on an internet forum. I do hope you study this on your own a lot and also talk to people in person about this, as people on the internet can often be a lot more hostile.

God bless you on your journey.
 
notsmart said:
I am sorry to ask such a dumb question, but I replied to a poster here in another thread, that I thought was Catholic, but now reading this thread, (and being totally confused about it) is it seems that he/she is not. But, I am not sure really.

Is there a thread someone can point me to that explains this difference? I thought Orthodox simply meant “right belief” and I asked if this means something different to a Catholic.

Now reading this, I am even more confused about how christians use the word Orthodox, and I hope I did not sound rude in the midst of what appears to be a very emotional moment being shared here.

Sorry, if the mods want to delete my off topic, I understand.

I just am finding out that there is way much more to learn here than I thought.
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Both the Churches in communion with the ancient Patriarchs and those with the Vatican both claim to be both Catholic (universal) and Orthodox (right believing).

The confusion comes with especially the use of Catholic in English for in union with the Vatican, and catholic for universal. Orthodox, the confusion is usually confusing us for observant Jews.

In some Eastern languages, such is not the case, as the former, for instance in Russian is katoliksky, and the other is sabornostkoy (spelling?).
 
One True Church?

Doesnt this imply all others are False? Do Catholics think all other christians are in False Churches?

Cant Catholics disagree with other church’s ways yet not consider them False per say, but maybe wrong about some things?
It seems so harsh to call other christians False. Is this just your view, or is it teaching?

Or, is this a requirement to believe this? I thought only cults were false.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Both the Churches in communion with the ancient Patriarchs and those with the Vatican both claim to be both Catholic (universal) and Orthodox (right believing).

The confusion comes with especially the use of Catholic in English for in union with the Vatican, and catholic for universal. Orthodox, the confusion is usually confusing us for observant Jews.

In some Eastern languages, such is not the case, as the former, for instance in Russian is katoliksky, and the other is sabornostkoy (spelling?).
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Oh, that is very interesting. Its really just a matter of language and interpretations of the limited ways we have to express certian things. Okay.

I thank you for that. I was starting to think I needed to learn code words or something.

I am not Russian, but my mother was born close to there. She is still having a hard time with finding the right words for things, and many times uses the wrong words to express a thought. I understand her, but many dont. She is what I call, still stuck in the Finnish Getto.
 
notsmart said:
One True Church?

Doesnt this imply all others are False? Do Catholics think all other christians are in False Churches?

Cant Catholics disagree with other church’s ways yet not consider them False per say, but maybe wrong about some things?
It seems so harsh to call other christians False. Is this just your view, or is it teaching?

Or, is this a requirement to believe this? I thought only cults were false.
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First of all welcome to the forums and be patient with yourself. There is a lot to sort out, but it’s worth it.

The Church teaches that the other Christian Churches each have part of the God’s Truth, but that only the Catholic Church has the Fulless of Truth. This is because the Catholic Church has a clear tracable and documented history all the way back to the Apostles and to Christ. We Know from Scripture that Jesus founded His Church upon Peter (Rock) and that The Church is the Piller and Foundation of Truth. Additionally Christ instructed His followers to take disagreements to “The Church” for resolution. Note in each of these passages that Jesus is refering to a single Church founded upon the Apostles.

Hope this helps

Peace
James
 
Christy,

I am sure some Catholics (in communion with Rome) will get on my case about this, but I am happy for you! At least you are genuinely trying to find the truth and trying to follow Christ the best you can.

You are being drawn there for reasons unbeknownst to any of us…most likely even unknown to you…in the divine scheme of things.

I do pray for unity in the Christian faith through truth. I am just glad to see people like you still search for it. I am just glad you will still get to receive our Lord; body, blood, soul and divinity in the Most Blessed Sacrament.

May God continue to lead you where He needs you and may you heed His call!
 
notsmart said:
Oh, that is very interesting. Its really just a matter of language and interpretations of the limited ways we have to express certian things. Okay.

I thank you for that. I was starting to think I needed to learn code words or something.

I am not Russian, but my mother was born close to there. She is still having a hard time with finding the right words for things, and many times uses the wrong words to express a thought. I understand her, but many dont. She is what I call, still stuck in the Finnish Getto.
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Finnish? When I was Helsinki, there was someone who wanted to practice his English: he had just come back from the US, where he had been visiting his aunt for the last 4 months. Unfortunatly for his English, auntie lived in the U.P. in a town where everyone spoke Finnish!

I love the Finns solution to minority "problems.’ 10% of the country is Swedish, and 2% Orthodox, so both Swedish and Finnish are official (one of the better examples I’ve seen of bilingualism) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church (the only Lutheran body, besides Sweden’s, that claiim Apostolic succession) and the Autonomous Finnish Orthodox Church (under the EP now: the Orthodox were the first missionaries in Finland, Finnish was first written in Cyrillic, and the Finnish Awakening, the Fennoman movemant, started in Finnish Russia) are state Churches (baptism in the Orthodox Church makes you a citizen, not really a good thing from the point of religion, but a sign that the Church is not merely "tolereated). The Finns are also the most religious of the Scandanavians.
 
notsmart said:
I am sorry to ask such a dumb question, but I replied to a poster here in another thread, that I thought was Catholic, but now reading this thread, (and being totally confused about it) is it seems that he/she is not. But, I am not sure really.

Is there a thread someone can point me to that explains this difference? I thought Orthodox simply meant “right belief” and I asked if this means something different to a Catholic.

Now reading this, I am even more confused about how christians use the word Orthodox, and I hope I did not sound rude in the midst of what appears to be a very emotional moment being shared here.

Sorry, if the mods want to delete my off topic, I understand.

I just am finding out that there is way much more to learn here than I thought.
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You are not “notsmart” you are a very intelligent creature because you have a very intelligent Creator, so I will refer to you as the Highly Intelligent One.

Highly Intelligent One,

There are no dumb questions.

Yes it is an emotional - exciting - happy moment for me! Hurray! And no, I don’t think it rude for you to ask.

Anyway, Orthodox does mean Correct (Right) Faith and Correct (Right) Belief. Orthodox is the name of the original Christian Church established by the Apostles at Jesus’ request/command. For approximately the first 1000 years “the Church” included all of the churches started by the Apostles: St. Thomas had gone to India, St. Mark to Alexandria, St. Peter to Antioch and then to Rome, St. Andrew to Byzantium (later called Constantinople & now known as Istanbul), etc. was interchangably called Orthodox or Catholic.

However, due to a number of Theological differences, bad interpretations (after about the 500 to 700’s Rome stopped using Greek and began using Latin) which caused miscommunication, the Church of Rome removed it’s self from Communion with the other Apostolic Churches. Officially by excommunicating the Patriarchate of Constantinople - all other Apostolic Founded Churches remained in union with Constantinople, not with Rome.
So over the years Orthodox has become the name of the “Eastern” Churches and the Church of Rome has come to be known as Catholic.

Now to make matters a little more confusing some small parts of other Apostolic Churches of the East aka Orthodox have at various points for political reasons left union with the other Orthodox Churches and has come into union with the Church of Rome: example: in the 1700’s the Melkite Church was established as being in union with Rome. They are commonly known as either Uniates or Eastern Catholic Churches.

It is from the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (an Eastern Catholic Church) that I am leaving, which means I am leaving union with Rome, to go home to full Orthodoxy to be in union with all the other Apostolic Founded Churches which are the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I hope this helps.
Christy
 
Christy74 said:
You are not “notsmart” you are a very intelligent creature because you have a very intelligent Creator, so I will refer to you as the Highly Intelligent One.

Highly Intelligent One,

There are no dumb questions.

Yes it is an emotional - exciting - happy moment for me! Hurray! And no, I don’t think it rude for you to ask.

Anyway, Orthodox does mean Correct (Right) Faith and Correct (Right) Belief. Orthodox is the name of the original Christian Church established by the Apostles at Jesus’ request/command. For approximately the first 1000 years “the Church” included all of the churches started by the Apostles: St. Thomas had gone to India, St. Mark to Alexandria, St. Peter to Antioch and then to Rome, St. Andrew to Byzantium (later called Constantinople & now known as Istanbul), etc. was interchangably called Orthodox or Catholic.

However, due to a number of Theological differences, bad interpretations (after about the 500 to 700’s Rome stopped using Greek and began using Latin) which caused miscommunication, the Church of Rome removed it’s self from Communion with the other Apostolic Churches. Officially by excommunicating the Patriarchate of Constantinople - all other Apostolic Founded Churches remained in union with Constantinople, not with Rome.
So over the years Orthodox has become the name of the “Eastern” Churches and the Church of Rome has come to be known as Catholic.

Now to make matters a little more confusing some small parts of other Apostolic Churches of the East aka Orthodox have at various points for political reasons left union with the other Orthodox Churches and has come into union with the Church of Rome: example: in the 1700’s the Melkite Church was established as being in union with Rome. They are commonly known as either Uniates or Eastern Catholic Churches.

It is from the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (an Eastern Catholic Church) that I am leaving, which means I am leaving union with Rome, to go home to full Orthodoxy to be in union with all the other Apostolic Founded Churches which are the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I hope this helps.
Christy
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By chance, are you going to the Antiochean Archdiocese?
 
General mediated fathers are not enough. It was predestined by God and willed by Him that there should be a special mediated Father, who alone preserves the full unity of the Church, to bear, even in a visible sense, the special presence of the One Savior, Jesus Christ.

Hence, from all eternity, the Petrine office would exist.

In the OT, 10 of 12 tribes broke away, but the remnant had the true kingship.

Is it any different in the NT? No. For four of the five sees broke with Peter, but Peter, as the singular special father, preserved the true kingship.

And just as the North that was in schism was spanked first by assyria, then, later, the true kings Judah in the South by babylon, so it was the East has been spanked first by atheistic materialism, and the true king of the west shall see his kingdom spanked by the relativistic materialists.
 
good luck. i am a new Catholic myself. you will have to come back and let us know how it is. since i am new to the Catholic faith, i am not that educated about the differences between the East and West. i pray some day we will be unified again. i hope you will find your new faith very fulfilling. right now i believe the one true church to be the Roman Catholic Church in Rome and i believe in the Pope as our spiritual shepherd here on earth. i am very happy that i have been led to the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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