Thomism within Eastern Orthodoxy

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I don’t know if this has ever been introduced in the ECF before, but here is a very interesting article about the Thomism of the EOC during the time of the Council of Florence. I thought it would be of interest to our Byzantine members. It should hold equal interest for Thomists such as brother Ghosty:

balkanstudies.org/1998/barber.htm

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Marduk
 
The priest at the first UGCC I went to was a Dominican. He is an American with a Ukrainian surname. He says that Thomism is closer to Byzantine theology than the later Thomists made Thomism out to be.

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He says that Thomism is closer to Byzantine theology than the later Thomists made Thomism out to be.
That’s possible. This isn’t my area of expretise. However, I have no doubt that MODERN EO polemics like to exaggerate differences where there are none. I wonder when Thomism became anathema among the EO. Or perhaps polemical EO’xy is simply not representative of true EO’xy.
My son wants some “funny faces” on this post:

😃 :mad: :rolleyes: 😊
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Blessings
 
The priest at the first UGCC I went to was a Dominican. He is an American with a Ukrainian surname. He says that Thomism is closer to Byzantine theology than the later Thomists made Thomism out to be.

My son wants some “funny faces” on this post:

😃 :mad: :rolleyes: 😊
I for one completely agree with that priest. “Thomism” as written by St. Thomas Aquinas (if it can really be called Thomism at all, since really he was more of a pan-Patristic theologian who used Aristotlean terminology) was actually heavily influenced by Eastern Fathers, perhaps moreso than any other Latin theologian in history.

Later Thomists turned his writings into a systematic thing, and approached questions from a much different angle than St. Thomas himself (he was big on contemplative prayer and meditation, and could be considered a mystic with a knack for utilizing philosophical and scientific terminology to express mystical reality).

That being said, I also think Mardukm’s point has merit. Thomism, and Scholasticism in general, was a big hitter in Eastern Orthodox theology until the Neo-Palamite movement of the past century or so. 🤷

Personally I have no problems rectifying to the two theological approaches, and I find them much easier to reconcile than most other Latin approaches and Eastern Orthodoxy (many great Eastern Orthodox theologians felt the same way, which is why the Summa was translated into Greek after the big breach post-Council of Florence. 🙂

Now I should read the article! 😛

Peace and God bless!
 
I for one completely agree with that priest. “Thomism” as written by St. Thomas Aquinas (if it can really be called Thomism at all, since really he was more of a pan-Patristic theologian who used Aristotlean terminology) was actually heavily influenced by Eastern Fathers, perhaps moreso than any other Latin theologian in history.

Later Thomists turned his writings into a systematic thing, and approached questions from a much different angle than St. Thomas himself (he was big on contemplative prayer and meditation, and could be considered a mystic with a knack for utilizing philosophical and scientific terminology to express mystical reality).

That being said, I also think Mardukm’s point has merit. Thomism, and Scholasticism in general, was a big hitter in Eastern Orthodox theology until the Neo-Palamite movement of the past century or so. 🤷

Personally I have no problems rectifying to the two theological approaches, and I find them much easier to reconcile than most other Latin approaches and Eastern Orthodoxy (many great Eastern Orthodox theologians felt the same way, which is why the Summa was translated into Greek after the big breach post-Council of Florence. 🙂

Now I should read the article! 😛

Peace and God bless!
Hi Ghosty,

Could you guys give us some examples of this influence in Orthodoxy pre-Neo-Palamite movement?

Thanks.
 
Dear brother Chrisb,
Could you guys give us some examples of this influence in Orthodoxy pre-Neo-Palamite movement?
The article actually has some great examples. I think another one that immediately comes to mind is the Confession of Dositheus at the Council of Jerusalem. It was certainly scholastic and considered a benchmark of Orthodoxy at the time, but strangely lost much of its lustre among modern EO’xy. The anti-Thomist movement seems to be a rather late development within EO’xy. It seems polemicists want to rewrite the history of EO’xy for their own gain. As I stated earlier, I have to wonder if polemical EO’xy is actually representative of true and historic EO’xy.

Blessings
 
Hi Ghosty,

Could you guys give us some examples of this influence in Orthodoxy pre-Neo-Palamite movement?

Thanks.
I second Mardukm’s recommendation to check out the article, which I just finished. It gives a handful of examples, such as the one I mentioned before of Aquinas’ works being translated into Greek by the Patriarch of Constantinople, post-Florence. It also gives examples of various Athonite theologians utilizing Aquinas in their arguments against Muslims and pagans.

Patriarch Gennadios Scholarios (the one who translated the Summa, and ironically also the one who overturned his Church’s agreement with the Council of Florence) even said that in the points where the Latin and Greek theology agree (i.e. not in things like the filioque), Aquinas is the best theological proponent the Faith has seen. He said this even over prominent Eastern theologians. :eek:

Again, check out the article since it gives the examples better than I could (it even gave some that I didn’t know of). 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
I just had an epiphany of sorts. It seems modern polemical EO’xy sometimes decries the Union of Brest as a move away from traditional EO’xy. But what if the Fathers of the Union TRULY understood that there was not as much separating EO’xy in their day as EO polemicists like to portray in modern times? Modern EO polemicists like to claim that the Confession of Dositheus, with its obvious scholastic spirit, was an isolated intrusion of Latinism into EO’xy. But what if, rather, the scholasticism reflected in that Confession was actually and simply carrying on the genuine Eastern Orthodox Tradition?

I have always wondered why there is such a chasm between the appreciation for philosophy evident among the early Fathers (even as late as the time of the Damascene) and the viewpoint of many EO polemicists today who take every opportunity to demean philosophy.

As a Copt, whose own Tradition has certainly retained the same appreciation for phiIosophy that one finds among the Latins, I feel blessed to find that EO’xy after the Great Schism still retained the historic and patristic appreciation for Greek philosophy that is evident among the Fathers (especially the Alexandrian Fathers). Knowing this, I do feel a greater kinship with EO’xy than I ever have before. I had heretofore been so discouraged by the garbage coming from EO polemicists that demeaned the philosophical heritage of the Fathers. Now, I feel even greater hope that reunion can occur among all the great Apostolic Churches of Christendom.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
I don’t know if this has ever been introduced in the ECF before, but here is a very interesting article about the Thomism of the EOC during the time of the Council of Florence. I thought it would be of interest to our Byzantine members. It should hold equal interest for Thomists such as brother Ghosty:

balkanstudies.org/1998/barber.htm

Blessings,
Marduk
Interesting. Very interesting to me since I am likely to go Eastern and I most definately a Thomist - at least on predestination.
 
That’s possible. This isn’t my area of expretise. However, I have no doubt that MODERN EO polemics like to exaggerate differences where there are none. I wonder when Thomism became anathema among the EO.
When looking closely, I have noticed that “Thomist”, "Scholastic, and “Latin” all get used pretty interchangeably - without real reference to their original meanings - in most polemic lit I have read. One would think every “Latin” is a “Scholastic”… but even what THAT would mean…? Honestly, as far as I can gather, it is ultimately just shorthand for most writers who are meaning to say “Those lousy Catholics”… Call someone a “scholastic” long enough, see what happens.

I long suspect that the demonization of Aquinas in some polemic circles is part and parcel of writing off any Western theological synthesis. One that is written in Latin, uses so much greek philosophy and patristics? To admit the genius of it would be to “offer quarter” to “The Latins” and that is something the most diehard polemicist would NEVER wish to do.

When one starts to contemplate the Greek patristics that serve as the formative seed bed of the Angelic Doctor’s writings… One is left to wonder how can it NOT be something of interest to the East.

Eastern Catholic blogger Ruskij Sion writes a brief post worth reading: Aquinas, a Light to the East?

Take the ten minutes needed to read it. It is worth it.
 
When looking closely, I have noticed that “Thomist”, "Scholastic, and “Latin” all get used pretty interchangeably - without real reference to their original meanings - in most polemic lit I have read. One would think every “Latin” is a “Scholastic”… but even what THAT would mean…? Honestly, as far as I can gather, it is ultimately just shorthand for most writers who are meaning to say “Those lousy Catholics”… Call someone a “scholastic” long enough, see what happens.

I long suspect that the demonization of Aquinas in some polemic circles is part and parcel of writing off any Western theological synthesis. One that is written in Latin, uses so much greek philosophy and patristics? To admit the genius of it would be to “offer quarter” to “The Latins” and that is something the most diehard polemicist would NEVER wish to do.

When one starts to contemplate the Greek patristics that serve as the formative seed bed of the Angelic Doctor’s writings… One is left to wonder how can it NOT be something of interest to the East.

Eastern Catholic blogger Ruskij Sion writes a brief post worth reading: Aquinas, a Light to the East?

Take the ten minutes needed to read it. It is worth it.
Interesting article. I tend to agree with the points of it, especially that Aquinas actually serves as a bridge between East and West. His reliance on Greek Fathers, almost the detriment of the Latin Fathers, is very obvious for those of us who study the Summas directly.

The article brings up another point that is worth considering: when St. Thomas’ works have been promoted in the East, reunion has often followed. Whether this is viewed as a kind of brainwashing, or bridgebuilding, it’s something to think about (and study, since I don’t know much about this claim) when evaluating the status of Aquinas in the East today.

Peace and God bless!
 
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