Those Against Capital Punishment, Against War But FOR ABORTION?

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I don’t know about all of you guys. But I know that I was educated in a Catholic School in the 1970’s and there was no condemnation of birth control. I only had my parents teaching to go on. I will never forget how my mother stated that the Church was not going to tell her she had to have more children. If the Church wants more children let the Church support them. She also went to the Priest to ask if she could use the pill and the Priest told her it was permissible. So this was my only formation in birth control. It wasn’t until after going through years of hell, failed birth control and abortions that I had a major conversion and learned the truth about birth control. Since than I only use NFP. I am going to be certain that my children are taught the truth that the world doesn’t want them to know. That sex outside of marriage is wrong and that artificial contraception is wrong. This will hopefully save them from the hell that I have had to go through in my journey.
We must insist that our Bishop and Priest get backbones and stand up against the culture of death. They have to be made aware of how many people support the views of the magisterium of the Church.

As far as the death penalty goes it was on it way out before the Supreme Court sanctioned murder. There were fewer States in the 1960 with the death penalty than there is now. I even remember that the death penalty wasn’t brought back in my state until either the late 1970’s or early 1980’s. So Pope Paul the VI was right when he stated that birth control would lead to more assults on life in Humane Vitea.

I wonder how many people in this nation know that no Christian chruch sanction birth control until the 1930’s when it was sanctioned by Angelican and Espiscopial church?
 
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MommaKat:
I don’t know about all of you guys. But I know that I was educated in a Catholic School in the 1970’s and there was no condemnation of birth control.
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I graduated in 1967 from Catholic High Shool, and we knew and were taught that birth control was wrong. We then went to college and the whole women’s movement caught our attention. I am sorry to say many lost their faith in that movement.

I thank God my parents gave me a good example of raising children and not worshipping money. I thank God that I have my children.
 
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I graduated in 1967 from Catholic High Shool, and we knew and were taught that birth control was wrong. We then went to college and the whole women’s movement caught our attention. I am sorry to say many lost their faith in that movement.
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This is how fast this became normalized I graduated in 1979. The schools had already stop teaching birth control was wrong.
 
Thanks for sharing your story, MommaKat! Such a terrible shame!
My parents are both in their early 50s. My mother, praise God, was properly catechized on NFP and ABC, but my father received no instruction. Thankfully, Dad was totally receptive and they have set a tremendous example for us kids. I would not have known if it wasn’t for their example; no one else ever mentioned it.

I think there is a change taking place, though, because many of my peers (early 20s) at least know of the teaching. Now we just have to get them to understand and agree with it!
 
This logic does make some sense, if you look at it a certain way. The government has all of the power to declare a war or not to declare a war. The government also has all of the power to execute criminals or not execute criminals. However, the government does not really have the power to prevent abortions, even if they make abortion illegal. Women can always travel to another country or get the right drug, etc. I think that this is how a lot of people look at it, whether they are personally against abortion or not.

As far as voting is concerned, in the last election, I couldn’t consider any of these when I was voting. The reason is that I just didn’t know what their positions were on these issues. We were electing a lot of city council people, etc. I looked all over the internet, and I simply couldn’t find anything that said what these people thought about abortion. I do prefer anti-abortion people, if I can find such a person on the ballot.

I think that it is a lot more complicated than just telling someone that they are guilty of a sin if they vote for the “wrong” candidate. After all, it says in the Catholic Cathecism that we are supposed to vote.
 
There are some people who are against capital punishment and war because they respect human life and the right to life of all people, but don’t see a fetus in the womb as a person or a human life. Basically, the problem here is that they think they have the right to judge what is and what is not a person, and their criteria has something to do with being viable (being able to live outside the mother) or having feeling or intelligence or something like that. These people are playing God.

Sometimes it is because they want abortion to be allowed because they know someone who had one, and hence they convince themselves that the child wasn’t really a human life. For some, it might just be because they never recieved any instruction and just made decisions for themselves (or decided to believe what man’s law says, in some countries where a child is not recognised as a human life before 20 weeks since conception).

The way to respond to these people is to ask them where they draw the line. What about an 8 and a half month old child, soon to be born? Of course that is a person. So where do they draw the line? Isn’t it important to have an exact time about this, not just say ‘sometime in the third trimester’ because then you are not sure whether it is ok or not to kill someone. And ask, why is being able to feel/think/live on your own so important? Does this mean an autistic person is not really a person because their emotions aren’t fully developed? Does this mean that a spastic or mentally retarded person is not a person because they don’t have as much intelligence as other people? Does this mean an old person in a nursing home is not a person because they can’t survive if left to themselves without any outside help? Or an astronaut because he is totally dependant on his spaceship to survive?

Hopefully you can bring them to the conclusion that the only place we can really draw the line about when someone is a person is at their conception, the beginning of their existence. Like Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you…”
And then, because these people really do respect life (hence their anti-war stance, even if a bit overzealous), and they can no longer deny that a child in the womb is a person, then they will no longer support abortion.

Well, thats how it works in the textbooks anyway. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to make any converts to the pro-life side yet.
 
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There are some people who are against capital punishment and war because they respect human life and the right to life of all people, but don’t see a fetus in the womb as a person or a human life. Basically, the problem here is that they think they have the right to judge what is and what is not a person, and their criteria has something to do with being viable (being able to live outside the mother) or having feeling or intelligence or something like that. These people are playing God.
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Which would make them not all that different psychologically from a serial killer.
 
I actually had a handicapped (deaf from birth) person tell me he thought abortion was OK because the child would not survive outside the womb, and upon questioning also said that he thought babies weren’t “people” yet either.

I wanted to ask him if he thought the deaf ought to be considered people.
 
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