Those Homosexual Animals

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Please, not another NARTH hack. C’mon. At least post something with a .edu domain.
I request that you do not refer to information that you do not agree with as “hack”. You may be advised that whatever information is available that is available as it regards homosexuality has been stifled by homosexuals attempting to propagate propganda and until then NARTH, The Catholic Medical Association, and other organizations you may not agree with will be used…they are as hack as the APA. I refer you to this site for a refresher…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=769113

The Reformation for Secular Homosexual thinking:hey_bud:
 
The same definition that you have.

The ability to reason, worship, calculate, discuss etc.
This is impossible.

You say birds are dumb animals. I don’t believe that. Explain what you mean by dumb?
 
I often see Homosexual sympathizers and those propagating Homosexuality as evident in the Animal Kingdom when reading about attempts to normalize the Homosexual life.

Homosexuality exists in many types of animal types. My usual response is that animals exhibit at best Adolescent behavior and that to conclude that adolescent behavior should be our model for human behavior makes no sense.

I am of the belief that there is no such thing as fixed behavior and it appears that in the animal kingdom this is true. If this is true in the animal kingdom then it is true for humans. There is no such thing as fixed behavior.

companionanimalsolutions.com/blogs/modern-animal-behavior-a-lot-has-changed-in-the-last-few-decades/
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      You do not believe in Fixed Behavior ?       Surely you Jest...
William Glasser, M.D. approaches problems in life with his Choice Theory and Reality Therapy. I do not necessarily accept all he writes or agree with all he writes however when considering behavior and choice…

wglasser.com/the-glasser-approach/choice-theory

If no behavior is fixed, and the animal kingdom is representative of that truth, all we do is behave, we choose our behavior, our acting and thinking are linked to our feeling and physiology then no behavior is fixed.

In our heads we think and feel. We have at our disposal memory and imagination. We can only behave in acting and speaking. We can choose to modify our thoughts and feelings and also to speak and act and therefore modify our behavior…

To have dominion over the animal Kingdom suggests that we should recognize that accepting fixed behavior makes us lower than the animals and that cannot be.

Thoughts?😃
You do not Believe in Fixed Behavior. ? Surely you Jest ..
 
Are you serious? Name one bird that has written poetry, designed a philosophical proof, worshiped God.
You do realize that in the history of humans writing and philosophical proofs in general are relatively new right?
No gay gene has been found.

What has been found is early childhood trauma, absent father, and feminizing mothers all contribute. Thus a male does not fully express his masculinity. Conversion therapy helps those that desire to maximize their masculine expression to do so. We need to quit the PC attitude and put some research dollars into helping this occur to those who want it.
And what about people with none of those factors?

The problem of this whole “express his masculinity” thing is that what it puts forward as masculinity is modern societal construct.
 
You do realize that in the history of humans writing and philosophical proofs in general are relatively new right?

And what about people with none of those factors?

The problem of this whole “express his masculinity” thing is that what it puts forward as masculinity is modern societal construct.
From what I understand they all have one or another.
 
You do realize that in the history of humans writing and philosophical proofs in general are relatively new right?

And what about people with none of those factors?

The problem of this whole “express his masculinity” thing is that what it puts forward as masculinity is modern societal construct.
The ability to record what we do is relatively new. The ability to Feel/Imagine/Think/Remember and Act/Speak are not new.

When was the first written recording of the need to eat?

When was the first moment that it was realized we need to eat?

Recipes for tortillas were recorded long after the ability to make a tortilla existed.
 
What is your point? Do you think there will come a time when a bird will suddenly have a rational soul?
Point point is that most of humanity was excluded.
From what I understand they all have one or another.
Many don’t. One of the major reasons it seems like all have one is that nearly all humans think they meet at least one given enough self doubt.
The ability to record what we do is relatively new. The ability to Feel/Imagine/Think/Remember and Act/Speak are not new.

When was the first written recording of the need to eat?

When was the first moment that it was realized we need to eat?

Recipes for tortillas were recorded long after the ability to make a tortilla existed.
Two of those three are products of an agrarian society.
 
Point point is that most of humanity was excluded.

Many don’t. One of the major reasons it seems like all have one is that nearly all humans think they meet at least one given enough self doubt.

Two of those three are products of an agrarian society.
Most of humanity is not excluded. Humans can reason.
 
Point point is that most of humanity was excluded.

Many don’t. One of the major reasons it seems like all have one is that nearly all humans think they meet at least one given enough self doubt.
The ability to record what we do is relatively new. The ability to Feel/Imagine/Think/Remember and Act/Speak are not new.
When was the first written recording of the need to eat?
When was the first moment that it was realized we need to eat?
Recipes for tortillas were recorded long after the ability to make a tortilla existed.
you say…
Two of those three are products of an agrarian society.
and this means what to you in the context of doing and recording?
 
Most of humanity is not excluded. Humans can reason.
Historically most of humanity was illiterate meaning no writing and most of them were more worried about survival than philosophy. In this way much of the people who lived and died are excluded.
you say…

and this means what to you in the context of doing and recording?
Most people throughout history were incapable of doing 2/3 of what was said.
 
Historically most of humanity was illiterate meaning no writing and most of them were more worried about survival than philosophy. In this way much of the people who lived and died are excluded.
You do realize that in the history of humans writing and philosophical proofs in general are relatively new right?
Your original point that recording was new…
Most people throughout history were incapable of doing 2/3 of what was said.
Recording may be new but activity is not new and your point here leaves me sallow for a satisfying response to the notion that what we do is not new and what is recorded is new.
 
What behavior is it you believe is fixed?
FAP’s exist in animals, and to a lesser extent in humans, especially as they mature. You could make a case that infants exhibit some fixed behaviors, but those quickly become plastic.

However, your argument fails overall until you can show that human sexual orientation, not only behavior, is subject to voluntary modification. The reason that anti-gay Christians are losing the argument daily, is that they keep trying to focus on behavior, instead of the more important issue of sexual orientation. Hence, their opinion is dismissed as largely irrelevant to the discussion.

There are a handful of practitioners who claim to be able to re-orient a person’s sexuality. These people are so far on the fringe, that they are not taken seriously by their professional peers. Indeed, in some cases they are ostracized for being harmful to patients.

I agree with you that animal behavior, while instructive in many ways, is rarely directly analogous to human behavior, and particularly to human sexuality. Primates are the closest, for obvious reasons. I think there are examples among geese of same gender couples, who tend to pair up for life.

I know that this is a favorite topic of yours, but if you hope to convince anyone of anything, then you should probably change your focus, and come up with a new approach.
 
FAP’s exist in animals, and to a lesser extent in humans, especially as they mature. You could make a case that infants exhibit some fixed behaviors, but those quickly become plastic.

However, your argument fails overall until you can show that human sexual orientation, not only behavior, is subject to voluntary modification. The reason that anti-gay Christians are losing the argument daily, is that they keep trying to focus on behavior, instead of the more important issue of sexual orientation. Hence, their opinion is dismissed as largely irrelevant to the discussion.

There are a handful of practitioners who claim to be able to re-orient a person’s sexuality. These people are so far on the fringe, that they are not taken seriously by their professional peers. Indeed, in some cases they are ostracized for being harmful to patients.

I agree with you that animal behavior, while instructive in many ways, is rarely directly analogous to human behavior, and particularly to human sexuality. Primates are the closest, for obvious reasons. I think there are examples among geese of same gender couples, who tend to pair up for life.

I know that this is a favorite topic of yours, but if you hope to convince anyone of anything, then you should probably change your focus, and come up with a new approach.
Thus spoke Zarathustra and now Epan…

You don’t have to like my approach, you don’t have to like my focus, you don’t have to read these posts nor respond…vote with your post…don’t…

Concerning change you have an opinion.

and we shall now wait for Phil Marinus to respond
 
That’s a disgusting twist of what they’re saying.

Humans are a -species- of animal.

If you demonstrated that you know how species work- don’t get me wrong- you would know that they’re referring to the human race.
Dogs are animals. Cats are animals. That doesn’t mean the two are the same species. It means they’re of the same kingdom.
If animals engage in gay behavior, they are a different species than humans. So to compare them to humans would be contradicting what you’re saying here. In other words, it would be a “disgusting twist” of logic.
Go educate yourself more about zoology before you make such a crass and misinformed statement.
Animals who are apart of traditional family units do better. Lions, hyenas, apes, jackals, wild dogs, wolves, etc. are all better off as a family than if they were alone to fend for themselves.

So if you want to relate animals to humans (even though you’ve already admitted there is little relevance there, since the two are different species altogether), then we must also account for the importance of the traditional family unit in humans as well, as it is ordered towards life and survival and overall better well-being.
 
However, your argument fails overall until you can show that human sexual orientation, not only behavior, is subject to voluntary modification.
The reason that anti-gay Christians are losing the argument daily, is that they keep trying to focus on behavior, instead of the more important issue of sexual orientation. Hence, their opinion is dismissed as largely irrelevant to the discussion.
First of all, opposing so-called “gay marriage” is not anti-gay. There are numerous GLBTQ folks who oppose it as well.

Secondly, arguing on the basis of behaviour changes the debate entirely, especially in the secular realm. The best case here is that the 14 Amendment, for instance, doesn’t regulate behaviors, as Jason Lewis says *ad naseum.
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Frankly, the reason why those opposed to so-called “gay marriage” are not winning is because the First World education system and media is practically run by progressives and their arguments are Biblical instead of Constitutional.

Most people don’t seem to realize that there is no Constitutional “right” to marriage for anyone, and the exact working of the Constitution leaves family law up to the states like everything else in the Constitution.

As Jason Lewis notes: “You’ve got a better argument for doing heroin than for gay marriage regarding the Constitution” because the changes impact both the tax code and religious liberties.

Simply having your favourite gay couple waltz off into the sunset doesn’t even scratch the surface as to what this is all really about.

And that’s a big, big problem.
There are a handful of practitioners who claim to be able to re-orient a person’s sexuality. These people are so far on the fringe, that they are not taken seriously by their professional peers.
Both them and yourself (by how you conduct this part of your post) fail to realize that some people may not be entirely gay or straight. They might be bi or in some other gray area.

It’s really not that surprising to me, given the garbage in the media and what types of hormones are freely floating in our natural environment.

Gay conversion therapy works for some people and for others it doesn’t.

No one who is genuinely gay should be forced to pretend to be someone they are not, but once again, the agenda of those (who are now mostly straight) gets in the way of the person who is struggling.
Indeed, in some cases they are ostracized for being harmful to patients.
Because they don’t support an agenda. We see that a lot in environmental circles with the “global warming” nonsense. :rolleyes:
I agree with you that animal behavior, while instructive in many ways, is rarely directly analogous to human behavior, and particularly to human sexuality. Primates are the closest, for obvious reasons. I think there are examples among geese of same gender couples, who tend to pair up for life.
That’s irrelevant and just more of that “pick and choose” from the progressive playbook.

Some animals also eat their young. Should we then make it legal for those body parts in Gosnell’s freezer to be on the menu?

Really, why stop there? There’s lots of behaviour in the animal kingdom that humans should not do.
but if you hope to convince anyone of anything, then you should probably change your focus, and come up with a new approach.
I think the best way for us to convince people is on the basis of natural law, common sense and economics.
 
Humans are smart animals.
Birds are dumb animals.
Both are animals.
Actually, animals are probably a lot smarter than most people give them credit for. I’ve dissected a few across the animal kingdom and some of the neural matter to body mass ratios are surprising.

The same can be said for infants and small children. I think a lot of parents in particular underestimate what their kids pick up on.
then we must also account for the importance of the traditional family unit in humans as well, as it is ordered towards life and survival and overall better well-being.
What’s interesting about those animals is their position on the food chain.
 
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