Those who always kneel for Holy Communion

[TNT]

pnewton:

Sooooo, Jesus was wrong?

Of course not. Peter gave us the equivocation, or exception to the rule, remember?
“We ought to obey God RATHER than man.” when the two appear in conflict.
Just for kicks, and my edification:
What disciplines in the last 40 years have been introduced by the USCCB that objectively, impress, give priority to, or increase liturgical or ecclesial piety and reverence? Or, emphasize catholic “Lex Orandi Lex Credendi”.
I’d really be interested to know.

 

[Marie]

jlw:

All this is getting out of hand.

Jesus is probably more concerned with “the flow” of the line going up to recieve him than anything else! Hey, isn’t there something about “more efficiency” and “bad knees” in his Sermon on the Mount??

Seriously, folks, let’s put this to bed. I love you all. My parish priest allows kneeling. Your church prefers you stand. Either-either, neither-neither, let’s call the whole thing off.

Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ, forever and ever.

AMEN.

Yep! I agree. Personally, I love the communion rail and all the bells and whistles…BUT, I bow to authority as Rome has instructed us to do.

Redemptionis Sacramentum

[90.] “The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined”, with its acts having received the recognitio of the Apostolic See

The Conference of Bishops of the United States

The new edition of the General Instruction asks the Conference of Bishops in each country to determine the posture to be used for the reception of Communion and the act of reverence to be made by each person as he or she receives Communion. The Conference of Bishops of the United States has determined that in this country Communion will be received standing and that a bow will be the act of reverence made by those receiving. These norms may require some adjustment on the part of those who have been used to other practices, however the significance of unity in posture and gesture as a symbol of our unity as members of the one body of Christ should be the governing factor in our own actions.

End of story.

 

[Marie]

TNT:

Of course not. Peter gave us the equivocation, or exception to the rule, remember?
“We ought to obey God RATHER than man.” when the two appear in conflict.
Just for kicks, and my edification:
What disciplines in the last 40 years have been introduced by the USCCB that objectively, impress, give priority to, or increase liturgical or ecclesial piety and reverence? Or, emphasize catholic “Lex Orandi Lex Credendi”.
I’d really be interested to know.

Maybe they should start re-educating Catholics about APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. That would be a help. Seem’s everyone thinks he is his own Pope/Bishop/Priest now days.

 

[TNT]

Mysty101:

See how rediculous you are??? How do you expect to be taken seriously when you compare some outrageous abuse to an approved norm?

Wouldn’t it be much less polemic to say:
See how what you say is so rediculous? I don’t believe you know whether he is “rediculous” as a person. Or do you?
Regardless, most abuses eventually become a norm in some fashion. Some just take a little longer for the obedient to digest and not throw up.

 

[CreosMary]

I attend the Norvus ordo Catholic Mass and I always kneel for Holy Communion. It is an option allowed for any who feel the desire. The Holy Father has also warned Priests not to refuse a communicant who chooses to kneel.
We dont have altar rails in the Cathedral, but many kneel anyway, and at my parish I am the only one who does and the parish priest does not have a problem with it so why do so many posters have a problem?
I am not to judge, you can kneel, stand or sit if in a wheelchair as long as you are recieving Our lord, thats what counts dont you think?:banghead:

 

[TNT]

Marie:

Maybe they should start re-educating Catholics about APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. That would be a help. Seem’s everyone thinks he is his own Pope/Bishop/Priest now days.

That was the answer to my inquiry on the edicts of the USCCB??
I follow my priest and bishop. Bishop says “TLM will be in my diocese.” I go to it and support the purpose of his command…attend it, even when it’s way overcrowded.
Priest says, "we only kneel at the TLM **** Holy Communion**", I obey.
Bishop says “the GIRM is not applicable to the TLM.” I obey.
See? Perfect obedience…and Germ free. USCCB free. Abuse free.

**

 

[Marie]

**That was the answer to my inquiry on the edicts of the USCCB??
I follow my priest and bishop. Bishop says “TLM will be in my diocese.” I go to it and support the purpose of his command…attend it.
Priest says, “we only kneel at the TLM”, I obey.
Bishop says “the GIRM is not applicable to the TLM Holy Communion.” I obey.
See? Perfect obedience…and Germ free.

**

:clapping:

 

[Marie]

CreosMary:

I attend the Norvus ordo Catholic Mass and I always kneel for Holy Communion. It is an option allowed for any who feel the desire. The Holy Father has also warned Priests not to refuse a communicant who chooses to kneel.
We dont have altar rails in the Cathedral, but many kneel anyway, and at my parish I am the only one who does and the parish priest does not have a problem with it so why do so many posters have a problem?
I am not to judge, you can kneel, stand or sit if in a wheelchair as long as you are recieving Our lord, thats what counts dont you think?:banghead:

Yep! If the Priest doesn’t have a problem with it…Go for it!

I only have problems with the constant whining…

 

[Melissa]

On genuflecting when passing in front of the Tabernacle–our altarboys are trained to do that, and do so except for when they’re carrying things that would make it unsafe (open flame, for example). And yes, our parish priest only allows altar boys and I will firmly support him in that (I’ve only got one serving, but the next one will be making his First Communion in a little over a year [May is the month for that], and new altar boys can start in the fall after their First Communion). The only people I see not genuflecting are the ones using walkers, and I am sure that those who require walking aids aren’t required to genuflect.

 

[Mysty101]

That was the answer to my inquiry on the edicts of the USCCB??
I follow my priest and bishop. Bishop says “TLM will be in my diocese.” I go to it and support the purpose of his command…attend it, even when it’s way overcrowded.
Priest says, "we only kneel at the TLM **** Holy Communion**", I obey.
Bishop says “the GIRM is not applicable to the TLM.” I obey.
See? Perfect obedience…and Germ free. USCCB free. Abuse free. **

Must you always shout?

I have no problem with kneeling at a TLM. I do agree that the standing norm would not apply in this situation. If you attend Mass in a standing Parish with no provisions for kneeling, what do you do?

 

[pgoings]

Mysty,

There are still a couple of questions from yesterday which you didn’t reply to. Is an answer forthcoming?

–Paul

 

[Mysty101]

pgoings:

Mysty,

There are still a couple of questions from yesterday which you didn’t reply to. Is an answer forthcoming?

–Paul

I must have missed them in the mix—Would you care to repost, and also respond to my responses, even if it was not your post?

I did try to clarify my position in a new poll, if you care to look there.

 

[pnewton]

TNT:

Of course not. Peter gave us the equivocation, or exception to the rule, remember?
“We ought to obey God RATHER than man.” when the two appear in conflict.

I agree Jesus laid down the principle to which common sense dictates Peter’s exception. I just do not think it is applicable here, kneeling/standing vs. crucifying Jesus and apostacy. There is a quantum difference and exceptional circumstances should not apply. That is just an opinion. Others may see deicide on the same level as standing for communion.

You at least acknowledge the need of respect for those in authority over us (and obedience, with exceptional circumstances sometimes). Disrespect for the Holy Father, his bishops and priests are one thing that everyone should refrain from. These people are my family and I get very protective of my family.

 

[fix]

Mysty101:

Not true—the GIRM was approved without the stipulations.

However the GIRM was approved it is interepreted by the proper authorities as has been shown. The litugical regulations in the GIRM must be interpreted by the proper authorities. We should obey the Vatican who has the proper authority. We should not hold the faithful to a standard the Church has not imposed.

This is not a legalistic game where we pick and choose the authority we agree with. The legitimate authority is Rome.

 

[Nota_Bene]

Brendan:

NB,

What exactly is your ‘Poppycock’ refering to? Was it “No Bishop has the authority to override the Vatican?”

Is that your premise? That a Bishop does, in fact, have the authority to override the Vatican?

Both the GIRM and RS have been approved by “the Vatican.” Next?

 

[Nota_Bene]

Brendan:

NB,

What exactly is your ‘Poppycock’ refering to? Was it “No Bishop has the authority to override the Vatican?”

Is that your premise? That a Bishop does, in fact, have the authority to override the Vatican?

Both the GIRM and RS were approved by “the Vatican.” Next?

 

[Nota_Bene]

CreosMary:

I attend the Norvus ordo Catholic Mass and I always kneel for Holy Communion. It is an option allowed for any who feel the desire. The Holy Father has also warned Priests not to refuse a communicant who chooses to kneel.

We dont have altar rails in the Cathedral, but many kneel anyway, and at my parish I am the only one who does and the parish priest does not have a problem with it so why do so many posters have a problem?
I am not to judge, you can kneel, stand or sit if in a wheelchair as long as you are recieving Our lord, thats what counts dont you think?:banghead:

Are you also receiving the pastoral counseling after Mass on how you should follow what the Church actually directs versus what you feel is “better?”

 

[fix]

Nota Bene:

Both the GIRM and RS were approved by “the Vatican.” Next?

Yes and the Vatican is the authentic interpreter.

 

[Brendan]

Mysty101:

Not true—the GIRM was approved without the stipulations.

Nope, the GIRM is the norm refered to in the letter from the CDW

"… while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops’ Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion

".

The Vatican is claiming that they gave their approval with the stipulation. You are claiming they did not.

Would you cite your source?

 

[Mysty101]

Brendan:

Nope, the GIRM is the norm refered to in the letter from the CDW

".

The Vatican is claiming that they gave their approval with the stipulation. You are claiming they did not.

Would you cite your source?

It was not stipulated in the GIRM, and a letter cannot override the law.