Those who always kneel for Holy Communion

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Mysty101:
It was not stipulated in the GIRM, and a letter cannot override the law.
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round and round…

The dicastery in question has the authority to interpret the GIRM. If you have a citation that refutes this please give it.
 
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Mysty101:
It was not stipulated in the GIRM, and a letter cannot override the law.
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it is more than a letter, is a ruling on the law from a higher judge that you, I or any US Ordinary.
 
As I said, there is a question of whether RS (siigned by the Pope)can reprobrate the pouring of the Precious Blood which was an approved norm, so I think there may be some question of a letter overriding an approved norm.

Also the letter never said it was to be allowed—the wording was different. Perhaps there is a Canon lawyer who could give some (name removed by moderator)ut?
 
The letter specifically said that kneeling is not disobedient.

Are some saying RS does not need to be followed because the GIRM may say something conflicting? Keep in mind the law is at the service of the truth and the Pope has wide ranging authority.
 
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Mysty101:
I am quoting the GIRM
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The problem seems to be whose arbitrary choice and whose private judgement. I haven’t seen any document anywhere that said that we should stand to receive Communion – but, for that matter, I can’t say I’ve seen a document that ever said we should kneel to receive Communion, either. It should be noted that conservative Lutherans to this day come forward to a Communion rail and kneel to receive what they consider Communion – which says that the posture dates back at least before the Council of Trent.

What good of the people is denied by having people kneel at a Communion rail? I’m a post-Vatican Catholic, but even I can see how reverence in church has declined sharply during my lifetime. Jesus isn’t just our buddy who has a lot of wisdom to teach us, and Mass isn’t just about all of us getting together and singing about how wonderful it is that we got together. Jesus is God as well as Man, and Mass is about worshiping God our Creator, our Redeemer, and our Judge. Warm fuzzies won’t do a lot of good on Judgement Day, and I hate to think who all we’ll see wearing millstones …

So basically, I have no problem with people who receive kneeling, and no problem with people who receive RESPECTFULLY standing. It’s the ones who take Communion like it’s the latest giveaway at Burger King (or worse, like it’s a cookie at a cocktail party) that get my goat. That, and liturgical advisors that arrange the Communion lines so there’s no discreet way to step aside and absorb what I’ve just received a moment before I return to my seat (or worse yet, run into the EM distributing the Blood).

sigh I guess I’m done ranting now .

Cynthia
 
The G.I.R.M. does not mention “talking in Church before, during and after Mass”, but Redemptionis Sacramentum certainly does, but the bishops and priests in the three dioceses that I travel to don’t care one bit about that problem. So why are they so concerned about Catholics kneeling? They have just about eliminated kneeling during Mass as it is.
 
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ChibiBarako:
So basically, I have no problem with people who receive kneeling, and no problem with people who receive RESPECTFULLY standing. It’s the ones who take Communion like it’s the latest giveaway at Burger King (or worse, like it’s a cookie at a cocktail party) that get my goat. That, and liturgical advisors that arrange the Communion lines so there’s no discreet way to step aside and absorb what I’ve just received a moment before I return to my seat (or worse yet, run into the EM distributing the Blood).
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When the kneeling vs standing issue came out a while back, I was involved in a discussion which included several very faithful priests and a bishop. All of them including the bishop agreed that the choice to have the people receive communion standing and make a profound bow as a sign of reverence was an attempt to try to instill some level of reverence to the Blessed Sacrament which many of the bishops noticed was lacking by a large percentage of people in the U.S. Church today.
This bishop and several others that I have heard on EWTN have agreed that in no way did they plan to restrict the right of the faithful to kneel, but were trying to get people to show at the very least some basic sign of reverence to our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
I don’t understand why so many people are so distressed by someone showing our Lord a tiny drop of the amount of adoration that he deserves by kneeling in His Presence to receive Him in Holy Communion. Perhaps this is their way of making reparation for all of those who have no respect or love for Him.
 
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ChibiBarako:
The problem seems to be whose arbitrary choice and whose private judgement. I haven’t seen any document anywhere that said that we should stand to receive Communion –
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Then you haven’t read the thread. Please do before you continue
 
D.O.M.:
When the kneeling vs standing issue came out a while back, I was involved in a discussion which included several very faithful priests and a bishop. All of them including the bishop agreed that the choice to have the people receive communion standing and make a profound bow as a sign of reverence was an attempt to try to instill some level of reverence to the Blessed Sacrament which many of the bishops noticed was lacking by a large percentage of people in the U.S. Church today.
This bishop and several others that I have heard on EWTN have agreed that in no way did they plan to restrict the right of the faithful to kneel, but were trying to get people to show at the very least some basic sign of reverence to our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
I don’t understand why so many people are so distressed by someone showing our Lord a tiny drop of the amount of adoration that he deserves by kneeling in His Presence to receive Him in Holy Communion. Perhaps this is their way of making reparation for all of those who have no respect or love for Him.
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Ahh, finally some wisdom and common sense. Those who want to label all kneelers as disobedient have their reasons. Wonder what they are?
 
D.O.M.:
When the kneeling vs standing issue came out a while back, I was involved in a discussion which included several very faithful priests and a bishop. All of them including the bishop agreed that the choice to have the people receive communion standing and make a profound bow as a sign of reverence was an attempt to try to instill some level of reverence to the Blessed Sacrament which many of the bishops noticed was lacking by a large percentage of people in the U.S. Church today.
This bishop and several others that I have heard on EWTN have agreed that in no way did they plan to restrict the right of the faithful to kneel, but were trying to get people to show at the very least some basic sign of reverence to our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
I don’t understand why so many people are so distressed by someone showing our Lord a tiny drop of the amount of adoration that he deserves by kneeling in His Presence to receive Him in Holy Communion. Perhaps this is their way of making reparation for all of those who have no respect or love for Him.
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Ahh, finally some wisdom and common sense. Those who want to label all kneelers as disobedient have their reasons. Wonder what they are? Particularly sense the Vatican says the opposite.
 
I am 33 yrs old and remember kneeling for at least 2 yrs to receive teh body of Jesus. My church now has reinstalled the alter rails and majority of people kneel to receive the Body, a few stand at the alter rail. I think the herd mentality to get the Body is more protestant in nature.
 
Protestant? Remember standing was the norm long before the protestants split.
 
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Mysty101:
I am still wondering—so far 22% of those who voted, voted to kneel always—Do all of this number attend a Parish where there are no provisions to kneel, and they have been instructed to stand? This is what I really want to know? How many people put their “inclination or arbitrary choice” ahead of the instructions in the GIRM?

If Rome is is so adament about allowing kneeling, they should not have approved the US adaptations.
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We have kneelers to receive communion. And it is a Novus Ordo Mass not a TLM.
 
An interesting thread… As a first post on the forum, I have to say that I’ve been through a number of “phases” where I have had thoughts akin to many of these themes. I was never “anti” Vatican II, but I have objected to many of the liturgical abuses that I’ve seen. (e.g. a priest dispensing with the abloutions, “liturgical dance”, etc.)
I’ve moved from that parish, but still find an ocasional glitch, and what I’ve noticed is that I’m distracted by these, and I have to pray my way back to a reverant attitude.
As far as postures for communion, I have experienced a number of forms:
  • St. James in Medjugorje had enough priests to go to groupings of 5 pews for “mini-processions” - no place to kneel.
  • St. Stephans in Vienna had communion rails - everybody knelt.
  • My parish where the general instruction is observed - no room to kneel, yet some genuflect before.
The point is that in all of these places, even Vienna where I didn’t understand a word of German, I knew I was a Catholic among Catholics and I knew I was receiving our Lord, Body Blood, Soul and Divinity! I believe that’s were our minds should be fixed, and minimizing the distractions is one of the purposes of the norm.
 
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