Those who did not sin. Romans 5:14

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But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.
Romans 5:14

Who are “those who did not sin”? And how does this relate to verse 12, “inasmuch as all sinned”?
 
From the Haydock - All were conceived and born in sin, in what we call original sin, and liable to death, even infants, who were not come to the use of reason, and consequently could not sin after the similitude of the transgression of Adam, or by imitating his sin, but were born in sin: and besides this, all manner of actual sins, which men committed by their own perverse will, reigned every where in the world.
 
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But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.
Romans 5:14

Who are “those who did not sin”? And how does this relate to verse 12, “inasmuch as all sinned”?
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His point is, not​

  • that there were people who did not sin
    but
  • that there were people who did not sin in the same manner as Adam did. - which is what “who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam” means. And even though they did not, they still died because of sin: just as Adam died because of sin. The result was the same for all - death: even though not all sinned in the same way as Adam.
    The emphasis in Paul’s argument is not on “those…sin” but on “after the pattern…Adam”. He is taking what he said about the universality of sin in chapter 3 further, by tracing its entry into the world to Adam, & taking that further. This part of the the letter proceeds to the end of 8, & then he narrows his focus, & picks up a thread he had laid aside, to consider the election of the Jews by God, & the scandal of their failure to recognise the Messiah. That takes up Romans 9 to 11. It’s a wonderfully constructed argument - a model of what theology should be.
Old-fashioned translations can tend to obscure what the Apostle is saying. I never understood this letter, or anything in St. Paul, until I read him in the New English Bible 🙂
 
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His point is, not​

  • that there were people who did not sin
    but
  • that there were people who did not sin in the same manner as Adam did. - which is what “who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam” means. And even though they did not, they still died because of sin: just as Adam died because of sin. The result was the same for all - death: even though not all sinned in the same way as Adam.
    The emphasis in Paul’s argument is not on “those…sin” but on “after the pattern…Adam”. He is taking what he said about the universality of sin in chapter 3 further, by tracing its entry into the world to Adam, & taking that further. This part of the the letter proceeds to the end of 8, & then he narrows his focus, & picks up a thread he had laid aside, to consider the election of the Jews by God, & the scandal of their failure to recognise the Messiah. That takes up Romans 9 to 11. It’s a wonderfully constructed argument - a model of what theology should be.
Old-fashioned translations can tend to obscure what the Apostle is saying. I never understood this letter, or anything in St. Paul, until I read him in the New English Bible 🙂
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I understand that language changes over time, but this would make sense to me if “after” was “according to.” Here, I believe that after has a temporal sense. If so, what you indicate then does not follow.
 
so your asking for reusable terary sences i suggest no diprivitionizm and take from evil why knows mabby then you will have so much pain you wish you werent gready
 
Is there a dupilicate thread on this, I thought I responded to this a day or so ago.
 
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