"Thou shalt not disapprove publicly of the homosexual lifestyle."

[TARRAT]

That’s all most LGBT people are asking for or promoting.You’re not really that naive are you?

 

[edwest2]

It’s called brainwashing.

thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/08/10775/

Peace,
Ed

 

[livingwordunity]

Or maybe the commandment is and should be “thou shalt leave LGBT people be and they should let you be”.

Tell that to the Catholic adoption agencies that were forced to close. We were all minding our own business when they picked a fight with us.

 

[Evan]

Hmmm… Kind of doubt they are coming to your door, calling you at home, or recruiting your children to the lifestyle. Look we all have things we’d rather our children not learn or emulate as parents, but wading through that is what being a parent is about.

Believe me the world is not going to end if LGBT aren’t bullied and allowed to go on with their lives like anyone else. That’s all most LGBT people are asking for or promoting.

No, they come to your school and you aren’t even aware of their recruiting your children to their lifestyle. As a parent, I’m responsible for their moral upbringing, some school administrator with an ax to grind.

 

[10gr8kids]

Just a question for anyone who would like to give their insight into this issue.

What are we, Catholics, to make of the pope’s comments “who are we to judge?” In regard to homosexuals? Would engaging in any public display of opposition to same sex relationships be judging? I don’t know the answer which is why I’d like (name removed by moderator)ut from all sides of this issue.

We can judge actions, right from wrong, we can not judge a person’s soul. For instance if someone kills another out of anger, we can know this is sinful, we can’t know or say they are condemned to hell. The same with homosexual actions, we can know it is wrong, but it is not our place but God’s to judge their soul. If someone repents, no matter how sinful their past, God will forgive.

This is my understanding between judging and teaching about right and wrong, they are not opposed.

 

[epan]

… As a Catholic YOU benefit from a Constitution written in a time where this country was easily as hostile to Catholics as many LGBT people have experienced. The wisdom shown in the formation of this country has allowed you to become a fuller person through your Catholic faith. Why not allow the same space for them?

I assure you, as much as I support the right of LGBT people to fully realize their lives and place in society, I also support any Church’s desire not to perform a same sex marriage if they so choose. Isn’t that nice how this all works?

Good point. From Wikipedia, ‘Historian Arthur Schlesinger Sr. has called Anti-Catholicism “the deepest-held bias in the history of the American people”.’

Hatred of Catholics was once widespread in the US, with prominent people even calling the Church, “the Whore of Babylon”.

It was the Constitutional protections, which eventually won out. Keep in mind, that many of the gay rights gains have been won on constitutional grounds, even in the conservative courts. Conservative presidents have been in office to appoint judges for 28 of the past 44 years. One would be hard pressed to make a convincing argument that the US judicial system is liberal on social justice issues. Just look at the rest of the modern world, if you want to compare where we stand.

 

[Jessie5000]

This is the secular “commandment” which has been imposed upon our culture by gay activists and our political leaders, who want us to proclaim their creed.

Like the high school student who stood up for what he believed when his teacher harassed him, Christians who are opposed to the same-sex lifestyle are called names and are blatantly disrespected, and are accused of not respecting LGTB needs for “equality”. We allow the distortions of language to shut us up.

"A Pulpit for Bullies"
lifesitenews.com/news/a-pulpit-for-bullies
… On October 20, 2011, the Gay Straight Alliance at Howell High School planned to take part in a national “campaign aimed at raising awareness of the bullying of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered youth.” The court acknowledges that the day is also called “Spirit Day,” which, the plaintiffs contended, is so-called to foster acceptance in the public schools of the homosexual lifestyle. The Gay Straight Alliance made up flyers to be posted all around the school, urging students to wear purple on that day as a sign of their solidarity with homosexual teenagers. The principal approved the flyer.

… McDowell says that he told Glowacki that it was all right if his religion said that homosexual behavior was wrong, but that Glowacki could not say that in class.

… There are two points I wish to make. The first is that the superintendent’s ironical insight did not go nearly far enough—the bullying was not limited to that incident in the classroom. The second is that the state is acting as a church, engaged in catechesis.

… What gives these schools the right to engage in that catechesis? The business of the public school is akin to the business of a group of tutors hired by a group of parents. It has become, instead, the business of a group of self-imagined forward-thinking missionaries introducing students to their new and enlightened world, against the supposed inertia and ignorance of parents, pastors, and the great majority of moral philosophers and theologians older than yesterday.

Seems to me that catechesis requires a trans-empirical figure such as God. The gay persons/activists are not promoting a religion but asking for the human rights and liberties outlined in the constitution be extended to them as they are to christians. I will be concerned when churches are forced to hold an anti-gay bullying day or forced to bless gay marriage. What happens in civic-public schools should remain a non religious issue. If persons want religion to influence schools, they need to start a religious school system such as catholic, christian, jewish schools where the curriculum is specific to these groups. If christians or other religious groups do not like what is happening in public schools enroll your children in your own schools. Public schools are secular institutions open to all people regardless of race creed… Thus they need to be inclusive… inclusive for christians often means: Inclusive of only christian precepts.

As a christian, I personally hold christian precepts but do not think I have a right to cram my beliefs and adherence to my beliefs upon others. That being said, christians are free to act politically to further their ends because we live in a democracy. As such, Christians also have to accept the rights of others to participate fully in our democracy, even when their beliefs are contrary to our own. Theocracy has always proved to be a failure.

 

[manualman]

Just a question for anyone who would like to give their insight into this issue.

What are we, Catholics, to make of the pope’s comments “who are we to judge?” In regard to homosexuals? Would engaging in any public display of opposition to same sex relationships be judging? I don’t know the answer which is why I’d like (name removed by moderator)ut from all sides of this issue.

What you should do FIRST is stop trusting secular media to give you anything remotely related to the actual story on pope quotes. They almost never get it right. Look up the entirety of what he actually said. When you do that, the spin that’s been put on this one is flat out blatantly deceptive.

The pope never remotely said not to judge the morality of particular actions. The pope admonished people not to judge PEOPLE on the basis of their inclinations in the context of a hypothetical scenario of a priest with same sex attractions who is faithful to his promise of celibacy. Who ARE we to judge somebody like that? He’s completely correct. That’s not remotely the same as waffling on the morality of ACTING on those inclinations. Are you prepared to be judged on the inclinations that arise in you when a busty woman in a low cut top drops her purse in front of you and stoops to pick it up? It’s not what you’re tempted to do that matters, it’s what you ACT on that matters.

 

[migueltojose]

What you should do FIRST is stop trusting secular media to give you anything remotely related to the actual story on pope quotes. They almost never get it right. Look up the entirety of what he actually said. When you do that, the spin that’s been put on this one is flat out blatantly deceptive.

The pope never remotely said not to judge the morality of particular actions. The pope admonished people not to judge PEOPLE on the basis of their inclinations in the context of a hypothetical scenario of a priest with same sex attractions who is faithful to his promise of celibacy. Who ARE we to judge somebody like that? He’s completely correct. That’s not remotely the same as waffling on the morality of ACTING on those inclinations. Are you prepared to be judged on the inclinations that arise in you when a busty woman in a low cut top drops her purse in front of you and stoops to pick it up? It’s not what you’re tempted to do that matters, it’s what you ACT on that matters.

I think a t-shirt or bumber sticker that simply states:

Tolerance (does not equal sign) Acceptance

 

[patrickenglish]

I pose the question “what are we, Catholics, actually doing to stand up against the progressive social reform taking place among us?”

the reason I ask this is bc of a Public Religion Reseach Institute report titled “Catholic Attitudes on Gay and Lesbian Issues: A Comprehensive Portrait from Recent Research” conducted by Rober P. Jones in March of 2011.

In the report some staggering and shocking numbers jumped out at me, one of which stated that 56% of Catholics under the age of 35 favor same-sex marriage.

publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics-and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf

I don’t know the intricate details of the report are regarding how the survey was conducted and how it conflicts with any other reports/surveys as of yet but, in doing my own research and finding this report I have to wonder where this will take us and what, if any, action we are taking to rise up and defend our faith and God’s truth on the issue? Frankly, I haven’t heard any substantial stance being proclaimed by the Church recently nor from clergy within the United States. This saddenes me and feel it is of upmost importance that we rise to the occasion and stand firm, through compassion and love, on such issues.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

Or maybe the commandment is and should be “thou shalt leave LGBT people be and they should let you be”.

Look, this country was founded politically on Age of Enlightenment / Humanist thinking so as to allow people to be themselves. This is to allow people the space to follow their beliefs. As a Catholic YOU benefit from a Constitution written in a time where this country was easily as hostile to Catholics as many LGBT people have experienced. The wisdom shown in the formation of this country has allowed you to become a fuller person through your Catholic faith. Why not allow the same space for them?

I assure you, as much as I support the right of LGBT people to fully realize their lives and place in society, I also support any Church’s desire not to perform a same sex marriage if they so choose. Isn’t that nice how this all works?

The thing is, our role as Christians is not to tolerate sin or simply leave it alone to run amuck. If we believe certain behavior and lifestyles to be destructive, much like we do with murder, abortion, child abuse and more, our obligation is not simply be silent and “tolerant.”

SO if you want the LGBT lifestyle to be accepted and what it entails, you must be willing to accept what being Christian actually entails, and the two are frankly diametrically opposed.

 

[marymary1975]

Just a question for anyone who would like to give their insight into this issue.

What are we, Catholics, to make of the pope’s comments “who are we to judge?” In regard to homosexuals? Would engaging in any public display of opposition to same sex relationships be judging? I don’t know the answer which is why I’d like (name removed by moderator)ut from all sides of this issue.

I can give you an answer to that one. First of all, if you read the Pope’s original statement, which was not in English (the interview was half in Spanish and Italian) he never used the word “judge” That word was added by the media and a very important rule when it comes to popes is be careful with what the media says because they love to create confussion.

Now a second point before indicating what the pope said. The word judge has two meanings: one is to determine the state of a person’s soul which we are forbidden. Second discerning whether actions are right from wrong which Catholics are obligated to do. The pope again never mentioned the word judge, what he said was “Quien soy yo para criticarlos” which basically means to critize them in a hateful way. Obviously the pope was making the clear point that hateful criticism is the problem here and that you cannot determine the state of someone’s soul and very smartly he avoided a word with two meanings (quite smart from him) to make himself very clear.

So don’t believe what media said and be sure that indicating that an action is wrong is not only acceptable but a duty that we as Catholics have.

 

[migueltojose]

The thing is, our role as Christians is not to tolerate sin or simply leave it alone to run amuck. If we believe certain behavior and lifestyles to be destructive, much like we do with murder, abortion, child abuse and more, our obligation is not simply be silent and “tolerant.”

SO if you want the LGBT lifestyle to be accepted and what it entails, you must be willing to accept what being Christian actually entails, and the two are frankly diametrically opposed.

Tolerance is a virtue.

We have to be tolerant of sin because we are all sinners.

We don’t accept it. (As in being acceptable). But we tolerate it of necessity.

I tolerate secular society because I have chosen to live here (or rather I was born and raised here and have chosen, so far, not to leave). However, I do not accept it.

That is what is at the heart of my signature.

 

[umgriz932001]

How do you respond to your child when they bring something home like that? (The book about the same sex family.) I have been trying to teach my children that we have to follow what God says. I think they get that point (five and three). I don’t want to end up coming across as hateful or anything when i do have to talk about it with them, so how should i address the situation? Even though, i think it is the same as trying to explain second marriages and the like. What do you tell them for them to understand what God says about the situation?

 

[migueltojose]

Tolerance is a virtue.

We have to be tolerant of sin because we are all sinners.

We don’t accept it. (As in being acceptable). But we tolerate it of necessity.

I tolerate secular society because I have chosen to live here (or rather I was born and raised here and have chosen, so far, not to leave). However, I do not accept it.

That is what is at the heart of my signature.

Anyone who has lust in their mind, masturbates, commits adultery, orgasms anywhere except conjoined with their spouse (even if it’s with their spouse)… is just as guilty of fornication as an active LGBT…

Think about how many of the LGBT bashers are canceled out in that scenario… most it would seem likely…

I do not approve of the whole LGBT scene. I wish they were all back in the closet where I think they belong. They are ostracized by society and always will be because they represent about 3% of the population and they creep out parents with young children and it’s hard to argue with that. Obviously parents of young children have chosen the “normal” heterosexual lifestyle so they are naturally biased, like the other 97% of us. The whole thing is rather silly. Talk about the tail wagging the dog… again…

 

[Robert_Sock]

What amazes me is how swiftly gay behavior became the the norm though the use of the media! This occurred throughout the West in a matter of a few short years! Now, if only the media used its influence to make people aware that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity!

 

[JimG]

I pose the question “what are we, Catholics, actually doing to stand up against the progressive social reform taking place among us?”

the reason I ask this is bc of a Public Religion Reseach Institute report titled “Catholic Attitudes on Gay and Lesbian Issues: A Comprehensive Portrait from Recent Research” conducted by Rober P. Jones in March of 2011.

In the report some staggering and shocking numbers jumped out at me, one of which stated that 56% of Catholics under the age of 35 favor same-sex marriage.

publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics-and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf

I don’t know the intricate details of the report are regarding how the survey was conducted and how it conflicts with any other reports/surveys as of yet but, in doing my own research and finding this report I have to wonder where this will take us and what, if any, action we are taking to rise up and defend our faith and God’s truth on the issue? Frankly, I haven’t heard any substantial stance being proclaimed by the Church recently nor from clergy within the United States. This saddenes me and feel it is of upmost importance that we rise to the occasion and stand firm, through compassion and love, on such issues.

I think the numbers of Catholics favoring same sex marriage are indicative of the fact that Catholics have largely rejected—consciously or implicitly—the Catholic view of marriage, as an institution between man and woman which is faithful, permanent until death, and open to life.

If everyone meant what they said in their vows (and yes that means both parties), there could not be a 50% divorce rate, unfaithfulness, and contraception. Catholics began to acquiesce to the secular/pagan view of marriage when they accepted contraception. Separating sex from procreation also separates sex from marriage and makes same sex marriage along with other deviances, inevitable. It also separates children from families and undermines civilization.

 

[Publisher]

I think the numbers of Catholics favoring same sex marriage are indicative of the fact that Catholics have largely rejected—consciously or implicitly—the Catholic view of marriage, as an institution between man and woman which is faithful, permanent until death, and open to life.

If everyone meant what they said in their vows (and yes that means both parties), there could not be a 50% divorce rate, unfaithfulness, and contraception. Catholics began to acquiesce to the secular/pagan view of marriage when they accepted contraception. Separating sex from procreation also separates sex from marriage and makes same sex marriage along with other deviances, inevitable. It also separates children from families and undermines civilization.

I’m waiting to see how and when the “undermining” of “civilization” occurs…been hearing a lot about it…but don’t see it in those countries or states that already have same sex marriage…I think the “end of civilization” is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors the conservative like to tout to strike fear in people…thinks are going along just fine.

 

[migueltojose]

I’m waiting to see how and when the “undermining” of “civilization” occurs…been hearing a lot about it…but don’t see it in those countries or states that already have same sex marriage…I think the “end of civilization” is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors the conservative like to tout to strike fear in people…thinks are going along just fine.

So you are in favor of SSM? … and those other ‘inevitible’ things you mentioned?

The truth is the truth… even if no one believes it,
and a lie is a lie, even if everyone believes it…

 

[JimG]

I’m waiting to see how and when the “undermining” of “civilization” occurs…been hearing a lot about it…but don’t see it in those countries or states that already have same sex marriage…I think the “end of civilization” is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors the conservative like to tout to strike fear in people…thinks are going along just fine.

Civilization doesn’t collapse in a matter of months or even a few years, but the undermining has been going on for quite awhile. Many of us would think that the state of families began to decline in the 1960’s with the sexual revolution. But of course, that was first enabled by the acceptance of contraception by Christians, beginning in 1930, when the Lambeth Conference caused the Anglicans to become the first Protestant denomination to depart from Catholic teaching on contraception.

Carle Zimmerman, who wrote “Family and Civilization” back in the 1940’s, traces the beginning of family decline even further back, but the pace of cultural decline has certainly increased within recent decades.

I don’t say that gay marriage is the cause of it. No, it is rather the result of cultural and family collapse.