Thought experiment. No possibility of stopping legal access to abortion in first trimester. What do pro-lifers do?

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Life Decisions International has a list of companies that support PP. The list is probably not complete because they are careful to verify that a company does in fact support PP.

Their website is www.fightpp.org. You must purchase the list as they don’t put the list online. This is to prevent an outdated list from being spread all over the internet. Details on how you can purchase the list is on the website.

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I would add in:
  • A world where poor mothers aren’t seen as mooches or burdens on society.
  • A world where taking medical and family leave doesn’t mean poverty (FMLA is useless if you can’t afford it).
  • A world where men are expected to accept responsibility for their children, and not solely in a financial sense.
  • A world where jobs and education work around childcare arrangements where possible, so parents can afford to work.
 
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This does not accept the premises of the thought experiment. Abortions are freely and permanently available. Source of funding is irrelevant.
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Continue sidewalk counseling and direct as many as we can away from the abortion mills.
 
What are we allowed to do? Can we post signs? Can we still pray? Can we still talk about the issues with others?
 
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…
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No need to play a bad hand if you can just flip over the table and reset the game. 😉
 
Crazy idea here.

Birth control. Less conception, less abortion.
 
It’s crazy but not for the reason you imagine. In fact there are studies which prove more birth control leads to more abortion.

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A disordered sexual behavior to avoid murder. Almost like the trolley problem.

Except after you get used to having sex not ordered to being open to procreation and then you realize that contraception isn’t 100% reliable and so you get unwanted children who are then killed.

I have a really, really, really insane idea, but I think it could work. We try to spread the idea that sex is to be used with grave responsibility, and that it shouldn’t be done except by married couples open to life.
 
I mean, you’re welcome to spread the idea. But I don’t know how well it’ll take hold. I’m certainly not going to enforce any religious sensibility into my children. They can make that decision on their own.
 
But here’s the thing, in the hypothetical it doesn’t even have to be a religious sensibility. I’m sure they’d agree that one of the strongest driving forces instinctually would therefore come with great responsibility. I mean, you can try to say all responsibility for actions are inherently from religious sensibilities or beliefs or something, but I think it’d work out anyway. There are plenty of examples of hedonism leading to disastrous results, showing the efficacy of responsibility.
 
I certainly would say it should be treated with responsibility.

Like choosing good partners, making sure you engage in as safe a condition as possible, and using protection so there is less likely a chance one will have to resort to medical means to deal with any consequences.
 
Is it truly responsible to do something without being prepared for the natural consequences of that action?
What can be safer than two who have known no one else know only each other?
 
The natural consequences you’re talking about can be mitigated. And the action serves more then that said consequence.

And now I think we’ve cycled back to religious worries.
 
Let me phrase it another way.
If there were a magical pill that kept us from getting fat, would it then be responsible to eat all the time? What if some pills use wonky magic and only work sometimes, like one in 200 pills?

The defining of responsibility purely based upon the consequence isn’t a thing only rejected by religious arguments, but basic virtue. Is it responsible to never get your work done on time if you are the boss’ brother, and can mitigate the consequence of getting fired? Or is the issue in improperly handling your work in the first place?

With sexual relations, the magical pill and the magical container don’t always work, and the natural results that were attempted to be mitigated arrive to a couple likely not ready for it. However, though consequences are the strongest enforcers of the idea of responsibility, that doesn’t affect the intrinsic responsibility or lack thereof of any act. If I do something irresponsible, but get off scotch-free, does that stop the act from being irresponsible? I think it is clear this is not so.
 
Your analogy doesn’t hold. It doesn’t only work 1 out of 200 times. In fact, the chance of these particular consequences is less likely to happen than happen at all.

These magic pills are certainly reliable enough for a betting person. When used properly the risk is near-zero.

What’s irresponsible is trying to remove remedies to these consequences from play, and insisting on abstinence-only controls which are proven to not work.
 
The never-ending debate on birth control and its link to abortions on CAF.
My contribution to it:

One in four women who had an abortion in 2016 were using the most reliable methods of contraception, says the British Pregnancy Advisory Service.

More than 14,000 women, who were treated at BPAS clinics, became pregnant despite using the pill or a long-acting contraceptive.

They often spotted their pregnancy late because they hadn’t expected their contraception to fail.
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Ann Furedi, chief executive of BPAS, said: Our data shows that women cannot control their fertility through contraception alone, even when they are using some of the most effective methods.

"Family planning is contraception and abortion.

“Abortion is birth control that women need when their regular method lets them down.”

Out of 60,000 women who had an abortion at BPAS clinics last year, more than half were using at least one form of contraception.
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Is it responsible to be a betting person with human life?

Absitenence certainly does work…100%. Never fails. If you don’t have sex until you’re ready to get married, settle down and have children, then you’ll never have children when unable to bear it.
 
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I would add in:

A world where poor mothers aren’t seen as mooches or burdens on society.

A world where taking medical and family leave doesn’t mean poverty (FMLA is useless if you can’t afford it).

A world where men are expected to accept responsibility for their children, and not solely in a financial sense.

A world where jobs and education work around childcare arrangements where possible, so parents can afford to work.

Good post…but lets say that abortion does get banned…(and I hope it does also)…how many Christians…will then say…it’s not my problem they got pregnant and can’t afford to raise their own child…why should I have to help pay…so we’re back to square one
 
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