Thought experiment. What if it was one day proven 200% there’s no God?

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Wait, you know every single atheist who ever lived and can speak for their actions not being ‘like this’ every single day of their lives?
 
laylow said:
OK, I’ll play. 🙂
If God doesn’t exist, I would live my short life indulging in every pleasure I could, whether legal or illegal. I would do whatever I could get away with, and if you said that you would not do this, I would consider you a fool and would think nothing of taking advantage of you in any way that appealed to me. And don’t you dare tell me I’m wrong, because I’m just a bag of electro-chemical reactions, and the concept of moral right and wrong doesn’t exist in chemistry or physics.
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OK, I’ll play. :slight_smile:
If God doesn’t exist, I would live my short life indulging in every pleasure I could, whether legal or illegal. I would do whatever I could get away with, and if you said that you would not do this, I would consider you a fool and would think nothing of taking advantage of you in any way that appealed to me. And don’t you dare tell me I’m wrong, because I’m just a bag of electro-chemical reactions, and the concept of moral right and wrong doesn’t exist in chemistry or physics.
You think you would, but this would be at odds with how almost all, if not all atheists approach and live their lives.

So you are claiming that almost all if not all atheists are ‘at odds’ with the first quote, and I am saying how exactly do you know how all, if not almost all atheists ever have approached and lived their lives?
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anon10271182 said:
Again, your understanding of the nature of God is very deficient. As is your understanding of what He has chosen to reveal to us through His Word and His Church–e.g., absolute morality.
That said, your deficiencies are correctable. You might start with the Catechism. I’d actually recommend the Catechism of St. Pius X, which wonderfully distills Catholic teachings in a Q & A format. There are also the writings of Peter Kreeft or the Evangelical philosopher William Lane Craig, who thoroughly dismantles atheist hangups on “the problem of evil.”
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First of all, I do not believe that many apologists would agree with your assertion that all has been revealed. Most I have heard unapologetically (no pun intended) are willing to use “we cannot know the mind of God” as a solution when the answer is outside of human comprehension.

Secondly, by definition, humans could not fully understand absolute morally, because human knowledge forever being advanced, and perpetually incomplete. If they could, they would be “God”
 
What does his existence or not have to do with you working on your spiritual growth?
 
Curious11 said:
Thought experiment. What if it was one day proven 200% there’s no God?
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That’s a difficult thought experiment for me, because basically it says “what if it was one day proven that there is no foundation and source of existence itself?”, or stated another way, “what if it was one day proven that nothing exists?” But if nothing exists, then who is doing the proving, and who are they proving it to?

Perhaps a better thought experiment would be to say “what if it were proven beyond any doubt that Jesus did not rise from the dead?” Though even then, questions would be raised as to how this could possibly proven, and as to whether the “proof” could truly be airtight.
 
We only understand what God has chosen for us to understand through His Word and His Church. This includes the Ten Commandments. Pretty absolute, eh?
Your posts evidence very little understanding of theology. You should know that unbelievers have been coming on CAF for many years, attempting to sow doubt. Some of them have made at least some effort to understand Aristotelian metaphysics, and even Thomistic theology.
All of them have failed to make their case.
 
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You think you would, but this would be at odds with how almost all, if not all atheists approach and live their lives.

So you are claiming that almost all if not all atheists are ‘at odds’ with the first quote, and I am saying how exactly do you know how all, if not almost all atheists ever have approached and lived their lives?
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You “slightly” increased the numbers of people and the duration of the said morality.
 
“your assertion that all has been revealed.” ???
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You didn’t give a limitation in your post. . .exactly how long then are you examining ‘their lives’ and how large a ‘sample’ are you using?
 
Curious11 said:
Come on, you know the answer to that as well as I do. If I told you there’s a dragon in my garage, what would you consider proof that I was lying?
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God is not comparable to a dragon, or a unicorn, or a spaghetti monster (even one that can fly). By our experience with reality and the use of reason we have good reason to hold that God exists. We have no reason to believe there’s a dragon in your garage.
 
Remember, you are the one who said, all or almost all atheists" and you are the one who said, 'live their lives".
 
My Catholic brothers and sisters, next we’ll learn how no intelligence produced intelligence…how the universe created itself ex nihilo…how anything at all exsts even though at some point everything that exists did not exist…how the past is infinite despite all logic to the contrary…etc.
 
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To put this another way, to prove that there is no God, one would have to know absolutely everything about everything, everywhere, in which case, one would be, by definition, God.
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That’s it. Adam & Eve tried it, and a fine mess it got us into.
 
anon10271182 said:
We only understand what God has chosen for us to understand through His Word and His Church. This includes the Ten Commandments. Pretty absolute, eh?
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If that’s absolute and all God is capable of, then “whoa to you” I know very little apologists (for starters) that would resolve it to that simplistic of a level.
anon10271182 said:
Your posts evidence very little understanding of theology. You should know that unbelievers have been coming on CAF for many years, attempting to sow doubt. Some of them have made at least some effort to understand Aristotelian metaphysics, and even Thomistic theology.
All of them have failed to make their case.
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Ad hominem attacks and non sequitur after non sequitur.

You have no idea what my theological knowledge is. But I have news for you, Christianity is not the only religion or belief system. And also, Aristotle was not Christian.

You speak of sowing doubt. No person of faith should worry about anyone’s opinions or statements. Faith is nonexistent if not tested.

On top of that, you have done nothing to refute my assertion. If anything, you have demonstrated your lack of theology and philosophy.

Thanks for revealing your levels of maturity and arrogance.
 
I don’t see how it could be proven that he 200% doesn’t exist, so no need to worry.
 
stpurl said:
You didn’t give a limitation in your post. . .exactly how long then are you examining ‘their lives’ and how large a ‘sample’ are you using?
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All atheists I know have a sense of morality. It may not match yours, and thankfully it does not (said jokingly) but they are not perpetual pleasure-only seeking beings; although they do enjoy pleasure, but also do people of faith. I just think you would be surprised to realize that for many people, belief in God is not their only reason to live with morality.
 
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