Thoughts of intense doubt...anyone go through this?

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Hope is a theological virtue. Despair is a sin against hope. We can not live without hope. If we despair we lose our souls. It is a sin against the Holy Spirit. I was tempted once to despair.
My chapel priest’s homily on this past Sunday focused a LOT on Despair as a sin against Hope. It rings true the more I think about it.
Would those on this thread pray for SimpleSinner. He is tempted to despair and if he does he will be lost. We can hope for him. By loving him in prayer and sacrificing for him hopefully we can keep him from despair.
I think a lot of us are tempted to despair…it’s so easy for us to just throw in the towel. I’m keeping everyone in my thoughts and prayers…especially since doubt can feed into despair and make it just that much harder to have hope.

O Christ Jesus
When all is darkness
And we feel our weakness and helplessness,
Give us the sense of Your Presence,
Your Love and Your Strength.
Help us to have perfect trust
In Your protecting love
And strengthening power,
So that nothing may frighten or worry us,
For, living close to You,
We shall see Your Hand,
Your Purpose, Your Will through all things.
Amen.
 
Wow, what you don’t know about the Church, about Christ, about sin, about heaven and hell…

Dude, if you wanna wallow in your self-righteousness, feel free. But if you are willing to try learning something, try reading a bit of the Catechism, or the Church fathers, or maybe the lives of the Saints. Well, these things can challenge one’s pride :rolleyes: as I know from personal experience.
Your judgements are based on assumptions that are based on a reaction to your own belief. Nothing more and nothing less. Don’t inject me into that.
And just an aside… if you want to start a conversation about your beliefs – even if they are not Catholic – that’s perfectly acceptable on these forums, so long as you do so respectfully. But try not to hijack someone’s else’s thread for that. Just saying 🤷
Gertie
I apologize, but I was under the impression that this:

“Anyone go through trials like these?”

Meant more than: “Say yes/no to my question.”

But don’t worry. You have shown me the hospitality I can expect from this place. I believe my boots will remain muddy for now.
 
I think a lot of us are tempted to despair…it’s so easy for us to just throw in the towel. I’m keeping everyone in my thoughts and prayers…especially since doubt can feed into despair and make it just that much harder to have hope.

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Despair is much darker than doubt or questioning if the faith you have is real.

In hell there is no hope. Here there is hope. In heaven there is no hope.

Hope requires time a now and a future. Hope presumes change and change is impossible without time. It is impossible for a human to live without hope. We can have false hope, hoping in something that is not there, or not real, but we have to have some.

Spiritual despair is losing all hope in God, in His mercy, in love. The Calvinist doctrine of double predestination that said there are people who were created to be damned, cause many people to lose hope.

I am a sinner and I have no power to change myself even though I try, so I must be among the damned. There is no hope for me.

This gave rise to the Romantic period in literature, etc., where rebellion against God was glorified.

When people become truly without hope they are suicidal, or hedonistic, which also leaves them empty and without purpose.

Pray for SimpleSinner. He or she is in great spiritual danger.
 
I think this is normal.

Any Catholic that says they have not questioned their faith is probably one sitting on the sidelines of the faith. There are very few people, I think, that have not had a crisis of faith at some point in life. Some people may have it occur multiple times, regularly.

What’s important is that you overcome these struggles, The Lord always welcomes back his wayward sheep.
 
This gave rise to the Romantic period in literature, etc., where rebellion against God was glorified.
I just shuddered. I’m in a British Literature class and has to read and analyze a lot of Romantic period poetry…Especially Blake (The Marriage of Heaven and Hell…). Ugh! I absolutely could not stand reading the selections from that period.
What’s important is that you overcome these struggles, The Lord always welcomes back his wayward sheep.
Exactly.

Thank you all for your kind words…they’ve really helped me come to see that the struggles aren’t just black and white, and that I am not alone.
 
I just shuddered. I’m in a British Literature class and has to read and analyze a lot of Romantic period poetry…Especially Blake (The Marriage of Heaven and Hell…). Ugh! I absolutely could not stand reading the selections from that period.
But what inspired this destructive movement? It was a pernicious false doctrine. People came to believe they had no hope and were damned.

Why pray to, worship, thank, adore, love, glorify a God who made you do send you to hell and suffer for all eternity?

It was a response to Calvin’s double predestination. If God hates me then I have no use for Him either. People gave up hope.

It is probably the influence of your class that had you in a funk. Go read the life of St. Maximillian Kolbe, or Edith Stein. See what they went through persevering in hope. It will snap you out of your slump.
 
For a brief period I was suffering immense grief…I went through two miscarriages and, though I was never mad at God…I wasn’t quite ready to face him in his House, either.

Finally, thanks to many prayers and struggles, I made it back to Church yesterday and I’m fervent in my desire to not just STAY, but to increase my faith so that this never happens again.

Last night as I prayed the rosary, I felt so at peace…then suddenly and out of nowhere, a little thought in my head said “He doesn’t exist. He won’t save you.”

WHAT. So I closed my eyes and kept praying…the harder I prayed, the more that voice told me that I was alone and that the saint didn’t exist…the Angels didn’t exist…and God didn’t exist. So I stopped praying, and told myself that it was all a lie. I had a brief moment of silence and suddenly I felt like someone had hit me…not physically, but mentally. I felt something shut off from me…something I can only describe as God’s Grace, my faith ,my hope. It was all gone. And I was miserable. It didn’t last long, and I felt His Grace open up to me again, and my faith and hope came back…but it was enough to realize that God HAS to exist. If he didn’t exist, then no one would exist…the angels and saints had to exist.

I prayed even harder, and by the end of the rosary, all doubts were gone. Anyone go through trials like these?
I have gone through similar thought processes, not on the level you have experienced though, but more of questioning what are my thoughts, and what is Heaven, Angels,Saints, or our Lord speaking to me…

As to your particular experience, I find it weird, could it be some evil entity trying to get a foot hold on you and keep you from God ? maybe, or could it be your own personal thoughts of grief and anger that have matrixed out/ or, subconciously entered your thought processes, but you did finish praying and felt at peace at the end of it; I would say do not beat yourself up over this, keep praying the rosary when you are able, and if doubt enters your thoughts again, just let it ride , by that I mean do not willingly dwell on it, re focus your energy back on to your prayer and let it pass as you did before.
 
Anyone go through trials like these?
ABSOLUTELY. I go through this all the time. Personally my doubts mostly have to do with the Church. I love the Church and try to be obedient but it is almost pathologic the way I always doubt it- and I don’t understand how I can believe in the VIRGIN birth and the RESURRECTION among other things- and I do- and yet persist in doubts about things like Papal Infallibility for example- although I will say that I am much much more open and more able to grasp Church teaching than I ever was before so that is something I guess. I try to make an effort to defend the Church in my own life- as well as try to defend just the belief of God in general. But I ALWAYS fail when it comes time to do just that. I think it is because I see my own doubt reflected in whoever I am talking to and it reminds me that I am a hypocrite. I also feel unworthy because of my past- like people will say, “well of COURSE you love the Church because you came to it when you were really struggling and it was the only thing that got you back on track.” Does that make sense? The truth is it actually doesn’t make sense at all- but that is what I go through.

Mariacamille- I have never experienced the grief of losing a child. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. I will pray for you with all my heart.

SomeSinner- I found some of my own thoughts echoed in your post. It does seem as though you are in despair. I have nothing profound to say that will help but I am sorry that you are feeling this way and I will pray for you.
 
Hello everyone:) i think everyone goes through periods of doubt. when i was becoming Catholic again after having a bout in various religions (islam, spirituality, and learning about others) it was a struggle to believe in God’s love…that He would want me back and all the rest. it was a very dark time, but there were also brilliant diamonds of clarity along the way that i clung to.

i think doubting is normal and part of the journey. there could be many reasons for the doubt, but i think the key is to keep hope always, even when it seems all is lost. I have found that in those moments there is a rush of grace where God scoops you up and holds you closer than ever. there is always hope. God is a God of hope. if He wasn’t, then why send His Son to save us from the enemy and ourselves? If there wasn’t hope, why wait for the Resurrection? That is the epitome of hope, i tend to think. the impossible (err…“impossible”?) became certainly possible. because of that hope in the Resurrection, we now have the Holy Eucharist. If Jesus had just died and that was it, it would be rather anticlimactic. God wasn’t happy to just leave us. instead, His hope was the Resurrection as a statement that He has conquered everything; an action of hope to give us the ability to hope in everything good that God wants to grant us and that is awaiting for us. Mass is not just a memorial service. The Holy Eucharist is a Sacrament of hope in a special way because it’s truly the living Jesus because He rose again from the dead. it’s where God comes to us and makes the intangible tangible. in the Eucharist is all hope…it’s the epicenter of our lives as Catholics.

anyways, sometimes we just need to wait for the little resurrections in our lives before we see a transformation in a situation of any sort. but all will be well:)

and if we didn’t have doubts, we would be losing an opportunity to become stronger in our faith by learning what the Church teaches, through prayer, and good guidance from knowledgeable priests, good books,etc., as well as an opportunity for exercising obedience. In my experience, if there was something i had a hard time accepting, i would accept it because it was what i was supposed to believe. as my journey went along, i became aware of the beauty and wisdom of that particular teaching and now willingly embrace everything we are taught to believe.

sorry if all that was a bit jumbled lol

SomeSinner,

it certainly seems like your present state is despair or verrry close. Don’t give in to it. don’t be proud. would you want to be in this state for all of eternity? do you not see that God loves you? read this quietly in your heart and may God’s light and endless love for you seep into your heart and warm it with His grace. may it cause you to deeply question your currently held incorrect beliefs about God that the enemy of your soul (and everyone elses) would have you believe because they are lies. you are in our prayers.
Love,
DominicaPia

Conversation of the Merciful God with a Despairing Soul.
Jesus: O soul steeped in darkness, do not despair. All is not yet lost. Come and confide in your God, who is love and mercy.
-But the soul, deaf even to this appeal, wraps itself in darkness.
Jesus calls out again: My child, listen to the voice of your merciful Father.
  • In the soul arises this reply: “For me there is no mercy,” and it falls into greater darkness, a despair which is a foretaste of hell and makes it unable to draw near to God.
    Jesus calls to the soul a third time, but the soul remains deaf and blind, hardened and despairing. Then the mercy of God begins to exert itself, and, without any co-operation from the soul, God grants it final grace. If this too is spurned, God will leave the soul in this self-chosen disposition for eternity. This grace emerges from the merciful Heart of Jesus and gives the soul a special light by means of which the soul begins to understand God’s effort; but conversion depends on its own will. The soul knows that this, for her, is final grace and, should it show even a flicker of good will, the mercy of God will accomplish the rest.
    My omnipotent mercy is active here. Happy the soul that takes advantage of this grace.
    Jesus: What joy fills My Heart when you return to me. Because you are weak, I take you in My arms and carry you to the home of My Father.
    Soul (as if awaking, asks fearfully): Is it possible that there yet is mercy for me?
    Jesus: There is, My child. You have a special claim on My mercy. Let it act in your poor soul; let the rays of grace enter your soul; they bring with them light, warmth, and life.
    Soul: But fear fills me at the thought of my sins, and this terrible fear moves me to doubt Your goodness.
    Jesus: My child, all your sins have not wounded My Heart as painfully as your present lack of trust does - that after so many efforts of My love and mercy, you should still doubt My goodness.
    Soul: O Lord, save me yourself, for I perish. Be my Savior. O Lord, I am unable to say anything more; my pitiful heart is torn asunder; but You, O Lord… Jesus does not let the soul finish but, raising it from the ground, from the depths of its misery, he leads it into the recesses of His Heart where all its sins disappear instantly, consumed by the flames of love.
    Jesus: Here, soul, are all the treasures of My Heart. Take everything you need from it.
    Soul: O Lord, I am inundated with Your grace. I sense that a new life has entered into me and, above all, I feel Your love in my heart. That is enough for me. O Lord, I will glorify the omnipotence of Your mercy for all eternity. Encouraged by Your goodness, I will confide to You all the sorrows of my heart.
    Jesus: Tell me all, My child, hide nothing from Me, because My loving Heart, the Heart of your Best Friend, is listening to you.
    Soul: O Lord, now I see all my ingratitude and Your goodness. You were pursuing me with Your grace, while I was frustrating Your benevolence. I see that I deserve the depths of hell for spurning Your graces.
    Jesus (interrupting): Do not be absorbed in your misery-you are still too weak to speak of it-but, rather, gaze on My Heart filled with goodness, and be imbued with My sentiments. Strive for meekness and humility; be merciful to others, as I am to you; and, when you feel your strength failing, if you come to the fountain of mercy to fortify your soul, you will not grow weary on your journey.

A GOD OF HOPE:)
 
When I was in the convent I woke up feeling like that every morning. I have learned to just brush it off but it used to really disturb me. How I understand it is that someone in the body of Christ is suffering doubts and you are to make reparation for their doubts with acts of faith, Intercessory prayer. Remember the scripture saying something like, if the body stubs it’s toe the whole body feels it…something like that.

Keep up the good work and make acts of faith. 😃
 
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