Thoughts on Amazon Synod

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They are scarves with emblems of the Synod

see the emblem?

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SebastianTorres said:
Research what is the meaning (specially in latinoamerica) of the green scarfs the people of these pictures is wearing around their necks. No one on South America wears one of these casually, everyone here knows its meaning.
Just Google “pañuelos verdes”.
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They are not the scarves mentioned here by @SebastianTorres
 
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Power corrupts. They have real power and think that the poor folk in the pews will just take anything they push on us. Maybe we should stop giving them money?
 
Adamek said:
the poor folk in the pews
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The odd thing for me is that the “people in the pews” in my experience are nothing like the people here online. Pretty much all the ones I know love the Pope, are very conservative, but as Catholics, deeply involved in social justice.

Out of hundreds of Catholics I know, none have panicked over things like this synod, especially since it hasn’t even started yet. Talk about borrowing trouble!
 
pnewton said:
Out of hundreds of Catholics I know, none have panicked over things like this synod, especially since it hasn’t even started yet.
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I believe the synod is in its second week. You might want to go to First Things and read their Letters from the Synod (five so far)
 
Thank you. That was my point. Jesus taught us that this day is sufficient to its own troubles. I suspect it will likely be spring until this synod is done and the Holy Father releases any decisions based on it. But whenever, then at least there will be something real to ponder.

For those wondering about this wild guess, I base it on the time it took Amoris Laetitia to be released.
 
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Can you imagine how the three of them felt after hearing that?
 
Margaret_Ann said:
Can you imagine how the three of them felt after hearing that?
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Hopefully she contemplated on it humbly. Too often people feel as though they should be proud that they converted a person and alternately they get angry at contemptful at people who don’t convert after listening to them. That sends out a false message to a convert or others that someone other than the grace of God has saved them.
 
Do you believe the other side of that coin is also true ie. that one can be angry and contemptful towards others who don’t convert at your urging?
 
Didn’t Jesus tell the Apostles to preach the gospel to the whole world? Does this now no longer apply?
 
Of course, the media has its own tricks with Pope Francis. The media used to paint Pope Benedict as a rigid elitist trying to drag us back to the Middle Ages. With Pope Francis, they’re trying to portray HIM as the Great White (Cassocked) Hope of Universal Man-Made-God Religion, and so where they would ‘spin’ Benedict’s words to make HIM look like Savonarola, they make FRANCIS look like he’s the Catholic Bernie Sanders. Whereas all the time, Benedict and Francis are solid, Catholic, loving Papal Fathers who are trying to carry on Christ’s teaching and lead His Church.
 
All we get in the article is a ‘grab’. I think we can credit Pope Francis with recognising proselytising since it has been a battle in the Church since it was condemned at Vatican II Council. I remember when Pope St John Paul II was coping flak for condemning it.

Even today much remains to be done to overcome religious intolerance, which in different parts of the world is closely connected with the oppression of minorities. Unfortunately, we are still witnessing attempts to impose a particular religious idea on others, either directly, by a proselytism which relies on means which are truly coercive, or indirectly, by the denial of certain civil or political rights. (Pope John Paul II, MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS POPE JOHN PAUL II FOR THE XXIV WORLD DAY OF PEACE “IF YOU WANT PEACE, RESPECT THE CONSCIENCE OF EVERY PERSON” 1 January 1991
 
Did St. Paul proselytize? How about Evangelicals, Baptists, JW’s, Mormons, etc. Do they all have an unfair advantage over Catholics?
 
MiserereMeiDei said:
Seems that there are sisters hearing confessions (without offering absolution, so what’s the point?) and witnessing “marriages” without a priest.
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If no priest is going to be available for a long time, the bishop can give anybody, even a lay person the authority to witness a Catholic wedding. (In the Latin Rite. The East requires a priest.)

If lay people are hearing confessions and it is well understood that it is not the sacrament and it doesn’t take the place of the sacrament, I don’t see anything wrong with that. These are people who might not see a priest for a very long time. While confession to somebody who is not a priest does not confer absolution, nor sacramental graces, it is not without benefit for many people.
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
Yeah, I get it. So why is there so much focus on the feathered headdresses, etc?
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The answer to that question would have to come from foreigners - presumably such as yourself - who seem to be the only ones obsessing over feather headdresses.

Here’s something else for you to obsess about:
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I took these pictures while I was in Peru last month.

For those who may not know -
Peru is a multilingual nation and these women, as do many people in Peru, especially those who live in the rural communities of the Andes, predominantly speak Quechua (the language of the Incas) with Spanish being their secondary language. Even in recent history Quechua-speaking Peruvians were the target of discrimination and mockery by their own fellow nationals for speaking their native language (among the reasons, because it was treated as the language of ‘simple folk’). Peruvians are more accepting of Quechua now. In addition to Spanish (here called ‘Castellano’), it is recognized as one of the official languages of the State.
 
The aims of the synod are aimed at promoting Church unity and upholding our traditions.

Doesn’t seem controversial to me.
 
Ana_v, understand that those attitudes are not the majority attitude of global Catholics. How could we be so obsessed with ‘pagan’ feathers when our own western tradition has featured them so much!

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Emeraldlady said:
All we get in the article is a ‘grab’. I think we can credit Pope Francis with recognising proselytising since it has been a battle in the Church since it was condemned at Vatican II Council. I remember when Pope St John Paul II was coping flak for condemning it.

Even today much remains to be done to overcome religious intolerance, which in different parts of the world is closely connected with the oppression of minorities. Unfortunately, we are still witnessing attempts to impose a particular religious idea on others, either directly, by a proselytism which relies on means which are truly coercive, or indirectly, by the denial of certain civil or political rights. (Pope John Paul II, MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS POPE JOHN PAUL II FOR THE XXIV WORLD DAY OF PEACE “IF YOU WANT PEACE, RESPECT THE CONSCIENCE OF EVERY PERSON” 1 January 1991
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Emerald lady, he would not have been talking about Catholicism.
If he was , I might as well give up now
 
JimG said:
Did St. Paul proselytize? How about Evangelicals, Baptists, JW’s, Mormons, etc. Do they all have an unfair advantage over Catholics?
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The key part to the quote, and the difference between evangelism and proselytizing can be found in the phrase by St. John Paul, : " *which relies on means which are truly coercive, or indirectly, by the denial of certain civil or political rights."

St. Paul - good
Torquemada - bad

In the middle is the muddle.
 
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