Thoughts on Amazon Synod

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You know there’s something wrong when even the regular apologists of Pope Francis haven’t even offered a basic defense of these events.

I was reading through the articles on Patheos by some of the more diehard types that constantly ridicule anyone who criticizes Pope Francis or the clergy and even they are writing about anything and everything BUT THE SYNOD! As if it’s not even happening.

Does anyone know if Catholic Answers has written an article to explain the events at the synod; because I haven’t seen one yet. I haven’t listened to the radio program in some time either, so I don’t know if people have been calling in for explanations about what has taken place.
 
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otjm said:
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Frankie65 said:
Please everyone. I beg you to read the Lord of the World, Mgr Robert Hugh Benson. He exactly recounts this. Many Catholics are deceived into worshipping an enormous figure of Maternity which has been erected in St Paul’s Cathedral London.
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Why would Catholics be worshipping in an Anglican Cathedral? And Benson is an Anglican Minister.
 
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If I recall correctly, Robert Hugh Benson had been an Anglican priest, but was received into the Catholic Church in 1903 and ordained to the Catholic priesthood in 1904.

The statue of Maternity in the Anglican cathedral is an event in his dystopian novel.
 
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An editoral from the National Catholic Register:

“This attempted imposition of contentious and discredited Church concepts on the Amazon by Europeans and North Americans can be characterized in another way — as theological colonialism.”

www.ncregister.com

Amazon Synod: Don’t Impose Old Agendas on the New World

EDITORIAL: This attempted imposition of contentious and discredited Church concepts on the Amazon by Europeans and North Americans is nothing less than theological colonialism.
www.ncregister.com www.ncregister.com
 
Nope.
First Pachamama is related to the Incas Empire and second Amazonia is a shield geologically.
So what earthquakes would these Amazonian tribes have known?
 
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Benson, like so many others, converted to Catholicism. And here a quote from his book:

The principle of love and union learned however falteringly in the West during the last

century, has been taken up in the East as well. There shall be no more an appeal to arms, but to justice ; no longer a crying after a God Who hides Himself, but to Man who has learned his own Divinity. The Supernatural is dead; rather,we know now that it never yet has been alive. What remains is to work out this new lesson, to bring every ac tion, word and thought to the bar of Love and Justice; and this will be,no doubt ,the task of years. Every code must be reversed; every barrier thrown down ; party must unite with party, country with country, and continent with continent. There is no longer the fear of fear, the dread of the hereafter, or the paralysis of strife.
 
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The church is headed for more than a dark period. If things keep down this path where men of the church claiming, critics of the Synod are violent and possessed then a split will happen. Maybe this is what God wants to have happen. After all the Eastern Orthodox Catholics and Roman Catholics are a direct result of a split and life has gone on.
 
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So what earthquakes would these Amazonian tribes have known?
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You’re just proving the point she’s a false idol. Angry earthquake causer was her legend, nobody is asserting she actually caused earthquakes. Humans don’t need to actually experience an event to write fantasy story about the event. Look at any modern sci fi or comic book movie.
The point is after Spanish arrived her image went from angry diva to gentle Maternal figure, likely due to Christian influence
 
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Adamek said:
Benson, like so many others, converted to Catholicism. And here a quote from his book:

The principle of love and union learned however falteringly in the West during the last

century, has been taken up in the East as well. There shall be no more an appeal to arms, but to justice ; no longer a crying after a God Who hides Himself, but to Man who has learned his own Divinity. The Supernatural is dead; rather,we know now that it never yet has been alive. What remains is to work out this new lesson, to bring every ac tion, word and thought to the bar of Love and Justice; and this will be,no doubt ,the task of years. Every code must be reversed; every barrier thrown down ; party must unite with party, country with country, and continent with continent. There is no longer the fear of fear, the dread of the hereafter, or the paralysis of strife.
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It sounds as if he is referencing the particular Protestant dilemma that he left behind in converting if the fiction statue was erected in the Anglican Cathedral.
 
JimG said:
An editoral from the National Catholic Register:

“This attempted imposition of contentious and discredited Church concepts on the Amazon by Europeans and North Americans can be characterized in another way — as theological colonialism.”
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/amazon-synod-dont-impose-old-agendas-on-the-new-world
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The Church has been hosting Synods relating to far flung regions forever. There are lots of proposals advanced during this discussions to try and resolve local faith issues. I recall years ago the issue of polygamy in Africa. The matter was evangelising these wives in polygamous marriages, who through no fault of their own, are permanently barred from Holy Communion. Proposals are important because they give the theologians and experts specific reference points to examine for merit. It doesn’t mean that the proposals will be adopted without that important step of measuring if for orthodoxy. In fact it seems downright anti Catholic to tell the Church what it can and cannot examine based purely on our very limited knowledge of 2000 years of theology and history.
 
I have a random question out of pure curiosity… normally the presidents of each national episcopal conference, and the primates of the Eastern Churches, are invited by default to all synods in Rome. Is this still the case here, or is it just the bishops of the Amazonian region and the Curia heads?
 
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I have a random question out of pure curiosity… normally the presidents of each national episcopal conference, and the primates of the Eastern Churches, are invited by default to all synods in Rome. Is this still the case here, or is it just the bishops of the Amazonian region and the Curia heads?
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I can’t say for sure but I’d doubt that there’s a need for every national conference to be represented at a local region synod. I found a report of the list of members for this Synod though.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/09/23/vatican-releases-list-of-participants-for-amazon-synod/
 
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Pachamama is a Quechuan voice, Andean and Prehispánic. It belongs to the west South American cordilleran cultures.
Amazonia is a different region, easily located on a map, which comprises numerous tribes and geologically and geographically a different and distinct region.
I am not trying to prove a point,it is History and Geography and General Knowledge aids to understanding what we are talking about. A minimum of basic context to differentiate .
 
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Someone has thrown Pachamama in the Tiber. I don’t think this will reflect well on traditionalists…
 
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Though I am rather moderate, especially compared to those here, I will agree and promote the necessity of even the most extreme traditional priest and bishops. They are vital to keeping the Church orthodox.
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Therefore why do we need the rest?
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That is a good question, especially in an time when “progressive” is a bad word, as if progress is to be avoided, even though Jesus said that was the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church. We do not stop with the Church as it was in 30 AD, or even in the New Testament. Many of our great saints have played the role of the progressive, from St. Paul until today. Without them there is only stagnation and the eventual path to legalism. Yet it must be acknowledged that they can be dead wrong, and often are. This is the process of the Church. We should all be a little more charitable and less partisan as it plays out.
 
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