What posts, I don’t see any post here that presents evidence from God written word that Mary was sinless. On the other hand I have presented clear biblical evidence that says Mary is part of sinful humanity.
Yes Jesus is God and He came into this world to save sinners like you, me and Mary. Now if the idea of a “special grace” is correct as suggested re Mary then why didn’t God give this “special grace” to all people? Remember John 3:16, for God so loved the world (all people) that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
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Gracious! I have been a lurker in my own post … how weird is that

. I’ve sat back and watched how this conversation has gone and I am not surprised. In my own studies, prayers and meditation I am seeking God’s love and patience as His Spirit leads me to understand, appreciate and accept His Word. At times I wish I were 2 years old again so that I could begin to learn free of my prejudices and layers of learning … but alas I can not, and that is truly frustrating. So, OK here goes …
As I see it there are a couple of foundational issues here that cannot be ignored. One, I have based my entire Christian experience and belief upon one source, the Bible (and a whole tonne of interpretations from other sources.) Second, I never thought of Mary as anything other than the mother of Jesus.
OK, first, please bear with me here, unlike most protestant churches today, the Church does not believe revelation started or stopped with the Bible, and that the written Word was as a result of Tradition, i.e., oral transmission as handed down via the Apostolic Tradition which Christ began. I was surprised to learn that many post-reformation writers did not disagree with this. Jesus’ disciples and later apostles (like Paul) wrote letters, true, but the primary tool was traveling and preaching. The Church sees this as one Word, both Tradition (the living expression of the Gospel) and the Scriptures (the written expression of the Gospel). Also, and most importantly, Tradition and the Scriptures are both inspired by the Holy Spirit and that neither stand alone or over shadow the other. Truth does not contradict Truth.
This is a difficult concept to accept and I naturally rebel against it because quite simply it has never been part of my teaching, reading or upbringing, always using Jn 20:31 and 2 Tim 3:16–17 as a basis for my thinking. A good reference I used (am using) is
catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp I encourage anyone to check it out. For all that, to me at least, Tradition, as I am coming to find, makes sense in both a logical, historical way as well as in a spiritual way. In 2 Ths 2:15 Paul states that we must adhere to all the traditions he had given them, written and oral. That in the time of the apostles, immediately after Christ for at least a couple of hundred years, the Christian “scriptures” were in fact a blend of oral and written teachings along with the Hebrew Christians who most likely still access to or had the Hebrew Scriptures.
On a side note, can you imagine if God had not moved the pagan emperor Constantine to call the Council of Nicene together to once and for all determine what was divine Christian scripture and what was not? How many more years would it have taken? I shutter to think.
Second, Mary, ah Mary, Mother of God … I am struggling with the Church’s view of her being sinless as well. For me, it has always been a silent comfort to think Mary was just like me: a sinner, imperfect and needing Salvation. But I am also beginning to think the opposite: what a comfort it would be to know Mary attained a sinless nature. There is not a direct reference to Mary being sinless all her life, nor that she wasn’t, in the Scriptures (being “full of Grace” may certainly imply that however), but it is held in Tradition as Truth. Therefore, why I brought up the first issue above.
( I truly do wish one of the writers of the NT had said, “except Mary”, but they didn’t.)
Again, as I stated earlier, with regards to Tradition, many post-reformation writers accept the Immaculate Conception and her perpetual virginity, I might add. Even though there is not direct Scriptural reference to that. It just seems logical. Many protestant Churches today do as well, including the last one I attended for a number of years. (Most reformation writers do however draw the line at her being sinless for the rest of her life and her assumption.)
Of course the wider implication here is that anyone can attain a sinless life if they can acquire a state “full of Grace”. And that threw up red flags everywhere in my heart and brain, with numerous verses from Scriptures that seem to state otherwise. I am willing and able to accept Mary as a unique and special case, but anyone??! …
For me, this is all a work in progress. I like to think of it as reverse engineering my faith. I must go back to my original premise: you must believe the whole package, not pick and chose what you want and disregard (or not believe) the rest. In the matter Truth, it simply just not work that way.
Respectfully,
Thom