Thoughts on Plantinga's EAAN?

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Hi guys,

Just finished reading Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism by Alvin Plantinga. What do you think of his Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism?

The argument goes as follows:
First, the probability of our cognitive faculties being reliable, given naturalism and evolution, is low. …] If I believe in both naturalism and evolution, I have a defeater for my intuitive assumption that my cognitive faculties are reliable. If I have a defeater for that belief, however, then I have a defeater for any belief I take to be produced by my cognitive faculties. That means that I have a defeater for my belief that naturalism and evolution are true. So my belief that naturalism and evolution are true gives me a defeater for that very belief.
He argues that
[w]hat evolution underwrites is only (at most) that our behavior is reasonably adaptive to the circumstances in which our ancestors found themselves; hence it does not guarantee mostly true or verisimilitudinous beliefs; but there is no particular reason to think they would be: natural selection is interested, not in truth, but in appropriate behavior. …] Indeed, Darwin himself expresses serious doubts along these lines: `With me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man’s mind, which has been developed from the mind of lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey’s mind?
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I want to argue that the naturalist has a powerful reason against [the assumption of cognitive reliability] and should give it up. I don’t mean to argue that this natural assumption is false; like everyone else, I believe that our cognitive faculties are, in fact, mostly reliable. What I do mean to argue is that the naturalist–at any rate a naturalist who accepts evolution–is rationally obliged to give up this assumption.
All quoted from chapter 10 of the book.

Thoughts? I’m really an amateur philosopher, so I might not engage deeply in the discussion here myself. But I will read everything and respond when I can. 🙂
 
Hi guys,

Just finished reading Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism by Alvin Plantinga. What do you think of his Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism?

The argument goes as follows:

He argues that

All quoted from chapter 10 of the book.

Thoughts? I’m really an amateur philosopher, so I might not engage deeply in the discussion here myself. But I will read everything and respond when I can. 🙂
It sounds a lot like Thomas Nagel who happens to be an atheist. I think the argument is very persuasive esp. when dealing with our apparent ability to make moral judgements. With Darwinism and materialism that ability must be rejected as unreliable.
 
A couple things:

First, I’m not so sure that rational conclusions ultimately derived from faculties produced by evolution are really so low as plantinga makes them out to be. Our ability to philosophise and use logic may not directly increase our survival chances, but they may be a by-product of the well-developed brains that allow us to make tools, outsmart predators, adapt to our environment, etc., that do have an impact on our surviveability.

another more probable possibility is that logic and reason do have an impact on our survival ability. They help us form ethical codes, form the scientific method which leads to beter quality of life, and so on.

Second, maybe our thoughts are completely untrustworthy, and everything we know is wrong, except maybe one belief that is right by accident. But if true, than it means that we can’t know anything for sure, including whether God exists or not.
 
As luck would have it there is a discussion of this topic occurring on the Freethought & Rationalism Discussion Board now. Be aware that it’s not a theist site and the rules there, while not entirely unlike the rules here, allow for more colorful language.

PS If you tell them cornbread_r[sup]2[/sup] sent you, I get a 15% discount on cigars and at their gift shop. 😃
 
A couple things:

First, I’m not so sure that rational conclusions ultimately derived from faculties produced by evolution are really so low as plantinga makes them out to be. Our ability to philosophise and use logic may not directly increase our survival chances, but they may be a by-product of the well-developed brains that allow us to make tools, outsmart predators, adapt to our environment, etc., that do have an impact on our surviveability.

another more probable possibility is that logic and reason do have an impact on our survival ability. They help us form ethical codes, form the scientific method which leads to beter quality of life, and so on.
The faculties Plantinga names are not just our ability to philosophise, but “…perception (whereby we know something of our environment), memory (whereby we know something of our past), a priori insight (by which we grasp logic and mathematics), broadly inductive procedures (whereby we can learn from experience), perhaps Thomas Reid’s “sympathie” (by which we know about the thoughts and feelings of other people), and perhaps still others…” p. 270.

Are these all useful byproducts or do they just increase survival ability?
Second, maybe our thoughts are completely untrustworthy, and everything we know is wrong, except maybe one belief that is right by accident. But if true, than it means that we can’t know anything for sure, including whether God exists or not.
Plantinga doesn’t argue, of course, that our thoughts are completely untrustworthy. Only that a naturalistic evolutionist has a defeater for and thus can’t rationally believe in naturalistic evolutionism.
 
As luck would have it there is a discussion of this topic occurring on the Freethought & Rationalism Discussion Board now. Be aware that it’s not a theist site and the rules there, while not entirely unlike the rules here, allow for more colorful language.
Thanks for the link. After reading that thread, I get the idea that most posters there don’t fully understand the argument. Especially those who say that Plantinga is ‘stupid’ and a ‘moron’… 🤷
PS If you tell them cornbread_r[sup]2[/sup] sent you, I get a 15% discount on cigars and at their gift shop. 😃
Cigars are nice… 😃
 
As luck would have it there is a discussion of this topic occurring on the Freethought & Rationalism Discussion Board now. Be aware that it’s not a theist site and the rules there, while not entirely unlike the rules here, allow for more colorful language.

PS If you tell them cornbread_r[sup]2[/sup] sent you, I get a 15% discount on cigars and at their gift shop. 😃
Read the thread too. Don’t take those cigars! Likely exploding ones.😃
 
The faculties Plantinga names are not just our ability to philosophise, but “…perception (whereby we know something of our environment), memory (whereby we know something of our past), a priori insight (by which we grasp logic and mathematics), broadly inductive procedures (whereby we can learn from experience), perhaps Thomas Reid’s “sympathie” (by which we know about the thoughts and feelings of other people), and perhaps still others…” p. 270.

Are these all useful byproducts or do they just increase survival ability?
It would seem to me that the examples you provided do indeed increase survivability.
Plantinga doesn’t argue, of course, that our thoughts are completely untrustworthy. Only that a naturalistic evolutionist has a defeater for and thus can’t rationally believe in naturalistic evolutionism.
He does argue that our thoughts are untrustworthy if they are derived from natural events. Which may be the case. Maybe all of our thoughts ARE untrustworthy, in which case we could not know whether theism or atheism is true.
 
It is a weak argument. Just how reliable are our cognitive faculties? We do not know, because the only means we have of testing their reliability is our own cognitive faculties. So, any assertion about their reliability is conjecture.

Furthermore, it could be that our cognitive faculties our very, very underdeveloped. Again, we would not know, because it is only such possibly underdeveloped faculties that perceive and judge them.
 
It is a weak argument. Just how reliable are our cognitive faculties? We do not know, because the only means we have of testing their reliability is our own cognitive faculties. So, any assertion about their reliability is conjecture.

Furthermore, it could be that our cognitive faculties our very, very underdeveloped. Again, we would not know, because it is only such possibly underdeveloped faculties that perceive and judge them.
well said. 👍
 
The problem with EAAN is that it gets a bit muddled in dealing with a priori and a posterior perspectives. The essence of Plantinga’s argument is that because evolution does not select for truth-telling capabilities strongly enough, we would have no reason to accept the truth of evolution if evolution is true.

In other words, A knows B. In B, A discerns C as a theory. If C is true, then there no reason to think that we can know B. Therefore, C is self-defeating, because C depends on B and thus C undercuts its own foundation.

See the problem here? Knowledge of B is never in question. Knowing B sets the stage for everything that follows. The truthfulness of C on the stage of B has nothing to do with the truthfulness of B either way. B is never in question, and so C does not need to account for it.

In other words, the naturalist does not need to justify our access to reality, because it is presupposed for both sides of the debate. Plantinga’s argument would only work if we could know the reality of naturalistic theory and its implications before knowing reality.
 
My spidey sense starts tingling with the premise “the probability of our cognitive faculties being reliable, given naturalism and evolution, is low”. Is it really? Based on what data, founded on which assumptions? How are we calculating this probability, and how are we testing it?

It seems that without a proven model and a sufficient data set we can’t gauge the probability of evolving reliable cognitive faculties at all, and without this premise the rest of the argument would fall apart.

Can anyone give me a sound basis for assuming a low probability here? Perhaps his reasoning just wasn’t presented in the initial quote.

Peace and God bless!
 
Ok, I’ve done some more reading on EAAN, and while I’m not yet confident in my understanding I do think there is at least one other major problem with it beyond the apparently arbitrary “low probability” designator.

Plantinga argues that evolution doesn’t select for true beliefs, but for surviving behaviors and assets, and therefore we can’t be certain that our cognitive abilities produce true beliefs. That naturalist, however, would agree with this, and would actually use this as a support for naturalism.

The reason for this is quite simple: the naturalist says that beliefs based on anything other than observational facts about the physical world are indeed unreliable. They are concerned only with what can be immediately learned from the physical environment, and survival-based evolution would certainly seem to be select for good cognition in regards to such matters. A being that can properly analyze and evaluate its environment and form extensive conclusions about empirical reality will be able to detect threats and find food much more successfully than a being that can’t. Since that’s all survival-based evolution selects for, and that’s all a “naturalist” believes in, there is no defeater for their belief in Plantinga’s argument, but rather a strengthening of their case.

Peace and God bless!
 
Ok, I’ve done some more reading on EAAN, and while I’m not yet confident in my understanding I do think there is at least one other major problem with it beyond the apparently arbitrary “low probability” designator.

Plantinga argues that evolution doesn’t select for true beliefs, but for surviving behaviors and assets, and therefore we can’t be certain that our cognitive abilities produce true beliefs. That naturalist, however, would agree with this, and would actually use this as a support for naturalism.

The reason for this is quite simple: the naturalist says that beliefs based on anything other than observational facts about the physical world are indeed unreliable. They are concerned only with what can be immediately learned from the physical environment, and survival-based evolution would certainly seem to be select for good cognition in regards to such matters. A being that can properly analyze and evaluate its environment and form extensive conclusions about empirical reality will be able to detect threats and find food much more successfully than a being that can’t. Since that’s all survival-based evolution selects for, and that’s all a “naturalist” believes in, there is no defeater for their belief in Plantinga’s argument, but rather a strengthening of their case.

Peace and God bless!
I think Plantinga has this covered. 😉

He argues that beliefs have two properties. On the one hand electro-chemical or neuro-physiological properties, which are set in the brain. On the other hand, they have a content. For instance, the belief that Proust is a more subtle writer than Louis L’Amour, has as content the proposition 'Proust is more subtle than Louis L’Amour (example on p. 322 of the book. It would be good to read that section, as it goes more into depth on the nature of beliefs than I can do here).

Plantinga says that any belief that increases survivability still can have a content that is false. When a belief triggers the right neurons in the brain (the neuro-physiological process) a man will survive a threat, but the belief doesn’t necessarily have to correspond to truth. There is probably much overlap, but survival increasing beliefs are not necessarily also true. In one of his other works, he gives this example:
Perhaps Paul very much likes the idea of being eaten, but when he sees a tiger, always runs off looking for a better prospect, because he thinks it unlikely the tiger he sees will eat him. This will get his body parts in the right place so far as survival is concerned, without involving much by way of true belief… Or perhaps he thinks the tiger is a large, friendly, cuddly pussycat and wants to pet it; but he also believes that the best way to pet it is to run away from it… Clearly there are any number of belief-desire systems that equally fit a given bit of behaviour.
 
It is a weak argument. Just how reliable are our cognitive faculties? We do not know, because the only means we have of testing their reliability is our own cognitive faculties. So, any assertion about their reliability is conjecture.

Furthermore, it could be that our cognitive faculties our very, very underdeveloped. Again, we would not know, because it is only such possibly underdeveloped faculties that perceive and judge them.
That might hold in a naturalistic worldview. But would it also in a theistic worldview?
 
I think Plantinga has this covered. 😉

He argues that beliefs have two properties. On the one hand electro-chemical or neuro-physiological properties, which are set in the brain. On the other hand, they have a content. For instance, the belief that Proust is a more subtle writer than Louis L’Amour, has as content the proposition 'Proust is more subtle than Louis L’Amour (example on p. 322 of the book. It would be good to read that section, as it goes more into depth on the nature of beliefs than I can do here).

Plantinga says that any belief that increases survivability still can have a content that is false. When a belief triggers the right neurons in the brain (the neuro-physiological process) a man will survive a threat, but the belief doesn’t necessarily have to correspond to truth. There is probably much overlap, but survival increasing beliefs are not necessarily also true. In one of his other works, he gives this example:
I don’t see how this addresses my point at all, honestly. The naturalist isn’t primarily interested in beliefs such as the subtlety of a writer’s work, but in the ability of the brain to make empirical observations and weigh facts, and it is precisely this kind of thought that the naturalist would say, with very good reason, is selected for most readily in survival situations. The naturalist doesn’t put much weight on the kind of beliefs your example, and Plantinga’s, is talking about; the naturalist never claims that evolution makes people a better judge of art, but rather that it makes them a better judge of empirical reality because that is precisely the kind of thing survival is based on.

Before we can even begin to form beliefs about the motivations of tigers we need to be able to make correct observations about tigers, like the size of their teeth and claws, and possibly seeing what they use them for. That is the only kind of “belief” that the naturalist is interested in, and notions like evolution aren’t about qualitative judgement, like the judging of art, but about observable phenomena.

So while Plantinga’s point may stand when it comes to judging the subtlety of Proust, a naturalist isn’t interested in the value of that kind of judgement, and wouldn’t put much stock in it as anything more than personal whim and opinion. Such beliefs, while having a low probability for being selected for in evolution, are also absolutely irrelevant to evolution. On the other hand our cognitive faculties regarding empirical data are quite relevant to survival, which means they’d be highly selected for by evolution, and they also happen to be the only kind of “beliefs” the naturalist is interested in; my opinion about tigers and their motivation is irrelevant, but my ability to recognize that*** it is*** a tiger and that it eats meat, which I happen to be made of, is extremely important one way or the other.

In Plantinga’s example of the tiger, the one thing that is certainly not faulty is the man’s judgement that he’s indeed looking at a tiger. You might say “but he might think he’s looking at a hot-air balloon, and he avoids it because he’s looking for a tiger to eat him and not a balloon to ride”, and while this could be true in this one case, such a faulty faculty for determining empirical reality would certainly hinder him in finding food, water, shelter, ect. The only thing that would reliably and consistently, across a wide population, provide for survival on all these factors would be a well-developed cognitive ability to observe and correctly identify empirical facts in all cases, and what else is the naturalist-evolutionist interested in, when it comes to cognitive faculties, but the mind’s ability to observe and correctly identify empirical facts?

Since the more personal beliefs are irrelevant to survival, and not based on the empirical reality the naturalist is focused on, the naturalist wouldn’t care whether or not evolution provides for a reliable cognitive faculty in that regard, and the inability for evolution to provide for a reliable cognitive faculty in this regard would not be a defeater for a belief in following the empirical data about evolution. On the contrary, it would be a defeater for following anything other than the empirical data, and therefore supports the position of the naturalist-evolutionist, which criticizes everything except empirical observations.

Plantinga’s mistake, it appears to me, is treating a belief in empirical reality as if it were the same as any other belief. Plantinga seems to think that naturalism is like a lofty religious dogma or philosophical premise, when in fact it’s a kind of intellectual minimalism and modesty (not in the virtuous sense, but rather in the sense that it makes very modest claims about the mind’s ability to make value judgements, and puts little stock in such things at any rate). The real puzzle for the naturalist is why we as a species tend to devote so much time and energy to “idle speculation” like philosophy and opinions about Proust’s writing style.

Peace and God bless!
 
C.S. Lewis first outlined this argument (as Plantinga acknowledges) in his book Miracles.
 
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