Thoughts - She who aborts when young could wind up "aborted" (Euthanized) herself when old

[JRKH]

It just occurred to me that, if the current trend of society continues…With legal and widespread abortion…and if the trend towards “assisted suicide” likewise continues and evolves, as some fear, into something less than a free choice decision on the part of the individual…
That people who, killed their babies, through abortion (for convenience sake) could find themselves killed by those charged with their care…likewise for convenience sake…

AND such people might have been able to live longer if they had children willing to care for an elderly and infirm parent…

Just a random thought…

Peace
James

 

[Nigel7]

That people who, killed their babies, through abortion (for convenience sake) could find themselves killed by those charged with their care…likewise for convenience sake…

The same could be said for anyone in such a society (where involuntary assisted suicide was accepted).
You make it sound however as though these particular women are reaping what they sow.

 

[JimG]

The same could be said for anyone in such a society (where involuntary assisted suicide was accepted).
You make it sound however as though these particular women are reaping what they sow.

Only if one blames abortion solely on women. But women most often seek abortion because of either lack of support from men or pressure from men and others–boyfriends, husbands, fathers, or yes, even their mothers and grandmothers. The culture of death takes hold of everyone. But what goes around comes around.

 

[manualman]

It’s not about individuals, but the OP is correct when viewing society as a whole.

Anyone remotely objective and educated in biology immediately recognizes that a fetus is a human being, homo sapien. In order for that person to rationalize abortion as being OK, they must make a seismic change in worldview and philosophy. They must abandon the traditional western notion that humans have an innate dignity and worth that arises from the very fact of their humanity and instead embrace a worldview in which humans are only special if they display attributes different from that of lower animals.

The inevitable outcome of that shift in philosophy is that people will begin to apply it to OTHER human beings who have attributes less distinctive from that of animals than someone considers to be normal. And that’s a VERY shifting sand basis to build on. It has already resulted in widespread acceptance of fetal experimentation and therapuetic cloning, it has resulted in a near genocide of people with Down’s Syndrome, it is the driving force behind the growing popularity of people like the late Jack Kevorkian who consider human life to no longer possess dignity when capabilities are lost… Absolutely this trend will continue. It’s only a matter of time before it leads to a comeback in Eugenics too.

 

[JRKH]

Yes - It may have been better if I ahd titled it…“They who abort…” instead of “she”.

Peace
James

 

[Sarcelle]

Or they could be parents who faithfully followed church teachings and raised their children in the faith. However these children, once grown, chose to follow the way of the world and now see their aged parents as more of a burden and a waste of money. I have seen this happen.

There’s no guarantee. Bad things can happen to good people. Sin affects everyone.

 

[vera_dicere]

With people having fewer children, I think its more of a finanical issue to euthananise the elderly. Not enough workers, not enough tax payers. People living longer. Govt. won’t be able to afford all those rest homes. I honestly think by the time I hit 65 it won’t be a mandatory retirement age I’ll have to worry about it.

I think we’ll see it in China first. They have a one child policy, so that one child will have to support two parents, and maybe uncles and aunties who’s daughters joined their husband’s families. They’ll start culling off their seniors.

 

[silenced]

"She who aborts when young could wind up ‘aborted’ (Euthanized) herself when old."

What about a 42-year-old woman? She’s not “young”. Would she get a pass?

This is ludicrous. Anyone can be murdered, euthanized, or neglected and abused to the point of death at any time in this life. What’s your point? Are you trying to say a woman who has an abortion better watch her back because God will swoop down with a great big syringe of Beuthasol and jab her in her 72-year-old neck when she’s standing in line with her walker at Costco’s?

Do you believe one’s entire life, from infancy to death, is already scripted out? Is there no value in regret? In asking for forgiveness? In changing one’s ways? Because if grief and sorrow and regret have no value, even to God, then what does it matter what we do here and what we learn here? If this is all predestined, then there is no value in prayer or atonement or communion with God.

Man, Catholicism sure has changed since 1960.

 

[JRKH]

Man, Catholicism sure has changed since 1960.

Please do not construe my personal observation for “Catholicism”. This thread that I created was simply a thought I had one morning and I decided to bring it up to get other people’s reaction and (name removed by moderator)ut. I thank you for yours.
I’m not sure if the questions below are mainly rhetorical or if you would truly like answers but I’ll offer some thoughts.

What about a 42-year-old woman? She’s not “young”. Would she get a pass?

Obviously the age of the of the person has no bearing on the sin.

This is ludicrous. Anyone can be murdered, euthanized, or neglected and abused to the point of death at any time in this life. What’s your point? Are you trying to say a woman who has an abortion better watch her back because God will swoop down with a great big syringe of Beuthasol and jab her in her 72-year-old neck when she’s standing in line with her walker at Costco’s?

Setting aside the hyperbolic comments…The point is this.
There are certain factors working together in today’s society - some already in place and others just being discussed - that are gradually eroding the sanctity of life. At the one end, it is abortion. At the other end it is “assisted suicide” and “euthanasia”.
Those who support and participate in the one (Abortion) are - in fact - supporting an outlook and belief system that could come back to haunt them in their old age.

Do you believe one’s entire life, from infancy to death, is already scripted out?

I don’t know that…It depends on whether we are talking from “God’s viewpoint” or from our viewpoint.

Is there no value in regret? In asking for forgiveness? In changing one’s ways? Because if grief and sorrow and regret have no value, even to God, then what does it matter what we do here and what we learn here? If this is all predestined, then there is no value in prayer or atonement or communion with God.

Now you have confused me here…Was there anything in my OP that suggested any of this? If so - I’d love for you to point it out.

Peace
James

 

[silenced]

Please do not construe my personal observation for “Catholicism”. This thread that I created was simply a thought I had one morning and I decided to bring it up to get other people’s reaction and (name removed by moderator)ut. I thank you for yours.
I’m not sure if the questions below are mainly rhetorical or if you would truly like answers but I’ll offer some thoughts.

Obviously the age of the of the person has no bearing on the sin.

Setting aside the hyperbolic comments…The point is this.
There are certain factors working together in today’s society - some already in place and others just being discussed - that are gradually eroding the sanctity of life. At the one end, it is abortion. At the other end it is “assisted suicide” and “euthanasia”.
Those who support and participate in the one (Abortion) are - in fact - supporting an outlook and belief system that could come back to haunt them in their old age.

I don’t know that…It depends on whether we are talking from “God’s viewpoint” or from our viewpoint.

Now you have confused me here…Was there anything in my OP that suggested any of this? If so - I’d love for you to point it out.

Peace
James

If life is scripted out then we take no detours in pursuit of knowledge or any other worthwhile thing. Detours = verboten. Look, anything we do can come back to haunt us - we don’t have to be old to feel bitter or ashamed about prior bad acts. It’s not just the extremes, such as abortion and euthanasia that should so worrisome to you - it’s everything in between the extremes that goes unnoticed and considered acceptable, from borrowing something and not returning it to breaking one’s word in a personal agreement. Everything has consequences. Someone who drives five miles over the speed limit is flirting with sanctity of life issues because he is putting himself and his own agenda ahead of the safety of the other drivers. There are innumerable offenses to be found between the extremes that mock the sanctity of life.

And yet I support one’s right to choose what his or her behavior will be, even if the consequences are painful. It’s the backdraft from free will. Everything has a price.

 

[JRKH]

If life is scripted out then we take no detours in pursuit of knowledge or any other worthwhile thing. Detours = verboten. Look, anything we do can come back to haunt us - we don’t have to be old to feel bitter or ashamed about prior bad acts. It’s not just the extremes, such as abortion and euthanasia that should so worrisome to you - it’s everything in between the extremes that goes unnoticed and considered acceptable, from borrowing something and not returning it to breaking one’s word in a personal agreement. Everything has consequences. Someone who drives five miles over the speed limit is flirting with sanctity of life issues because he is putting himself and his own agenda ahead of the safety of the other drivers. There are innumerable offenses to be found between the extremes that mock the sanctity of life.

You are quite correct. There ARE many many examples of things that are not “extreme” but are things that we should be concerned about. No argument there. If that was the point of your earlier post…I completely missed it amongst all the hyperbole. The above is a much more clear explanation. Thank you.

And yet I support one’s right to choose what his or her behavior will be, even if the consequences are painful. It’s the backdraft from free will. Everything has a price.

I too support one’s right to choose. In fact there is really little we can do to take that right away. Of course when one person’s right to choose causes the death of another, the consequences of that choice need to be clearly spelled out.
The thought put forward in the OP was simply that…An expression of a thought process and the possible logical consequences of that thought process.

Peace
James

 

[JimG]

Yes, everything has consequences. That was the point of the original post. Some decisions come back to haunt us because of their bad consequences. The lesson is to try not to make bad decisions that will have bad consequences for years or generations to come.

Everyone has free will. Free will is a gift from God. He allows us to choose good or evil, with a recommendation that we choose the good, precisely to avoid the bad consequences. Nothing remarkable about that.

Cain kills his brother and touts his right to choose. But the consequences were not good.