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Guitar Music, they once had someone with an electric guitar and drums, Female Altar Servers, Tabernacle not in Center, Priest Rarely uses incense, Eucharistic Ministers (use at every Mass even when not needed. They have two priests and two deacons. No need for eucharistic ministers at all). They do all the things that I completely despise about the post V2 form of Mass. I just wanted to show everyone why I chose to go to an Orthodox church vs a local parish. Had to let a little steam off I guess. My ideal parish would be like this one.

cantius.org/

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materecclesiae.org/home.php

But I know that where I live now this would only be a pipe dream.
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I know from your profile that you call your religion Orthodox and not Catholic but your wording is horrible in this post. That you can allow yourself to DESPISE what might be approved and proper to an acceptable and still reverent Catholic Mass since Vatican II speaks of your disdain for the holy, not of your desire to uphold the holy. Really, **you despise ** … ?
 
bkovacs said:
The majority of them prefer the new ways. They do not wish to give up their eucharistic ministerial duties, or loose their female altar servers. And God forbid if they had to put their guitars down and learn Gregorian Chant.
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In the 30 years I have been in my current parish, 90% of the converts to the Church attend the 9:30 am “guitar” Mass. (The Saturday Vigil, Sunday 8 am, and 11 am are traditional organ).

This is from personal observation. We have EMHC’s, female altar servers, and little or no chant.

Yet, we are a vibrant, growing parish, bursting at the seams in our 1905-built, 250 seat church. We just started a brand-new 800 seat church, with a very traditional design.

If you want to stay home because the Mass in your area doesn’t meet your personal approval or needs, that is between you and your confessor. But there are plenty of vibrant and growing parishes out there, who are doing just fine with the “new” ways.
 
bkovacs said:
Telling this parish what they have become will do no good. The majority of them prefer the new ways. They do not wish to give up their eucharistic ministerial duties, or loose their female altar servers. And God forbid if they had to put their guitars down and learn Gregorian Chant. Will not happen!. It’s a lost cause, that unfortunately means either no church or move on to a schismatic church. I have no other alternatives. I’m not going to quit my job so I can get a job with a better schedule so I can attend a TLM 40 miles away. I’m plain out of luck. Maybe I’ll just stay home and pray the mass out of my new 1962 missal on Sundays and follow the EF calendar. Seems like my only option till a TLM is offered near me. Maybe their is a TLM I can watch on the internet every Sunday and feast day streaming.
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So you would rather join a schismatic Church than put up with unpious Christians.
 
Brother_John said:
In the 30 years I have been in my current parish, 90% of the converts to the Church attend the 9:30 am “guitar” Mass. (The Saturday Vigil, Sunday 8 am, and 11 am are traditional organ).

This is from personal observation. We have EMHC’s, female altar servers, and little or no chant.

Yet, we are a vibrant, growing parish, bursting at the seams in our 1905-built, 250 seat church. We just started a brand-new 800 seat church, with a very traditional design.

If you want to stay home because the Mass in your area doesn’t meet your personal approval or needs, that is between you and your confessor. But there are plenty of vibrant and growing parishes out there, who are doing just fine with the “new” ways.
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Down with the new ways. In with the Old out with the New. I really am a strong adherent to fixing these problems.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Down with the new ways. In with the Old out with the New. I really am a strong adherent to fixing these problems.
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But you don’t just fix the problems by getting rid of all the changes that Rome has permitted. That’s moving backward. We can unify the Church by keeping the NO and still making the TLM more easily available as well.
 
It seems some would rather abandon reception of the Eucharist than attend a Mass not of their liking. While I do feel sorry for past offenses against the TLM folks I don’t consider it fair play to just plan on doing the reverse to those who prefer the NO. The compromise is to have a TLM in every parish while keeping the NO alongside it. There is room for all of us.
 
goofyjim said:
But you don’t just fix the problems by getting rid of all the changes that Rome has permitted. That’s moving backward. We can unify the Church by keeping the NO and still making the TLM more easily available as well.
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True, however I think that Vatican II has created many rifts in the Church.
 
goofyjim said:
It seems some would rather abandon reception of the Eucharist than attend a Mass not of their liking. While I do feel sorry for past offenses against the TLM folks I don’t consider it fair play to just plan on doing the reverse to those who prefer the NO. The compromise is to have a TLM in every parish while keeping the NO alongside it. There is room for all of us.
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Quite true. If it weren’t for compromise, what would the Church be today?
 
goofyjim said:
Folks, there may be liturgical abuses out there but please stop treating the NO as if it is a liturgical abuse in and of itself. If done properly it isn’t. And if you are going to refuse the Eucharist just because of a change in the Mass then I seriously question the devotion to begin with. All those pictures were outside events. They did not give any indication that there was anything wrong going on at the Mass.
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Watch this video
youtube.com/watch?v=n4l6TvRX0EI&feature=related
 
goofyjim said:
It seems some would rather abandon reception of the Eucharist than attend a Mass not of their liking. While I do feel sorry for past offenses against the TLM folks I don’t consider it fair play to just plan on doing the reverse to those who prefer the NO. The compromise is to have a TLM in every parish while keeping the NO alongside it. There is room for all of us.
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I agree. But sadly this isn’t the case. The majority of current parish priests in the US and abroad only want the NO not both. They are not willing to learn or refresh themselves in the TLM. Thankfully the Pope now requires all new seminarians to learn both forms. So we will see how long it takes.
 
bkovacs said:
I agree. But sadly this isn’t the case. The majority of current parish priests in the US and abroad only want the NO not both. They are not willing to learn or refresh themselves in the TLM. Thankfully the Pope now requires all new seminarians to learn both forms. So we will see how long it takes.
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I suspect, that with minor exception, the clamor for the TLM will die off with the generations born before 1960, although the only clamor I have ever personally experienced is here at CAF.
 
Brother_John said:
I suspect, that with minor exception, the clamor for the TLM will die off with the generations born before 1960, although the only clamor I have ever personally experienced is here at CAF.
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But the young now yearn for the TLM!. So it will live on.🙂
 
bkovacs said:
But the young now yearn for the TLM!. So it will live on.🙂
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Latin still lives as the official language of the Roman Catholic Church - not Italian or German or Polish or any other language.
 
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