Thousands attack Christian homes, shops in Egyptian village [CWN]

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Exactly. You hit it on the nail. People of good will will naturally think everyone is like them and that everyone thinks like them… eg. we take democracy for granted in the West and we think everyone is a democratic person but it is not so.

In Europe we have some secular Muslims who are politicians. You know what happens when they go to certain areas where there are many Moslems while doing their political campaigns? They meet these words from Muslim youths: “You know you cannot really work for this Western illegitimate system…”
the issue that I see with this is that anyone who is a Muslim is supposed to be obidient to Quran and its laws first. Considering that Sharia laws are the total opposite of Western law there is a huge contradiction at hand.
Incidentally, during WWII times when Hitler came to power and started prosecuting Jews and other “undesireables”, many people WOULDN’T believe that atrocities reported were true and continued with their denials until the very end, when Gestapo came for them. There is a lesson to be learned from this :yup:
 
the issue that I see with this is that anyone who is a Muslim is supposed to be obidient to Quran and its laws first. Considering that Sharia laws are the total opposite of Western law there is a huge contradiction at hand.
The Qur’an also teaches loyalty towards your country where you are not living in a Muslim country but are afforded the practice of your faith, and it actually also teaches that where Islamic faith is oppressed, it is better to leave and find another friendlier country rather than hating the country.

EDIT: It must also be added that for the majority of Muslims I’ve met, they see shariah as only covering civil matters such as divorce or property where you are not living in a Muslim country.
 
The Qur’an also teaches loyalty towards your country where you are not living in a Muslim country but are afforded the practice of your faith, and it actually also teaches that where Islamic faith is oppressed, it is better to leave and find another friendlier country rather than hating the country.
To parrot you:

“Source/citation please”.
 
The Qur’an also teaches loyalty towards your country where you are not living in a Muslim country but are afforded the practice of your faith, and it actually also teaches that where Islamic faith is oppressed, it is better to leave and find another friendlier country rather than hating the country.

EDIT: It must also be added that for the majority of Muslims I’ve met, they see shariah as only covering civil matters such as divorce or property where you are not living in a Muslim country.
er…yeah, that must be it-as a matter of fact Muslims in England/France/Holland are so loyal to their new country that they want to be governed by Sharia law EXCLUSIVELY. and since they think its so wondeful, they definately want all the Westerners to enjoy it too:thumbsup: Actually I read that in Sweden, where there is huge Muslim population, police is not very excited to go into these areas, and neither are firefighters or paramedics. Wonder why since we all know how well Muslims obey the laws and respect their new countries?:confused:
 
er…yeah, that must be it-as a matter of fact Muslims in England/France/Holland are so loyal to their new country that they want to be governed by Sharia law EXCLUSIVELY. and since they think its so wondeful, they definately want all the Westerners to enjoy it too:thumbsup: Actually I read that in Sweden, where there is huge Muslim population, police is not very excited to go into these areas, and neither are firefighters or paramedics. Wonder why since we all know how well Muslims obey the laws and respect their new countries?:confused:
Don’t believe the hype of the right-wing press. A lot of this is sheer hype written/said by people who’ve never actually bothered to read a Qur’an or book on sharia, or indeed speak to any 'alim regarding sharia.
 
I didn’t know there was such an animal as “right wing press”.:confused:
 
I understand you and I know you have not been here that long.

CCC841 has caused a great deal of conflict between Catholics and Catholics on here.
Then they are seeing straight through 844 as though transparent.
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
It’s not so much about your beliefs, it’s about what you do and don’t do.

“they shall be known by their fruits”
 
Don’t believe the hype of the right-wing press. A lot of this is sheer hype written/said by people who’ve never actually bothered to read a Qur’an or book on sharia, or indeed speak to any 'alim regarding sharia.
Oh dear…
here we go. The problem in most of nothern Europe where I grew up is that we almost only have left-wing media. Actually most schools and news papers are run by social democrats or people further to the left.

For this reason in Scandinavia eg. people grew up with the motto: “A stranger is a friend you have not yet met”… I myself used to love the multicultural idea.
We had Vietnamese and Srilankan and Polish people and they were integrating.

In the 1990s we were all startled out of our sleep when young men from Muslim families comitted group rape… and we saw quite many cases of this. We had never heard about such attrocities unless reading in some book about Somalia or something… and here we were seeing lokal girls group raped by Muslim youth.
Even as shocking: The boy’s mother’s and whole families would stand outside the courtroom and shouting and defending their boys and deny they had done evil.

I was very shuddered. I had no idea what was going on.
As I went on in the school system and became older I met and saw many Muslim people. I went to class with severel… Often the girls did better in school than the boys. The boys did not respect female teachers and they were doing badly.
Today there are areas all over Scandinavia where the native people cannot enter in the evening, where you are only able to walk freely if you are Arab or or foreigner and where even the police are scared to enter. There are gangs who wanna make their own tax systems etc… There are Arabs there throwing stones… Oh man, more than once I have heard from young leftist friends who went on their bicycle through such a place and were threatened… it was an eyeopening experience.

We meet young Muslims who say things like: “I wish Hitler had finished the jews off”, young arabs who celebrated in the streets at 9/11.
Once at my school… an arab girl was beaten up by a bunch of arab girls and boys because they didn’t like her western style. Also on the open street once an arab guy was hitting an arab girl. People were scared to death and didn’t know what to do… an old Christian woman I know walked by and told the guy to stop abusing the girl.

I have talked to young Muslims that say they believe Sharia is the right way and that they will have sharia if they become the majority. We also see islamic youth standing on the streets yelling “Allah is greater… nuke this country, we wanna see blood in the streets of that country and this etc etc.” The more islamic they are, the more violent their speech.
We have for a number of years seen honour killings - always only girls who are killed or molested by fathers or brothers. And young women who are forced to marry when they don’t want to.

We have countries here steeped in leftist propaganda, telling our populations to be friendly and tolerant… and then we walk outside and we see the facts and we read the Quran and hadith and we see that the Islamic ideology is bad. Muhammad was bad…
The people in islam are brainwashed just like the communists and the nazis were brainwashed into believing in inhuman ideologies which do not respect the inherent dignity of man…
 
Islam is a savage religion that is stuck in the 7th century and has no place in a modern society.

If you want to see what Islam does to a modern civilization, just study Iran. Iran was a good country and a good place to live pre-1979. Just look at how Islam has completely ruined that country.
 
Islam is a savage religion that is stuck in the 7th century and has no place in a modern society.

If you want to see what Islam does to a modern civilization, just study Iran. Iran was a good country and a good place to live pre-1979. Just look at how Islam has completely ruined that country.
Right

And yes Iran “is” a recent example in history well documented. And there you have your Sharia Law lived out by todays Islamic leaders who btw the entire middle-east are now inclined to be presuaded by. Stark reality of a revert to barbarism.

Today your seeing that repeat in Egypt. So too the correct response by the Coptic Church.
 
too many people have an attitude of an ostrich where they have their head stuck in the sand permanently:rolleyes: and can’t see what Islam is and what it teaches. I guess they just can’t believe that it can be possible. People like that will be our downfall
Amen:thumbsup:

There resides the issue of being disconnected to reality by geography. Since the bubble one lives in is a very different world, where one skips down lollipop lane and it rains skittles, they somehow conclude “everyone” else will resolve the problem and the fairy-tale will continue for them. And that very life came at the cost of those who did see truth, who did put their petty differences aside.

God forbid you ever have to walk in those lands and live those Christian lives. Then all these things you thought you knew, then you would truly understand.

This disconnected reality also continues to promote division in Christianity instead of unity. So to it leaves Islam in the west with a distorted view of reality in some situations, other’s an intention to mislead.

Problem with 841 and the CCC as mentioned above is not complete comprehension of the CCC. Again ist choosing issues to intentionally divide instead of constantly seeking unity. One cannot read the CCC and conclude Christ is not the only path. I in one paragraph this could be summed up basically. And has been.

Divide and conquer is not a new concept of war. And Christians do this to themselves by choice, to promote their own agenda which cannot live on that path anyway. Its a doomed concept and certainly not of God.

Unfortunate one must have to stand in the middle of war-zone in battle to come to this truth. How quickly pride, indifference and difference is dismissed then. And that war zone edge’s closer and closer to this ignorance.

Peace
 
Oh dear…
here we go. The problem in most of nothern Europe where I grew up is that we almost only have left-wing media. Actually most schools and news papers are run by social democrats or people further to the left.
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Most of what you list in your post is purely cultural and often has an Islamic label attached to it simply for convenience because it so happens that the person who committed such an act happens to be Muslim, and such labels of religion are often used where other labels are not applicable.

The Qur’an has within it many passages promoting equality of the sexes in all matter from marriage to education, human rights and religious practice.

Your example of the young boys who are failing school because of their lack of respect- is this anything new? It’s not a Muslim thing, it’s not even a religious thing, and misogyny and sexism can be found in ANY culture or group you choose, Muslim or not.

Ditto the supposed Muslim ghettos which exist in some cities- I have lived in areas controlled by drug gangs, where crossing the city was a dangerous thing as you crossed gang territories. You didn’t dare go into these areas from outside unless you wanted trouble, expecially after dark. Again, nothing new.
 
  • I have lived in areas controlled by drug gangs, where crossing the city was a dangerous thing as you crossed gang territories. You didn’t dare go into these areas from outside unless you wanted trouble, expecially after dark. Again, nothing new.
You realize of course, that you just compared the Muslim neighborhood to areas controlled by drug gangs.
 
That “photograph” you ‘innocently’ refer to was of three copts raping the muslim girl. When you live in a mixed community in a small village what do you expect to be the response?
I could find no story about ‘3’ men ‘apparently’ raping a muslim girl.
The only story I found was this one:

Story here

And even in the article, the girl in question doesnt even know her attacker, she only said he had a jacket on. Yeah that is great proof to go crazy and burn Coptic business and kill innocent people hey?

And interestingly enough, i have found MANY articles on Coptic girls being kidnapped, forced to convert, raped and the pictures of them are taken while they are raped and are being blackmailed if they do not convert, the photos will be sent to their families.
What to you think their response should be? Start burning down muslim businesses and killing them? How about burning down mosques, is that the answer?
Rioting and looting will never get anyone anywhere, but its obvious to muslim its the only way to go :rolleyes:
I think you will find it is christendom that is the savage faith. Your history is one of slaughter for jews and muslims and minorities such as in the amerikas. Where are the muslims of spain? Killed off. And eastern europe? Killed off. The copts & assyrians catholics & maronites & jews have all lived in peace within the muslim lands for 1400 years, protected under sharia law.
Where are your minority communities of muslims and jews from centuries past?
Your having a laugh arent you, you couldnt possible be keeping a straight face when your typing this out.
I think you need a good dose of proper history lessons that actually happened, not the ones you are lead to believe that happened!
 
I could find no story about ‘3’ men ‘apparently’ raping a muslim girl.
The only story I found was this one:

Story here

And even in the article, the girl in question doesnt even know her attacker, she only said he had a jacket on. Yeah that is great proof to go crazy and burn Coptic business and kill innocent people hey?

And interestingly enough, i have found MANY articles on Coptic girls being kidnapped, forced to convert, raped and the pictures of them are taken while they are raped and are being blackmailed if they do not convert, the photos will be sent to their families.
What to you think their response should be? Start burning down muslim businesses and killing them? How about burning down mosques, is that the answer?
Rioting and looting will never get anyone anywhere, but its obvious to muslim its the only way to go :rolleyes:

Your having a laugh arent you, you couldnt possible be keeping a straight face when your typing this out.
I think you need a good dose of proper history lessons that actually happened, not the ones you are lead to believe that happened!
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