Three days and three nights in the tomb (Revisited)

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rstrats said:
Duane1966,

You have a question directed to you in post #37.
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I guess I do not understand what you are asking. You have said several times that there is a missing nighttime. A full three nights and a full three days has been shown, per your request.
 
Duane1966,
re: "I guess I do not understand what you are asking.

Your guess is correct.

re: “You have said several times that there is a missing nighttime.”

There is with a 6th day of the week/1st day of the week resurrection. But that is predicated on the “heart of the earth” meaning the tomb.

re: “A full three nights and a full three days has been shown, per your request.”

That’s not my request.
 
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There is with a 6th day of the week/1st day of the week resurrection. But that is predicated on the “heart of the earth” meaning the tomb.
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No it isn’t. “Heart of the earth” can easily mean when the authorities who had taken Him into custody.
 
Duane1966,
re: “No it isn’t. ‘Heart of the earth’ can easily mean when the authorities who had taken Him into custody.”

Yes it is. There have been some 6th day of the week crucifixion /1st day of the week resurrection advocates who believe that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb. That period of time would allow for 2 night times to be involved. The Messiah, though, said that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 night times. To explain this seeming discrepancy, some of them say that the Messiah was using common Jewish idiomatic/figure of speech/colloquial language. However, If it was common usage, there would have to be examples in order to legitimately say that it was common. I am simply asking any “heart of the earth means the tomb believers” to provide some of these examples.
 
rstrats said:
Duane1966,
re: “No it isn’t. ‘Heart of the earth’ can easily mean when the authorities who had taken Him into custody.”

Yes it is. There have been some 6th day of the week crucifixion /1st day of the week resurrection advocates who believe that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb. That period of time would allow for 2 night times to be involved. The Messiah, though, said that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 night times. To explain this seeming discrepancy, some of them say that the Messiah was using common Jewish idiomatic/figure of speech/colloquial language. However, If it was common usage, there would have to be examples in order to legitimately say that it was common. I am simply asking any “heart of the earth means the tomb believers” to provide some of these examples.
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Okay. My apologies, my fault.
 
Duane1966,
re: “Okay. My apologies, my fault.”

No problem, perhaps someone new looking in will know of examples.
 
The Messiah said that 3 night times would be involved with His time in the “heart of the earth”. However, there are those who believe that the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who think that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time between the leaving of His spirit from His body and His resurrection on the 1st day of the week. But this belief allows for only 2 night times to be involved. To reconcile this discrepancy some say that the Messiah was using common Jewish idiomatic/figure of speech/colloquial language. I am simply asking for examples to support that assertion of commonality, i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.
 
You need to search in a different direction. When you cannot answer a bible problem, you need to check your assumptions, figure out what you don’t know, etc. The answer is not that the three days and three nights Jesus spoke about in Matt 12:40-41 is parts of a day, rather you need to see that Jesus could be in the heart of the earth in at least two different locations. “Just as” Jonah was in the belly of the ship and in the belly of the whale for a total of three days and three nights so Jesus was in the high priest’s dry cistern, Pilate’s underground dungeon and then in the tomb for a total of three days and three nights, The nine or so trials Jesus went through started on Wednesday night, but He was not buried in His tomb until late Friday afternoon. Jesus was only in the tomb for one day and two nights, but He was in the “heart of the earth” for three days and three nights. The heart of the earth can and does mean more than in the tomb.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce Killian,

Thanks for the comments, but I’m afraid they are with regard to different issues from the OP. BTW, the topic title is not the original one. For some reason it was changed by the MODS.
 
rstrats said:
Bruce Killian,

Thanks for the comments, but I’m afraid they are with regard to different issues from the OP. BTW, the topic title is not the original one. For some reason it was changed by the MODS.
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Since you are asking how do we know Jesus died on Friday rather than how was He three days and three nights in the tomb. In Acts 2:20 Peter refers back to signs that all saw the sun darkened and the moon turned to blood. There was a lunar eclipse on Friday Apr 3, A.D. 33 see Chronology of Jesus scripturescholar.com/ChronologyJesus.pdf
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce Killian,
re: “Since you are asking how do we know Jesus died on Friday…”

That is not what I am asking. See post #47.
 
Bruce_Killian said:
You need to search in a different direction. When you cannot answer a bible problem, you need to check your assumptions, figure out what you don’t know, etc. The answer is not that the three days and three nights Jesus spoke about in Matt 12:40-41 is parts of a day, rather you need to see that Jesus could be in the heart of the earth in at least two different locations. “Just as” Jonah was in the belly of the ship and in the belly of the whale for a total of three days and three nights so Jesus was in the high priest’s dry cistern, Pilate’s underground dungeon and then in the tomb for a total of three days and three nights, The nine or so trials Jesus went through started on Wednesday night, but He was not buried in His tomb until late Friday afternoon. Jesus was only in the tomb for one day and two nights, but He was in the “heart of the earth” for three days and three nights. The heart of the earth can and does mean more than in the tomb.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
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So the traditional view that Jesus was arrested on Thursday night and was crucified the following morning is wrong?
 
James248 said:
So the traditional view that Jesus was arrested on Thursday night and was crucified the following morning is wrong?
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You picked that up quite quickly. That is my strong belief. As far as I know this was first proposed by the Catholic scholar Annie Jaubert PhD after studying the dead sea scrolls in the 1950. The solar Passover was always on Wednesday, starting on Tuesday evening. I do hold that Jesus died on Friday and Rose about dawn on Sunday.
grace and peace,
Bruce
 
rstrats said:
Bruce Killian,
re: “Since you are asking how do we know Jesus died on Friday…”

That is not what I am asking. See post #47.
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There are no such examples, that I am aware of and I have studied Bible chronology extensively. That is why I believe your premise does not hold up. At one time I held the premise that the three hour period of darkness on the day Jesus died counted as a night and that Jesus was counted as being in the tomb from the time He was condemned to death by Pilate at 6AM Friday. So there was a six hour day, a three hour night, then a three hour day, then a 12 hour night, then a 12 day, then a 12 hour night. Because day and night are defined by light and dark rather then by any rotation of the earth.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce Killian,
re: “The nine or so trials Jesus went through started on Wednesday night, but He was not buried in His tomb until late Friday afternoon. Jesus was only in the tomb for one day and two nights, but He was in the “heart of the earth” for three days and three nights. The heart of the earth can and does mean more than in the tomb.”

re: “I do hold that Jesus…Rose about dawn on Sunday.”

That period of time would involve 5 calendar days, 5 night times and at least 4 daytimes.
 
Does anyone think that the “heart of the earth” mentioned in Matthew 12:40 is only referring to the tomb?
 
Bruce_Killian said:
You picked that up quite quickly. That is my strong belief. As far as I know this was first proposed by the Catholic scholar Annie Jaubert PhD after studying the dead sea scrolls in the 1950. The solar Passover was always on Wednesday, starting on Tuesday evening. I do hold that Jesus died on Friday and Rose about dawn on Sunday.
grace and peace,
Bruce
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Couldn’t John have been simply referring to the Hagigah sacrifice that took place after the eating of the Paschal Lamb?
 
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