Three Principals For Honoring Your Husband

[thewanderer]

These are not arguments.
These are merely slogans and insults.
Moreover their not even new ones.
You just cut and pasted some stuff from the OP.

That was actually from a different thread that he started talking about the duties of a husband… I think the point was to show that he is not onesidedly addresing women.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

It’s pretty amazing that this was posted in another thread and it’s not 9 pages.

After all, all it says it that we men are REQUIRED to serve and sacrifice everything we have and are for our wife. How did not even one man get all bent out of shape about this and complain for 9 pages about how we don’t like what God tells us to do?

Probably because nobody (for the most part) have ever really tried to enforce the Pauline verse about men loving their wives. Whereas the one about women (or for that matter slaves) being submissive has been very influential from a legal and social perspective.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I can assure you that the broken family has ruined this country and that IS my business. I have carried a rifle two times on foreign soil in defense of this country and I just happen to care if it lives or dies…look around, conventional wisdom is like peer pressure! And it is killing ALL of us!

Who are you trying to argue with?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

??? I am not thinking I was even in that neiborhood!

Men, who are called to serve as husbands and fathers, I pray that you find these words and may the seeds be planted in the hearts of all men that will hear you. It was the destruction of the family that has destroyed this nation in the US and your virtue (Latin word meaning “to be a man.”) will break any sword.
You have the duty to serve, firstly your wife; yet, you do not know your role!
You are her Savior!
You are her Sanctifier!
You are her Satisfier!
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church. Christ showed His love in SACRIFICE, SUFFERING and SUBSTITUTION.
Sacrificing for Your Wife by his command and example, He gave Himself up for The Holy Mother Church, The Bride of Christ! Your love should be cruciform-in the shape of a cross. It is NOT about wearing a crown and being King of our castle. He wore a crown of THORNS first and then the cross came before His glory! Is the sacrificial way you love your wife obvious in ANY way? Men love to rap, rap, rap about their love and sound SO impressive about how we are going to protect them and even die if need be. Who do you personally know anyone who has actually taken a bullet? Can you nail your desires and agenda to the cross and love our wives and meet her needs? The sacrifice has to go beyond words…she HAS to see you walk that walk!
To sanctify something is to set it apart from ordinary use for a special purpose. God takes ordinary objects and peoples and sanctifies them for His Glory. They are set apart from their past and unto the future He would wish for them. You made promises to your wife (or will) about her future, are you just parroting words? Again, the Bride of Christ, His Body, and The Church is disconnected from a past of sin and through His grace we are made obedient to His given law and will. The process of this transformation was manifested through His death and until you die to yourself and leave your worldly desires in the world you should be disconnected from, you are not the example that Christ gave; you are just talking a good talk! If a man does not work, he should not eat…seeing how Hollywood, the TV and the ‘street’ are the antithesis of the truth?
Satisfying the needs of your wife as Christ does for His Church is probably a little harder than any of us thought it would be. “C’mon, I had NO IDEA that she was THAT needy!” Well, you talked such a good game while you were trying to win her over…but, you did not realize that you were going to have to become a servant to learn how to become the leader. Christ washed the feet of His Apostles giving us the example to do as He has done. Do not wait around for your wives to serve you, set the example in your home by being the one who serves!

Why do you keep cutting and pasting the exact same argument?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Hardly gives license to excuse the wife’s responsibility, it was not a suggestion. It IS a commandment. God does not hear the prayers of a man that leaves a hurt on his woman’s heart. She IS His little girl, after all!

Its condescending talk like that that makes me glad I am not a woman.
I would find it difficult not to become violent if people were always talking down to me like this just because of my gender:shrug:

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Originally Posted by Serap
feminism was the result of female oppression.

It is a result of Satan! The communist Manifesto is a perversion of Christ’s teachings. It is only beautiful on the surface.

And nobody, especially me is advocating oppressing anything! Free will is KEY! Submission is a matter of function; Not position.

Somehow I was expecting you to say that

It used to amaze me how quick certain Christians are to label anything they don’t like as Satanic. But I have gotten more jaded since then, and at this point I am merely morbidly amused.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

yeah, I too hate it when woman try to be men. it’s really unattractive.

my favourite work bosses are women who are nurturing and sensitive in their leadership style.

I suspect judcargile doesn’t approve of women in leadership positions at all.
Of course I could be pleasantly surprised

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I am making a difference now: We never see our fruit; Sometimes, all we can do is plant the seeds. Are you going to order Tony Evans book on this?

Considering the way that you have promoted it:
No.

It doesn’t sound very interesting to me.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

The conventional wisdom that has anything besides two parents raising their kids and makes a woman feel less because she “has no career.” when raising children is the most important job in the world.

The peer pressure that assumes men and women having different functions means that one is less than!

I could go on and on; But, you are touching on it. I can find NO saving grace on the feminist movement,** it is a communist invention**!

Do you have anything to prove that grand claim?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Being called to be a wife and mother is one thing. Being called to be a CEO of a fortune 500 company is quite another calling. I LOVE Margret Thatcher, Mother Theresa, Mother Angelica, I LOVE women. It burns my tail to see the lies of the lefy so readily accepted!

For those of you that missed it:

Men, who are called to serve as husbands and fathers, I pray that you find these words and may the seeds be planted in the hearts of all men that will hear you. It was the destruction of the family that has destroyed this nation in the US and your virtue (Latin word meaning “to be a man.”) will break any sword.
You have the duty to serve, firstly your wife; yet, you do not know your role!
You are her Savior!
You are her Sanctifier!
You are her Satisfier!
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church. Christ showed His love in SACRIFICE, SUFFERING and SUBSTITUTION.
Sacrificing for Your Wife by his command and example, He gave Himself up for The Holy Mother Church, The Bride of Christ! Your love should be cruciform-in the shape of a cross. It is NOT about wearing a crown and being King of our castle. He wore a crown of THORNS first and then the cross came before His glory! Is the sacrificial way you love your wife obvious in ANY way? Men love to rap, rap, rap about their love and sound SO impressive about how we are going to protect them and even die if need be. Who do you personally know anyone who has actually taken a bullet? Can you nail your desires and agenda to the cross and love our wives and meet her needs? The sacrifice has to go beyond words…she HAS to see you walk that walk!
To sanctify something is to set it apart from ordinary use for a special purpose. God takes ordinary objects and peoples and sanctifies them for His Glory. They are set apart from their past and unto the future He would wish for them. You made promises to your wife (or will) about her future, are you just parroting words? Again, the Bride of Christ, His Body, and The Church is disconnected from a past of sin and through His grace we are made obedient to His given law and will. The process of this transformation was manifested through His death and until you die to yourself and leave your worldly desires in the world you should be disconnected from, you are not the example that Christ gave; you are just talking a good talk! If a man does not work, he should not eat…seeing how Hollywood, the TV and the ‘street’ are the antithesis of the truth?
Satisfying the needs of your wife as Christ does for His Church is probably a little harder than any of us thought it would be. “C’mon, I had NO IDEA that she was THAT needy!” Well, you talked such a good game while you were trying to win her over…but, you did not realize that you were going to have to become a servant to learn how to become the leader. Christ washed the feet of His Apostles giving us the example to do as He has done. Do not wait around for your wives to serve you, set the example in your home by being the one who serves!

The same tired not-argument again.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Trace the history, dates, people, it is born out of evil, just like the liberation theologies and as I do support civil rights, the civil rights movement was also born of communism. It appears to unite, but, only functions to divide!

Would it be correct to assume in your ideal America women and black people would never have gotten the vote then (since that was the work of the Feminists and Civil Rights activists you hate so much)?

 

[Portrait]

I was called to be a wife and mother…and an information technology analyst

modern society makes it very difficult to be a SAHM. men’s salaries are much lower than they used to be and in Canada, 40% of a our income is tax.

banks want their mortgage payments on time.

Dear Serap,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

It may not be fashionable to say this in the eglatarian times in which our lot is cast, but for a woman to be a mother and have a career is most unsatisfactory.

Indeed, it would be most beneficial to society if married women ceased to be involved in the world of work and concentrated on devoting themselves exclusively to the needs of their husband and children. Contrary to the warped thinking of radical femenism, there is nothing inferior or undignified in being a ‘homemaker’, for this is to be engaged in the divinely ordained role of motherhood and to find true fulfillment. St. Paul wanted women to assume this divinely ordained role of rearing godly offspring and managing a home (see I Titus 2: 4-5) and many of us believe that family stability and happiness would be greatly improved were more women to submit themselves exclusively to motherhood. The enormous pressures of simultaneously holding down a job and being a mother are considerable indeed, but completely unnecessary, if only spouses were prepared to accept a more modest income and standard of living. Sadly, many modern families are not prepared to do this and are greedy for gain at the expense of a stable family life. Children often suffer as a result.

Dear sister, I appreciate that modern society does make it extremely difficult for a woman to be devoted exclusively to motherhood, with the husband being the sole breadwinner. Nevertheless, it is not impossible, provided that spouses are prepared to make sacrifices and content themselves with a more simple lifestyle. True, many do insist that both must work, simply to ensure that the basic utility bills can be settled and they keep up mortgage repayments. Even ordinary living can be an arduous business nowadays, but I think that Catholic men and women need to urgently rethink what are their priorities and ask themselves what things are really important in life, especially if they enjoy a comfortable and affluent standard of living as a result of them both being employed. Even if only the husband went out to work, they would probably still be much better off than those in receipt of government handouts, such as the the workless or the long term sick. Thus perhaps many need to get a proper perspective and view things with a sober Christian mind.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Kelfa28]

Probably because nobody (for the most part) have ever really tried to enforce the Pauline verse about men loving their wives. Whereas the one about women (or for that matter slaves) being submissive has been very influential from a legal and social perspective.

Not only that…but women make sacrifices as well for her family.

Ever watched a C-Section? Lying on the table with her hands stretched out and tied down to the sides?

Kinda reminds me of something else.

It’s the husband that sits by and watches, if he can stomach it.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

The Church say that men and women are equal in human dignity. You can call yourself a Christian and make the same point. On average men make more than women because they tend to be in the workforce longer. My personal take on that old line is that it is simple propaganda. I have belonged to a labor union for the past twelve years and sex was not a requirement for wage; Job classification was. I have never seen a female make less in my experience, but, if you repeat a lie enough times, people will believe it. You can call yourself what you want; But, the whole idea behind the concious deceivers is to divide and conquer. This thread is a very good example of this as most commentators here never comprehended the point of the thread, it is sad. I thought both books were beautiful and want to hand them out to every married couple I know.

Your point is obvious (you have certainly repeated it enough times).
You simply haven’t been very convincing.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Good, I’m glad we agree. Are you willing to recognize, then that the church does not teach that women are to be forced to submit to their husbands simply because they are women? And that it is important to read what is written through the intention of the person who wrote it?

No.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

You will have to 1) make some kind of point that is substantial in some way however wrong it may be 2) Bring an IQ at least of the same level of room temperature 3) Read the original post, as I originated the thread and THAT IS the point. If you fail to meet the tasks, conditions and standards that I am incapable of making ANY clearer, I would be a fool to waste any further time with you, as I am already regreting that this is two minutes of my life that I can never get back.

More insults.
And not very good ones at that:shrug:

 

[AngryAtheist8]

You will have to 1) make some kind of point that is substantial in some way however wrong it may be 2) Bring an IQ at least of the same level of room temperature 3) Read the original post, as I originated the thread and THAT IS the point. If you fail to meet the tasks, conditions and standards that I am incapable of making ANY clearer, I would be a fool to waste any further time with you, as I am already regreting that this is two minutes of my life that I can never get back.

I find it amusing to have my intelligence questioned by someone who keeps reciting the *exact same *tired argument (assuming that it can be considered one) over and over again.

 

[ryecroft]

Dear Serap,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

It may not be fashionable to say this in the eglatarian times in which our lot is cast, but for a woman to be a mother and have a career is most unsatisfactory.

Indeed, it would be most beneficial to society if married women ceased to be involved in the world of work and concentrated on devoting themselves exclusively to the needs of their husband and children. Contrary to the warped thinking of radical femenism, there is nothing inferior or undignified in being a ‘homemaker’, for this is to be engaged in the divinely ordained role of motherhood and to find true fulfillment. St. Paul wanted women to assume this divinely ordained role of rearing godly offspring and managing a home (see I Titus 2: 4-5) and many of us believe that family stability and happiness would be greatly improved were more women to submit themselves exclusively to motherhood. The enormous pressures of simultaneously holding down a job and being a mother are considerable indeed, but completely unnecessary, if only spouses were prepared to accept a more modest income and standard of living. Sadly, many modern families are not prepared to do this and are greedy for gain at the expense of a stable family life. Children often suffer as a result.

Dear sister, I appreciate that modern society does make it extremely difficult for a woman to be devoted exclusively to motherhood, with the husband being the sole breadwinner. Nevertheless, it is not impossible, provided that spouses are prepared to make sacrifices and content themselves with a more simple lifestyle. True, many do insist that both must work, simply to ensure that the basic utility bills can be settled and they keep up mortgage repayments. Even ordinary living can be an arduous business nowadays, but I think that Catholic men and women need to urgently rethink what are their priorities and ask themselves what things are really important in life, especially if they enjoy a comfortable and affluent standard of living as a result of them both being employed. Even if only the husband went out to work, they would probably still be much better off than those in receipt of government handouts, such as the the workless or the long term sick. Thus perhaps many need to get a proper perspective and view things with a sober Christian mind.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

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Why does it ALWAYS have to be the woman that has to for go the career when this argument comes up? If you want to be a wife and mother - that’s wonderful - if you feel called and are able to be one without having to work that’s great! But not all of us feel called to do that - why does it always have to be the woman that has to give up her career for the ‘good’ of the family? I know 3 homes (Catholic) where the man stays at home to watch the kids and the woman works outside the home. They are wonderful families! The woman gets to have the kids and fulfill her desire to have her career outside the home. Just because this wasn’t the way things were done in Biblical times does not make them wrong - and I don’t know of anywhere the Church teaches that says the mother should stay at home.***
God Bless
Rye

 

[AngryAtheist8]

She is responsible for her; I am being very generous here, start with the initial post and then you can busy yourself about being a troll and actually engage me with a relevant point. Is that less than fair?

I think its about as fair as I can reasonable expect from someone who freely labels things that he disagrees with as being Satanic, Communist, etc.

 

[thewanderer]

No.

Which one are you saying no to? Or are you saying no to both? Surely you would at least agree that if somebody says something and it is taken the wrong way that it is being misunderstood? And that it would be a good thing to attempt to understand what they actually meant?

The reason I brought up that second point is in hopes that you would be willing to listen to the churh’s clarifications on her teachings and to try to understand what she intends to teach rather than what some radicals claim that she teaches. I can assure you the church is not ok with the suppression of women or with anyone treating them without the proper respect they deserve.