Three Principals For Honoring Your Husband

[AngryAtheist8]

Dear Baelor,

Hello again and thankyou for your response above.

Femininity, dear friend, most decidedly is inconsistent with a woman fighting in the front line and the very notion would have been deemed contrary and repugnant to Christian womanhood as understood by traditional Catholicism. Nobody spoke about such issues because nobody needed to, for the whole notion would have been at variance with the moral sense of the faithful. An isolated example, such as Joan of Arc, was an exception rather than the rule. She was, undoubtedly, especially raised up by God, much in the same as Deborah was in the the O.T. However, it is disengenuous to call her into service for the purposes of justifying women soldiers as normative.

To want to espouse the cause of women serving in military combat must surely be one of the most bizzare aberrations indulged in by the radical feminist movement. It beggars belief, my dear brother, that some modern Catholics vehemently support a woman’s ‘right’ to be be able serve in such a capacity, as they should be able to perceive that this role is both unnatural and distasteful.

Again, Child-bearing is normative for women, save in the exceptions with which we both agree, and I am surprised that you challenge this, my dear chap. Please note that I did not state that unless a women is a child-bearer then she cannot bring glory to God.

That women differ from men in so many ways is an obvious fact of human nature, dear friend; healthy young women are wont to get pregnant and there is a profound difference between male to male bonding and male to female bonding - a factor that can mean the difference between life and death on the battlefield. Irrespective of the social changes that have taken place, the faithful will respect the dignity and value of matrimony and motherhood. Moroever, they will be in the forefront of those who uphold the traditional model of men and women and their respective roles and spheres. Remember, it was because misguided military leaders in America put women in harm’s way, that Jessica Lynch, and other young women like her, have been shot, raped and permanently traumatized. A Catholic with a well-formed conscience does not require Holy Mother Church to tell him that all this is immoral and unacceptable. “A woman being brutally killed along side men is a long-awaited femenist dream of equality” (Kate O’ Beirne).

Even if some masculine women have the necessary emotional and physical make-up to engage in close-contact combat, that does not mean that they should engage in such combat and enter a war zone. If such a step is a fundamental contradiction of a women’s God-given femeninity, as well as being unnatural, then it should be steadfastly avoided. Again, even if a solitary example can be found, this clearly does not legitimize women fighting generally and give carte blanche approval of women fighting in war zones. That, my dear brother, seems very much like an argument used by those desperate to uphold some viewpoint at all costs.

The God-given distinction between men and women does preclude the latter from being engaged in combat, because it is a denial of the role assigned to her by God and is therefore contrary to authentic femeninity and womanhood. As stated previously, dear brother, it is by a humble acceptance of her proper sphere that a women fulfills her true destiny. We can assert this with confidence because it is disclosed to us in Divine Revelation - “Yet a woman will be saved through bearing children…” (I Tim. 2: 15). **It is by bearing children and being a mother that a woman attains genuine happiness. ** It is God’s good will that the woman should influence mankind from the bottom up, so to speak. She must choose to do that for which by God’s creation-ordinance she is most naturally equipped, both physically and spiritually, rather than hanker after spheres of employment that are not her proper preserve.

God bless, my dear brother, and goodbye for now.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

How would you know?
What (if anything) are you basing that on?

 

[Baelor]

Femininity, dear friend, most decidedly is inconsistent with a woman fighting in the front line and the very notion would have been deemed contrary and repugnant to Christian womanhood as understood by traditional Catholicism.

I am interested in Catholicism and what the Church teaches.

Nobody spoke about such issues because nobody needed to, for the whole notion would have been at variance with the moral sense of the faithful.

Or societal norms. You cannot assert a moral motive without evidence.

However, it is disengenuous to call her into service for the purposes of justifying women soldiers as normative.

She is a woman who served in the military. You have failed to justify the stance that she was special. Can you prove what you say? Where are your sources on whether she was elevated by God beyond the normal activity of a woman?

Again, Child-bearing is normative for women, save in the exceptions with which we both agree, and I am surprised that you challenge this, my dear chap. Please note that I did not state that unless a women is a child-bearer then she cannot bring glory to God.

I never said you did. I also did not say that child-bearing is not normative.

Moroever, they will be in the forefront of those who uphold the traditional (read: ones I espouse, regardless of their historicity) model of men and women and their respective roles and spheres.

First, your argumentum ad antiquitatem falls flat by virtue of being a logical fallacy. Second, the internal consistency of your argument has been successfully refuted.

A Catholic with a well-formed conscience does not require Holy Mother Church to tell him that all this is immoral and unacceptable.

Fortunately, you are correct. The Church’s silence on the morality of women in war certainly speaks for itself, as does my well-formed conscience. There is nothing inherently evil about women in war that does not apply to men.

War is no one’s sphere.

Even if some masculine women have the necessary emotional and physical make-up to engage in close-contact combat, that does not mean that they should engage in such combat and enter a war zone. If such a step is a fundamental contradiction of a women’s God-given femeninity, as well as being unnatural, then it should be steadfastly avoided.

You did not read my last post. You string together sentences without establishing the necessary links between them. Permit me to quote myself:

"Because you seem to have problems with constructing your posts, I will help you out. Here is a schema of your argument as it should be presented:

1. It makes sense to make blanket statements about women while dealing with particulars regarding men
2. The God-given distinction between men and women exists.
3. This distinction involves women not fighting in wars.

Therefore, women should not fight in wars.

I agree with 2) already. The problem is that you have not actually justified 1) or 3) on any grounds other than your own belief."

 

[mellowcalico]

Good for you! I used to let these threads get to me. Now I just laugh at the craziness of it all.

I should start up a thread: “Men are not emotionally able to care and love their children”

I wonder how many responses I’d get from angry men LOL

Us women, get to wrapped up in this stuff. We just need to take all of this with a grain of salt. I am finding this quite entertaining and am not emotionally involved.

I have to admit, I really respect AngryAthiest’s philosophy on life. How he cannot believe in God, I find confusing, but he’s pretty bright and knowledgeable.

Thank you for you!

It’s threads like this that have me questioning my faith more than anything and starting to believe that maybe there is a “war on women” going on these days. I feel particularly vulnerable as a single mom since (and it’s official now) my husband that left me came out of the closet and is living on and off with his boyfriend.

I read threads like this one and it makes me feel that the Catholic Church (as in some of the male members of the Church) see me as some worthless failure or something and that if they ruled the world I wouldn’t be able to take care of myself and work like I do, earn money and keep my daughter and I in a house and clothed. That they would want me to be some kind of welfare case for them to take pity on and point fingers at.

Then I read posts like yours that give me the strength to carry on and not give up hope. Thank you.

 

[Baelor]

I read threads like this one and it makes me feel that the Catholic Church (as in some of the male members of the Church) see me as some worthless failure or something and that if they ruled the world I wouldn’t be able to take care of myself and work like I do, earn money and keep my daughter and I in a house and clothed. That they would want me to be some kind of welfare case for them to take pity on and point fingers at.

The Catholic Church does not teach what Portrait posts, so no worries there.

 

[Serap]

Thank you for you!

It’s threads like this that have me questioning my faith more than anything and starting to believe that maybe there is a “war on women” going on these days. I feel particularly vulnerable as a single mom since (and it’s official now) my husband that left me came out of the closet and is living on and off with his boyfriend.

I read threads like this one and it makes me feel that the Catholic Church (as in some of the male members of the Church) see me as some worthless failure or something and that if they ruled the world I wouldn’t be able to take care of myself and work like I do, earn money and keep my daughter and I in a house and clothed. That they would want me to be some kind of welfare case for them to take pity on and point fingers at.

Then I read posts like yours that give me the strength to carry on and not give up hope. Thank you.

I’m glad I am able to do that for you and perhaps other women as well.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach women to be subordinate to men. “Some” men just wish it did that b/c it gives them a reason to bully and feel important.

Pope JP II did; however, acknowledge the differences between men and women, but he also canonized more women saints than any other pope. He loved women as Jesus did. He cherished women and he celebrated women. If you wish to truly see the Catholic perspective on women, I encourage you to read Pope JP II’s “Letter to Women”. Google it…its’ beautiful and will make you love being a woman.

A real man sees a marriage as a partnership and values his wife’s accomplishments. Men typically may be better at fixing things and heavy labor and women may typically be more nurturing and patient, but we are still just as valuable and make significant contributions to society.

In some families, men are better suited to be the breadwinner.
In some families, women are better suited to be the breadwinner
In some families, both parents work together as breadwinners and ensure that their children are loved and nurtured.

In the end, we make the world a much better place by valuing eachother and complimenting eachother rather than having these regulated rules that women belong in the home and men belong in the workforce. God didn’t design things to be this way.

The Holy Spirit spoke through JP II. His messages were more contemporary than previous popes, but our popes also often reflect the changes of the world when articulating the message of the Holy Spirit.

In my opinion, St. Paul, as much as I love him, didn’t respect women very much. His messages were taken as being infallible, but he was never a pope. He wasn’t necessarily infallible.

 

[ryecroft]

I’m glad I am able to do that for you and perhaps other women as well.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach women to be subordinate to men. “Some” men just wish it did that b/c it gives them a reason to bully and feel important.

Pope JP II did; however, acknowledge the differences between men and women, but he also canonized more women saints than any other pope. He loved women as Jesus did. He cherished women and he celebrated women. If you wish to truly see the Catholic perspective on women, I encourage you to read Pope JP II’s “Letter to Women”. Google it…its’ beautiful and will make you love being a woman.

A real man sees a marriage as a partnership and values his wife’s accomplishments. Men typically may be better at fixing things and heavy labor and women may typically be more nurturing and patient, but we are still just as valuable and make significant contributions to society.

In some families, men are better suited to be the breadwinner.
In some families, women are better suited to be the breadwinner
In some families, both parents work together as breadwinners and ensure that their children are loved and nurtured.

In the end, we make the world a much better place by valuing eachother and complimenting eachother rather than having these regulated rules that women belong in the home and men belong in the workforce. God didn’t design things to be this way.

The Holy Spirit spoke through JP II. His messages were more contemporary than previous popes, but our popes also often reflect the changes of the world when articulating the message of the Holy Spirit.

In my opinion, St. Paul, as much as I love him, didn’t respect women very much. His messages were taken as being infallible, but he was never a pope. He wasn’t necessarily infallible.

I’m really enjoying some of your posts. The thought that as a woman I shouldn’t be allowed to be in the military or be a judge or something else - wow - if too many people believed these were things the Catholic Church truly believed and taught, there would be next to NO hope for it to grow or to continue.
Totally agree with what you said about Saint Paul - just because a Saint said it, does NOT mean it’s an infallible statement (some thought ‘horring’ was a necessary evil - not today!)
God Bless
Rye

 

[ryecroft]

Dear Baelor,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for your response and my apologies of the delay in replying.

Notwithstandanding that some women may be endowed with the physical strength to undertake labour that is normally associated with men, this does not morally justify them in taking up this work, for it is tantamount to a denial of their femeninity and womanhood and makes less distinct the God-given distinction between the sexes. In short, my dear friend, it is downright unnatural and has more in common with a radical femenism than an orthodox Catholicism. Indeed, this why certain occupations, such as women fighting on the front-line, should not be open to the “weaker sex”.

It is undeniable that women in the front-line would make more male soldiers vulnerable, for it is deeply ingrained into a man’s nature to want to protect women and shield them from danger. Not even a militant femenism can erradicate this God-given instinct, dear friend. The fact is that women can never be equal to men and that is why they were made differently. By nature they incapable of the sort of speed, strength and aggression required for survival in a war zone. This has nothing to do with tradtional cultural stereotyping, as some ignorantly suggest, but has everything to do with a woman’s emotional and physical make-up with which she was created.

We can acknowldege the equal worth and dignity of women without denying the patently self-evident truth that men and women have different strengths, perspectives and roles. Sadly, our culture is increasingly putting the rights of women above the importance of human life (this can be most clearly seen in the matter of abortion). However, the faithful are under an obligation to distance themselves and denounce this godless ideology which now plagues our Western culture.

Joan of Arc, dear friend, cannot be template for Catholic woman, giving them encouragement to fight in front-line combat. She was especially endowed by God, like Deborah in the O.T., at a specific time, but her case cannot and should not be considered normative - solitary cases make bad law.
A woman can serve God as a single women in an occupation, until and if she enters into marriage. Nevertheless, holy wedlock is normative for “the vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator” (CCC, para. 1603). Men and women are not meant to be alone, unless they have been called to the priesthood or the religious life, or if they do not happen to become romanticallly involved through no deliberate choice of their own.

We need to follow everything in Sacred Scripture literally that is intended to be taken literally. Can you provide a good reason, my dear brother, as to why you think that text should not be taken literally, but interpreted in a figuratively?

Portrait

Pax

Dear Portrait -
It really can become confusing to some of us - you seem to believe that Biblical text should be taken literally, but then when faced with a text (when referring to Deborah I expect that you’re referring to the Book of Judges) - this Book not only shows Deborah as being a high ranking Judge but also shows a fighting woman - Jael. There is nothing negative about these two women mentioned saying “they were women but God gave them special graces so that they could do these jobs that obviously should have been only been done by a male…” - you can’t say we have to take the Bible literally and then say with certain passages or texts from the Bible that we shouldn’t use those as examples.
God Bless
Rye

 

[Mickey]

It may not be fashionable to say this in the eglatarian times in which our lot is cast, but for a woman to be a mother and have a career is most unsatisfactory.

Indeed, it would be most beneficial to society if married women ceased to be involved in the world of work and concentrated on devoting themselves exclusively to the needs of their husband and children. Contrary to the warped thinking of radical femenism, there is nothing inferior or undignified in being a ‘homemaker’, for this is to be engaged in the divinely ordained role of motherhood and to find true fulfillment. St. Paul wanted women to assume this divinely ordained role of rearing godly offspring and managing a home (see I Titus 2: 4-5) and many of us believe that family stability and happiness would be greatly improved were more women to submit themselves exclusively to motherhood. The enormous pressures of simultaneously holding down a job and being a mother are considerable indeed, but completely unnecessary, if only spouses were prepared to accept a more modest income and standard of living. Sadly, many modern families are not prepared to do this and are greedy for gain at the expense of a stable family life. Children often suffer as a result.

Dear sister, I appreciate that modern society does make it extremely difficult for a woman to be devoted exclusively to motherhood, with the husband being the sole breadwinner. Nevertheless, it is not impossible, provided that spouses are prepared to make sacrifices and content themselves with a more simple lifestyle. True, many do insist that both must work, simply to ensure that the basic utility bills can be settled and they keep up mortgage repayments. Even ordinary living can be an arduous business nowadays, but I think that Catholic men and women need to urgently rethink what are their priorities and ask themselves what things are really important in life, especially if they enjoy a comfortable and affluent standard of living as a result of them both being employed. Even if only the husband went out to work, they would probably still be much better off than those in receipt of government handouts, such as the the workless or the long term sick. Thus perhaps many need to get a proper perspective and view things with a sober Christian mind.

Amen my brother in Christ!
I am late on this thread and I apologizing for not having the time to read everything, but your words here are important and timely. My wife exited the corporate world to be a stay-at-home mom and raise our child. Her job is infinitely more difficult than mine. She cooks, cleans, tends to the vegetable garden and fruit trees while homeschooling our little one. She supports me completely and we make every effort to put Jesus Christ above all else in our lives. We may not make as much money as a double income families…and our house is small (but cozy)…but we would not have it any other way. We have found creative ways to save money…such as canning dozens of quarts of friuts and vegetables in the fall (I do all the canning). We are extremely content and very close as a family unit. We attend Church as much as possible and pray as a family every day.

Thank you for posting this portrait.
Peace and prayers to you and yours.

Christ is Risen!

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Amen my brother in Christ!
I am late on this thread and I apologizing for not having the time to read everything, but your words here are important and timely. My wife exited the corporate world to be a stay-at-home mom and raise our child. Her job is infinitely more difficult than mine. She cooks, cleans, tends to the vegetable garden and fruit trees while homeschooling our little one. She supports me completely and we make every effort to put Jesus Christ above all else in our lives. We may not make as much money as a double income families…and our house is small (but cozy)…but we would not have it any other way. We have found creative ways to save money…such as canning dozens of quarts of friuts and vegetables in the fall (I do all the canning). We are extremely content and very close as a family unit. We attend Church as much as possible and pray as a family every day.

Thank you for posting this portrait.
Peace and prayers to you and yours.

Christ is Risen!

I suggest you actually read the thread before praising Portraits word’s.
He has basically advocated what would amount to a Catholic version of sharia law (with regard to women) if it were implemented as social and legal policy.

 

[severus68]

Dear Baelor,

Hello again and thankyou for your response above.

Femininity, dear friend, most decidedly is inconsistent with a woman fighting in the front line and the very notion would have been deemed contrary and repugnant to Christian womanhood as understood by traditional Catholicism. Nobody spoke about such issues because nobody needed to, for the whole notion would have been at variance with the moral sense of the faithful. An isolated example, such as Joan of Arc, was an exception rather than the rule. She was, undoubtedly, especially raised up by God, much in the same as Deborah was in the the O.T. However, it is disengenuous to call her into service for the purposes of justifying women soldiers as normative.
natural
To want to espouse the cause of women serving in military combat must surely be one of the most bizzare aberrations indulged in by the radical feminist movement. It beggars belief, my dear brother, that some modern Catholics vehemently support a woman’s ‘right’ to be be able serve in such a capacity, as they should be able to perceive that this role is both unnatural and distasteful.

 

[Mickey]

I suggest you actually read the thread before praising Portraits word’s.

I have already apologized for not reading the hundreds of posts right away.

He has basically advocated what would amount to a Catholic version of sharia law (with regard to women) if it were implemented as social and legal policy.

That is highly unlikely.

I have read many of Portrait’s posts on various threads and I usually agree with him. He is a traditional and solid Catholic. I will read this thread little by little.

I do not need you to interject insults about him in an attempt to discredit him.

 

[ManOnFire]

The key for both men and women is to find humility to seek the truth, but this liberal feelgood individualistic anti-family culture continually tells us to be powerful master of our own domain, i.e. the opposite of humble.

 

[Serap]

I have already apologized for not reading the hundreds of posts right away.
That is highly unlikely.

I have read many of Portrait’s posts on various threads and I usually agree with him. He is a traditional and solid Catholic. I will read this thread little by little.

I do not need you to interject insults about him in an attempt to discredit him.

Actually, Angry Atheist is right. Portrait believes that women should not work if they are married with children. He also believes that women should not fight in combat. He believes that women’s place in society, is to stay home and bear children.

BTW…I’m happy for your family. You have a real partnership and have decided that it’s best for your wife to tend to the house and children, while you are the breadwinner.

The Catholic Church supports this family structure.

Please note that the Catholic Church also supports stay at home dads and women working while having children at home.

 

[Mickey]

Women who are homemakers, dear sister, are making a tremendous contribution to society, inasmuch as they are providing stable homes for their children where they are always on the scene and available. This is surely something that will yeild beneficial results in the lives of children as they develop and will help them to grow up to be well-adjusted adults, with little or no emotional disturbances. Whilst there are manifold reasons for behavioural problems in young adults, it admits of no doubt that a working mother who is hardly present in the formative years of her children can have a negative impact upon them.

Amen.

 

[Serap]

Amen.

Yes, but dad can do the same at home too and AMEN to that.

Your family structure is working. Families work as a partnership to do what is best for their family. God has blessed your beautiful family.

Do you think a stay at home dad is wrong? Portrait does.

 

[Mickey]

Actually, Angry Atheist is right.

No he is not. And if you are also trying to set forth the idea that Portrait is attempting to champion some type of Christian “Sharia Law”…then you are sadly mistaken also.

Portrait believes that women should not work if they are married with children.

What does Sacred Scripture and Church Fathers/Mothers have to say about this?

 

[Baelor]

What does Sacred Scripture and Church Fathers/Mothers have to say about this?

What does Church teaching have to say about this? That is what matters more than anything.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I have already apologized for not reading the hundreds of posts right away.
That is highly unlikely.

I have read many of Portrait’s posts on various threads and I usually agree with him. He is a traditional and solid Catholic. I will read this thread little by little.

I do not need you to interject insults about him in an attempt to discredit him.

They are not insults, they are accurate descriptions.
Here’s a post that he made earlier in the thread to illustrate my point:

May 3, '12, 12:21 pm
Portrait
Regular Member Join Date: July 21, 2009
Posts: 1,360
Religion: Catholic

Re: Three Principals For Honoring Your Husband

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8

Source:
catholicplanet.com/women/roles.html

Do you support the idea that women’s economic, political, and social power should be stripped away (as the author advocates) so that being wives and mothers is their only viable option or not?

Dear AngryAtheist,

Hello again.

It is certainly true, my dear friend, that Catholics can become so imbued with the spirit of the age that “truth will not feel right” and that because Church teaching and dogma is at variance with the prevailing culture it will be rejected almost uncritically. Thus I would wholeheartedly endorse what Mr. Conte says as regards that, for I myself am continually saying much the same thing on CAF. There is a tendency among modern Catholics to reject anything that preceded the day before yesterday as being of little value and as having nothing to say to the modern age.

The roles of men and women are becoming very blurred these days and our post-modern society, in its fanatical obssession with equality and the elimination of ‘sexism’, is trying to obliterate the God-given distinction between men and women. There surely needs to be a radical rethink on the place of women in society and what sort of occupations can realistically be open to them. Incontrovertibly, women soldiers, for example, fighting on the frontline is a most unacceptable and distasteful instance of fanatical gender blurring to fit in with political correct idelology. As for women leaders of religion, well the Catholic Church forbids women from entering the priesthood, and thus the hierarchy, and that is a source of indignation to some, especially liberal Catholics, who feel it is discriminatory in today’s world where women are entering so many occupations that have previously been the preserve of men.

Mr Conte is correct in stating, dear friend, that God assigns different roles for men and women in Church, family and society. Ideally, women are to enter into holy wedlock and be devoted to their husbands and raising godly offspring for the next generation. God has indeed given women the role of instructing and guiding children, for this is what motherhood entails. It used to be said in bygone days, that children learned first about God and Christ’s religion upon their mother’s knee. How true is that today?

Not permitting women to enter politics or the judiciary is, I agree, rather radical stuff to us living in the 21st century, but I think even here the chap has a point. These high powered jobs carry an overwhelming amount of responsibility and women holding these positions just do not sit comfortably with St. Paul’s teaching. Perhaps we do need to think the unthinkable today and reassess the whole direction in which modern society is presently moving. What will all this end in and will even ordinary ‘moderate’ people like that end when it arrives? Will there be much regret and will men start to see the light when it is too late to reverse things?

The writer is correct in regarding wives being submissive and obedient to their husbands, for that is basic biblical teaching (Eph. 5: 22; Col. 3: 18). If that is erroneous, then St. Paul was in error in stating it and is, indeed, guilty of being ‘mysoginistic’ - something which some people are not ashamed to affirm to support their liberal viewpoint.

As for women being Lectors at Mass, reading Sacred Scripture or being exrtaordinary ministers, these are issues about which pious Catholics entertain differing opinions.

In all fairness to Mr. Conte, he does state on the home page of his site “that most of my theological writings are speculative, rather than dogmatic. Also, many of the ideas expressed on this site are a matter of pious disagreement among faithful Catholics”. That to my mind, dear friend, seems jolly balanced and charitable. Really, my dear friend, do not think that Ron Conte is saying anything dreadful or sinister like that, although I will conceded that some things are a bit radical, at least by today’s standards. In any event, he is at liberty to ventilate his opinions, just as you and I are, dear friend, but we do not have to accept them.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

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Three things are necessary for the salvation of man: to know what he ought to believe; to know what he ought to desire; and to know what he ought to do - St. Thomas Aquinas

P.S. Now I admit that he did not offer unconditional support for these misogynist ideas, but he does clearly support them. Moreover, the unworthiness of women for public life (once they get married and their expected to get married) has been his running theme in this thread.

 

[Portrait]

Statements like this and your endorsement of Catholic Planet makes me wonder if you would advocate some sort of Catholic (sharia style) state enforced gender segregation if that were on the table?

Dear AngryAtheist,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Your remmark above, dear friend, is a flagrant distortion of my position and I am at a loss as to how you would think that I might “advocate some sort of Catholic (sharia style) state enforced gender segregation”.

The divine providence (nor cultural stereotyping) has so ordered it that men and women have different roles and that there should be a division of labour. It is only secular femenism in recent times that has sought to either obliterate or blur these God-given differences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I have already apologized for not reading the hundreds of posts right away.
That is highly unlikely.

I have read many of Portrait’s posts on various threads and I usually agree with him. He is a traditional and solid Catholic. I will read this thread little by little.

I do not need you to interject insults about him in an attempt to discredit him.

For a bit of context, here is the position that Portrait was agreeing with when he replied to me in that earlier post:

Sacred Scripture clearly teaches that God gives men and women different roles in the Church, the family, and society. Men are intended by God to be teachers and leaders in the Church, the family, and society. Women should not have any kind of teaching role over adult men. Women should not have any kind of leadership role over adult men.

Women should not be political leaders. In politics, a woman should not be President or Vice President or Senator or Representative or Governor or a State legislator. A woman should not have any elected or appointed political position with authority over men, because it is contrary to the teaching of Scripture. A woman should not be Judge in any court of law, because courts have authority over men.

This passage is often rejected by Christians, because they are following the ideas of their culture rather than the ideas of Christ. Women sometimes say that marriage is a “50-50 partnership,” but such is not the teaching of Christ. A woman who seeks power over her husband, who fights with him for control of the family, will ruin her marriage and her family. A wife sins against God if she rejects her husband’s authority over her or if she seeks to have authority over him.

Women should not be Lectors at holy Mass. Women should not read the Scriptures aloud to the faithful at Mass. Women should not distribute holy Communion at Mass. Women should not speak at the time of the homily, not even to describe some worthy work of mercy in which they are involved. It is shameful in God’s eyes for a woman to have any such role of leadership or teaching at holy Mass and at any time in the Sanctuary.

Moreover, women should not be in charge of leading or administering a parish, even one which lacks a pastor. Women should not be on the parish council, for this is a leadership role which assists the pastor, much as the Twelve Apostles assisted Christ.

P.S. Its an article from this site:
catholicplanet.com/men/roles.htm

I would have posted the whole thing but its too long, if your curious just click on the link.
The point is, if these ideas were implemented and enforced (which would require extensive government support) Western women would essentially be reduced to servitude like the women of places where sharia law holds sway (I don’t know if this would be as brutal and murderous towards women in practice as Muslim sharia law is, but I am guessing a large measure of brutality would be required).