Three Principals For Honoring Your Husband

[Mickey]

The Virgin Mary is of limited use as a role model for women at best

And with that disturbing comment…I will officially place you on my ignore list.

Bye.

 

[Mickey]

Thank you for your compliment. Gob bless.

I don’t feel like I’m caring and compassionate because I often feel resentful that we care for his mother. I know it’s sinful to think that way. I try not to.

It is human to feel that way. You will be richly blessed for your charity.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I actually agree with Portrait on this…that mothering is undervalued in our current society.
This is why so many SAHM’s feel so unaccomlished when their kids begin to attend full-time school.

100 years ago, women were so busy making clothes from scratch, tending to the farm, baking bread, washing clothes by hand, they didn’t have time to feel unaccomplished.

SAHM’s today have washing machines, dryers, vaccuums, Walmart, etc. Once the kids are in school full-time, it would get a little boring, don’t you think?

Mothering has more or less always been undervalued (at least in comparison to traditionally masculine activities).
That’s why countries such as Japan are finding it very hard to simply convince women to get married and have kids. Many women don’t want to do that now that they have the opportunity to do something that they will be much more richly rewarded for.

 

[irishpatrick]

And with that disturbing comment…I will officially place you on my ignore list.

Bye.

A woman who said yes to God, who understood that she was being called to a higher order, who understand that she was being called to serve all humanity as a humble servant, and she embraced that call with such amazing love. Yeah, no redeeming value in any of that, right?

 

[Mickey]

Oh, Mickey, why do you think I will let you get away with that?

Get away with what?

Now you are saying that “Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition” are Church teaching, which was not what you first stated.

Sure it is.

Furthermore, it is not an issue of Sacred Scripture being ignored, but rather an issue of correctly interpreting said scripture.

Sacred Tradition and the Fathers interpret Sacred Scripture.

We can feel confident that what is in the CCC is correct.

Are you saying that…if it is not in the CCC…it is irrelevant?

The Council of the Vatican declares “that in matters of faith and morals, appertaining to the building up of Christian doctrine, that is to be held as the true sense of Holy Scripture which our holy Mother Church hath held and holds, to whom it belongs to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scripture: and, therefore, that it is permitted to no one to interpret the Sacred Scripture contrary to this sense or likewise contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, II).

 

[Mickey]

A woman who said yes to God, who understood that she was being called to a higher order, who understand that she was being called to serve all humanity as a humble servant, and she embraced that call with such amazing love. Yeah, no redeeming value in any of that, right?

Unbelievable, eh?

 

[Mickey]

Once the kids are in school full-time, it would get a little boring, don’t you think?

Not if you homeschool. Tough job.

 

[Mickey]

The thing I think many people do NOT understand (or accept) is that raising children fulltime in the home is a career, and it is also much more than just a career–it is a true vocation.

Absolutely!

It is beyond any doubt the greatst of all possible lay careers on earth.

No doubt.

 

[irishpatrick]

Unbelievable, eh?

Quite–even from a secular/atheist pov.

 

[Portrait]

I have a question about this right here. When I was preparing for confirmation (about 10 years ago) we were told to pick a saint that we felt would help guide us in our faith as a role model. We were told that we could take inspiration from the lives of saints to help show us ways to reach God. That if God gave these people the grace to be saints then if we sincerely asked for it he would also give us the grace to be saints.

At the time I picked St Francis because I was shy and spent most of my time helping animals, but grew to appreciate the way he helped many people and took that as inspiration to reach out to others.

In the same way, couldn’t an average every day Catholic laywoman pick to follow the example set by St Gianni? What if I woman feels called to work outside her home but she also feels called to have a large family? Couldn’t she take inspiration from the fact God granted St Gianni the grace to be a saint and have faith that God would also grant her the graces she needed to follow him and with God’s blessing become a saint as well?

I think if you tell woman that just because St Gianni was a saint doesn’t mean you can be a saint too by following a similiar path, you have missed an important teaching of Catholism, which is anyone can become a saint through the grace of God. It would be the same as telling a young man “Just because St Augustine was given grace by God to leave behind a life of sinfulness doesn’t mean you can do the same thing so don’t even bother trying because St Augustine is not the norm for Catholic men.”

Dear akela,

Cordial greetings and a warm welcome to the world of CAF.

St. Gianni cannot be the normal pattern, dear friend, for married Catholic women with children. She regarded her calling to work in the field of medicine as a ‘mission’, so it is not improbable that she was endowed with special grace for that calling, in addittion to being a wife and mother. However, unless we have some such special and unique calling, God ordinarily calls married women to being “workers at home” (Titus 2: 5) and they should not ever consider that role inferior or unfullling. For a woman to be called to a role outside of domesticity is an exception rather than the rule, which is why there is only one St. Gianni. St. Paul’s words are not culturally conditioned and occur amidst requirements for a women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, to be chaste, kind and submissive. Moreover, the text forms part of practical instructions to Titus and so there is no good reason not to take them literally. They have perpetual validity and remain authoritative today.

We are all called to forsake a sinful life and to pursue holiness, thus the example of St. Augustine is relevant to us all, whoever we are.

You are quite correct, dear friend, anyone can become a saint and we ought to strive to live a life of sanctity and separation from the godless world and its extra to the normal indulgences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Portrait]

We can feel confident that what is in the CCC is correct. It is part of Church teaching. Does Church teaching speak about the morality of female soldiers, or women in the workforce?

This is obviously a huge issue. The Church has had plenty of time to address this issue. They have not proclaimed it immoral. Why do you think that is?

Dear Baelor,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

The reason why the Church has not declared female soldiers fighting in war zones immoral, is because that is a self-evident truth and any Catholic with a well-formed conscience can easily see that. The Church will not spoon-feed the faithful on a matter that is patently obvious, my dear friend.

Will respond to your post of yesterday a little late, so please stand by.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Baelor]

Sure it is.

No, it is not. I posted your own statement so that you could compare them.

Sacred Tradition and the Fathers interpret Sacred Scripture.

And what matters is interpretation codified in Church teaching.

Are you saying that…if it is not in the CCC…it is irrelevant?

No.

The Council of the Vatican declares “that in matters of faith and morals, appertaining to the building up of Christian doctrine, that is to be held as the true sense of Holy Scripture which our holy Mother Church hath held and holds, to whom it belongs to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scripture: and, therefore, that it is permitted to no one to interpret the Sacred Scripture contrary to this sense or likewise contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, II).

I agree with this completely, in which case it is Church teaching that matters, and that is the most accurate term.

Portrait:

The reason why the Church has not declared female soldiers fighting in war zones immoral, is because that is a self-evident truth and any Catholic with a well-formed conscience can easily see that. The Church will not spoon-feed the faithful on a matter that is patently obvious, my dear friend.

At no point has the Church suggested that female soldiers are inherently immoral. Perhaps the Church does need to spoon-feed its faithful, given that you clearly do not understand Church teaching at all.

I would recommend reading the CCC, since you are in error. At some point, you should also consider how your present yourself, because ultimately all of your justifications can be reduced to self-evidence, which is not compelling in Catholic moral theology or in any other system.

 

[Portrait]

Ah…no.
Not at all.

Traditionally feminine activities (such as raising children) have always been undervalued.

Simply giving birth or raising children (regardless of how many children or how well they were raised) was usually not seen as worthy of recognition.

Dear AngryAtheist,

Hello again.

That, dear friend, is jolly sweeping generalization. Devout Christian husbands have always valued their wives and recognised the importance of their work as wives and mothers. Moreover, they have also recognised the key role played by women in giving birth to children and then nurturing and instructing them in godliness, hence the saying that a child first learns about God on its mother’s knee. Even non-religious men have appreciated their wives and the domestic work that they daily undertake within the home, I knew many such decent men in the neighbourhood in which I was raised here in the UK. They were good family men who worked jolly hard whilst their wives kept house and home. Those were truly happy homes, my dear friend, where the children were contented and respectful towards their parents and elders.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Mickey]

And what matters is interpretation codified in Church teaching.

Not sure what you are trying to argue.

 

[Mickey]

given that you clearly do not understand Church teaching at all.

I think that perhaps it is you who do not understand.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

And with that disturbing comment…I will officially place you on my ignore list.

Bye.

So what?

The fact that you can’t deal with what I say, says more about you than me.

 

[irishpatrick]

So what?

The fact that you can’t deal with what I say, says more about you than me.

Isn’t it also possible that what you said was highly offensive to many?

 

[Portrait]

At no point has the Church suggested that female soldiers are inherently immoral. Perhaps the Church does need to spoon-feed its faithful, given that you clearly do not understand Church teaching at all.

Dear Baelor,

Hello again. Thankyou for the above.

To expect Holy Mother Church to produce a chapter and verse text condemning women soldiers fighting in close-combat as inherently immoral, is surely to adopt a fundamentalist approach to things, dear friend. The Church expects us to employ our sanctified common sense in such matters, just as it does say in the area of immodest attire. Thus, for example, do we really require some official pronouncement telling us that a mini-skirt or a low-cut top revealing cleavage is unseemly and therefore trespasses the boundaries of propriety?

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Originally Posted by irishpatrick
A woman who said yes to God, who understood that she was being called to a higher order, who understand that she was being called to serve all humanity as a humble servant, and she embraced that call with such amazing love. Yeah, no redeeming value in any of that, right?

Unbelievable, eh?

Perhaps if that was what I actually said.
What I really said was:

So what?

The most central and defining event/aspect of the Virgin Mary is her virgin motherhood, yet the Church doesn’t want women to imitate that (even though we have the technology to make it possible today).

The Virgin Mary is of limited use as a role model for women at best

P.S. My point was, that women cannot be expected to live like the Virgin Mary, and even the Catholic Church doesn’t really expect them to try (otherwise why would it ban artificial insemination, something that makes virgin birth possible?).

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Dear akela,

Cordial greetings and a warm welcome to the world of CAF.

St. Gianni cannot be the normal pattern, dear friend, for married Catholic women with children. She regarded her calling to work in the field of medicine as a ‘mission’, so it is not improbable that she was endowed with special grace for that calling, in addittion to being a wife and mother. However, unless we have some such special and unique calling, God ordinarily calls married women to being “workers at home” (Titus 2: 5) and they should not ever consider that role inferior or unfullling. For a woman to be called to a role outside of domesticity is an exception rather than the rule, which is why there is only one St. Gianni. St. Paul’s words are not culturally conditioned and occur amidst requirements for a women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, to be chaste, kind and submissive. Moreover, the text forms part of practical instructions to Titus and so there is no good reason not to take them literally. They have perpetual validity and remain authoritative today.

We are all called to forsake a sinful life and to pursue holiness, thus the example of St. Augustine is relevant to us all, whoever we are.

You are quite correct, dear friend, anyone can become a saint and we ought to strive to live a life of sanctity and separation from the godless world and its extra to the normal indulgences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

You could dismiss the idea of imitating any of the saints based on similar reasoning.