Three questions for Bahai's: 1 Do you believe that the Revelation of Jesus Christ is to be taken literally?

[Gloria_de_G]

Well, Gloria, this leaves you with just old ME!!

I did post a response to you in the “Two Witnesses” thread, and I read your response with interest.

I hope we can dialogue with only love in our hearts .

Excellent and I am willing, please try to explain my doubts on your believes on the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I am sure we can get somewhere in the peace of Christ, you love Catholics and I love Baha’is, so let us see what we can learn without going out of the subject.

In the love of Christ and His Revelation,
Gloria

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[Gloria_de_G]

Love you Tony

Yes my post was deleted it seems and so was Gloria’s response.
I didn’t know we are not allowed to post there. I won’t in the future. Thank you

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So you see, it was not only your post that was removed but also mine. and I am a Catholic! We need patience:shrug:

In the love of Christ and His Revelation,
Gloria

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[tonyfish58]

This topic is answered in may places on the net, there are many books published that show the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation here is one link - bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[SciFIQuestion]

Problem About Revelations is the language, interpreting the language under the anticipation of first century mind set not from the twenty-first, although looking backwards much can be clear since I know about a “car” as the attempt to describe to 1st century the last days as Revelations does. millennium not here yet, may Prophesy have not been fulfilled yet, the biggy is Christ has not revealed Himself to the Jews yet…New Jerusalem not even started…

Politicians working very hard leading us into the last conflict, witch means The Advisory still very much on the loose, for Lucifer will have no power or authority during the millennium.

Last time I check was seeing the instructions…Not even the Angels in Heaven know the day of his Coming, but I can feel of its emproachment…

 

[tonyfish58]

Problem About Revelations is the language, interpreting the language under the anticipation of first century mind set not from the twenty-first, although looking backwards much can be clear since I know about a “car” as the attempt to describe to 1st century the last days as Revelations does. millennium not here yet, may Prophesy have not been fulfilled yet, the biggy is Christ has not revealed Himself to the Jews yet…New Jerusalem not even started…

Politicians working very hard leading us into the last conflict, witch means The Advisory still very much on the loose, for Lucifer will have no power or authority during the millennium.

Last time I check was seeing the instructions…Not even the Angels in Heaven know the day of his Coming, but I can feel of its emproachment…

You have good points

Please note that My comments below are my own thoughts and not that of the Baha’i Faith.

About the Time and the Hour - Yes it is mostly never known except by a selected few that God gives the bounty too immediately before the event. John the Baptist was one of those before Christ. When it happens only a few believe and most reject. It takes time for people to forget past doctrine and prejudices.

From my understanding of the Baha’i point of view Baha’u’llah fulfilled Biblical Prophesy and the rejection of Baha’u’llah ushered in Judgment Day, this we are told will long continue, but then God will cut short the days!

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody”.

What you may be feeling is the winding up of Judgment Day, it may not be too far in to the Future when God will make know unto all on earth what shall be!

In the end we do not know, so our place in life is to Know and Love God, serve mankind and accept Gods will and bounty for us!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[SciFIQuestion]

You have good points

Please note that My comments below are my own thoughts and not that of the Baha’i Faith.

About the Time and the Hour - Yes it is mostly never known except by a selected few that God gives the bounty too immediately before the event. John the Baptist was one of those before Christ. When it happens only a few believe and most reject. It takes time for people to forget past doctrine and prejudices.

From my understanding of the Baha’i point of view Baha’u’llah fulfilled Biblical Prophesy and the rejection of Baha’u’llah ushered in Judgment Day, this we are told will long continue, but then God will cut short the days!

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody”.

What you may be feeling is the winding up of Judgment Day, it may not be too far in to the Future when God will make know unto all on earth what shall be!

In the end we do not know, so our place in life is to Know and Love God, serve mankind and accept Gods will and bounty for us!

God Bless and Regards Tony

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You see on BIG problem…I did a little “walk” threw your “link”…

One I have Agency that God gave unto Me, I will not give that up…

Another, I will NEVER give Total allegiance to government , have you read that Constitutions??? and it was God who reviled that Document to the Founders and all of you post in relationship to other religions, play fancy with the wording, misquotes and miss direction, Scriptures out of context…

WARNING to all who read this Posting

I will not go into the play of words that I know your will attempt, just let you know, I know the Truth, I know what I believe and Knowledge I have." I am Child of God, Jesus I know exactly who he IS not was! and Bahai’s is no one I want to deal with. Is their not a Old Testament passage (story) explaining about a God with a very similar name…and where did that get them, no fire from heaven to light wood so soaked that you couldn’t even light.

 

[tonyfish58]

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You see on BIG problem…I did a little “walk” threw your “link”…

One I have Agency that God gave unto Me, I will not give that up…

Another, I will NEVER give Total allegiance to government , have you read that Constitutions??? and it was God who reviled that Document to the Founders and all of you post in relationship to other religions, play fancy with the wording, misquotes and miss direction, Scriptures out of context…

WARNING to all who read this Posting

I will not go into the play of words that I know your will attempt, just let you know, I know the Truth, I know what I believe and Knowledge I have." I am Child of God, Jesus I know exactly who he IS not was! and Bahai’s is no one I want to deal with. Is their not a Old Testament passage (story) explaining about a God with a very similar name…and where did that get them, no fire from heaven to light wood so soaked that you couldn’t even light.

You are free to walk your walk and talk your talk

God Bless your journey through Life and Faith

Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

There are many things that need to be taken literraly and others no.

May I ask who decides these things for Catholics and on what authority please?

For example here when we speak about thrones during the millennium this refers to the thrones of the Bishops in the Catholic Church, who are the priests that reign with Christ during the millennim, to whom power is given.

Hope this clarify a bit my view.
In the love of His Revelation,
Gloria

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Thankyou Gloria, is this YOUR view or the Catholic Church’s view? I’m not disagreeing with this interpretation, in fact I kinda like it, but I would be interested in on waht authority you interpreted it in this way?

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[Gloria_de_G]

You will have to show me where I ever said anything even remotely like “Baha’u’llah is the second coming of Christ” on any thread here on CAF, Gloria. I don’t remember saying it, and a quick search through my post history doesn’t turn it up either.

To remind you what you said, here it is:

The book of Revelation also talks about the new Name.
He is called Baha’u’llah which is an Arabic phrase, translated to English it is "The glory of the Father".
**Baha’is believe He is the return of Christ in the Glory of the Father **in the same way that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah.

** So I hope now you remember , if not, go to the sent items in your private box and you will see it there.

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** And I am not hiding my beliefs in any way. I sent you answers to the questions you asked**. I simply refuse to participate in a Catholic versus Baha’i thread debating one set of beliefs against the other. I’m done with that modality of discourse

Sorry Gloria it won’t work, I’m not going to get into a debate with you about interpreting Revelation.

(Sorry the red or bold in your posts it is me who did it)

Sorry Matthew, when I said that you went in hiding with your believes, it is because I asked a public question and you went and answered it privately in my mail box, this is why.

And if you do not want to go into a public debate about the Revelation of Jesus Christ, **then why you said Baha’ulh’a is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ **
Either you explain yourselves about this assertion or just say that Baha’ull’ah is a prophet who instituted the Bahai religion. I will be very happy with that answer and will not enquire any more from you.

Let us stand publicly for what one believes, this is what this forum is about.

In the love of Christ and His Revelation,
Gloria

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[Gloria_de_G]

This topic is answered in may places on the net, there are many books published that show the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation here is one link - bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

God Bless and Regards Tony

Sorry Tony (and nice to meet you! ) but the topic about the Revelation of Jesus Christ I want to hear it from Baha’is here not in a link. :nope:

Or what, you can not stand for what you believe? Why are you in these forums if it is not to share your believes and mine, to learn about each other’s believes and religious dogmas better.

Inn the love of Jesus Christ and His Revelation
Gloria

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[Gloria_de_G]

Problem about Revelations is the language, interpreting the language under the anticipation of first century mind set not from the twenty-first, although looking backwards much can be clear since I know about a “car” as the attempt to describe to 1st century the last days as Revelations does. Millennium not here yet, may Prophecy have not been fulfilled yet, the biggy is Christ has not revealed Himself to the Jews yet…New Jerusalem not even started…

Politicians working very hard leading us into the last conflict, which means The Adversary still very much on the loose, for Lucifer will have no power or authority during the millennium.

Last time I check was seeing the instructions…Not even the Angels in Heaven know the day of his Coming, but I can feel it is approaching…

(Sorry I hope I correct your English for better and not for worse, is not my mother tongue!)

Dear Sci, please you have to specify to which “revelations” are you talking about?

Do not worry. I think you want to mean The Revelation (singular) of Jesus Christ, otherwise called the Book of Revelation or Apocalypse.

Let me assure you that in the first century this book was a mystery because it was not written for their time. (You can click on this quote to go to the source, which is a study against the preterist interpretations, like yours)


"Dionysius included himself among those who did not understand it,10 and was joined a century later by Jerome, one of the greatest biblical scholars of the early Church.11 Most of the early Church Fathers who referred to the Apocalypse in their writings (e.g., Justin Martyr, Irenæus, Hippolytus, Tertullian, Cyprian) saw it as a prophecy of the concluding period of history, and not as a book that was addressed primarily to the Church of their times. So the writings of the Fathers and Scholars of the first few centuries certainly do not support the claim that the message of the Apocalypse was primarily addressed to the early Church. "

If you are a Christian, you will understand that the Ascension of Christ to heaven caused the expelled of Satan and of his angels from heaven through the war describe in ch. 12 of the Book of Revelation. And as soon as Satan came down to earth, an angel came with a huge chain and chained him in the Abyss for a thousand years. Therefore if you believe that Jesus went up to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father, you ought to believe that Satan is not in heaven any more but in the Abyss and the Millennium is NOW! Hope this is clear for your. Read chapter 12 carefully and you will see that what I am telling you is the truth.

Not even the Angels in Heaven know the day of his Coming, but I can feel it is approaching

So this one you have it right! And I can feel it too.
It is the coming of the two witnesses that will finally decide the timing in which we find ourselves
You can see about the two witnesses in the Sacred Scripture Forum under
“Is the Catholic Church waiting for the two witnesses? Who are they?”

In the love of Jesus Christ and His Revelation,
Gloria

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[Gloria_de_G]

(…)Please note that My comments below are my own thoughts and not that of the Baha’i Faith.

Come on Tony, this is not a very nice way to withhold responsibility for your words, you being a Baha’i

About the Time and the Hour.

When we Christian talk about **the time and the hour **we are talking about the Second Coming of Christ. If you are talking about something else please specify.
And then you continue…

Yes it is mostly never known except by a selected few that God gives the bounty too immediately before the event. John the Baptist was one of those before Christ. When it happens only a few believe and most reject. It takes time for people to forget past doctrine and prejudices…

Sorry Tony, but we are told in the Revelation of Jesus Christ that when He comes back:

"Behold, he comes with the clouds and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the peoples of the earth will mourn over him.12 Yes, amen"

So then how can you say that only few will see Him and then it will take time for people to forget their Scriptures in fact, their religion?

From my understanding of the Baha’i point of view Baha’u’llah fulfilled Biblical Prophesy and the rejection of Baha’u’llah ushered in Judgment Day, this we are told will long continue, but then God will cut short the days!

If you are saying this please specify which biblical Prophecy is Baha’u’llah fulfilling. Not enough to give partial information.

Sorry has to follow in the next post

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[Gloria_de_G]

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody”.

But we have seen all these things from the beginning… that is why they Jews did not believe in Jesus. But are you trying to set your own riddles or you abide by the Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to Him? The appointed hour is for us the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, **and yes your are right, is to come **
And if you give quotes say where they are coming from please.

What you may be feeling is the winding up of Judgment Day, it may not be too far in to the Future when God will make know unto all on earth what shall be!
In the end we do not know, so our place in life is to Know and Love God, serve mankind and accept Gods will and bounty for us!
God Bless and Regards Tony

How can you say that the Judgment Day may be no too far in the future if your friend Matthew has told me that:

**Over the next 830 years **we expect to see the gradual fulfillment of God’s promises throughout all history: “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven”.
We will see an end to war, the end of religious hatred, equality between men and women, a spiritual solution to the extremes of wealth and poverty, a return to moral values around marriage and sexuality. But it happens through our own efforts inspired by God’s teachings. We can see the Catholic Church at the forefront of helping to bring this about!

And this is what you call that the Judgment Day is not too far in the future?

And I wonder why Matthew include us, the Catholic Church, in these efforts for the next 830 years?

What you see the Church doing is only what Jesus Christ has taught us to do: to help the poor, the needy, the sick, etc. and to do it for His love. Nothing to do with doing these things and more, over the next 830 years, **the Catholic Church has been doing this from the beginning of her mission. **And the Church is aware that by her own efforts and gradually she will achieve nothing. It is Christ working within His Church.

You will be very surprise when you will see the two witnesses appear with the power that God will give them to bring plagues and draughts, and the Antichrist will come and kill them. I have told to your friends before, that the Catholic Church is been given by God the power and that is why the two witnesses are coming from within her.

In the love of Christ and of His Revelation,
Gloria

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[Servant19]

Hi Gloria,

Tony and Matthew have already expressed an unwillingness to participate here.

I on the other hand am willing to oblige…

I asked some questions above and you haven’t addressed them.

May I humbly suggest you might dialogue with me, dear sister?

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[Matthew_Light]

So, I am correct, I never posted that to the forum.

I wrote it to you in direct answer to your question about the subject, because I don’t want to argue with Catholics on the forum about it!

I don’t hide my beliefs. I simply don’t go onto this forum saying things that I know will provoke an argument with people.