Til death do us part?

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Forgive if the format of my question is incorrect, I admit I have not yet taken the time to read the forum posting guidelines completely through, but I shall make an effort to do so today at lunchtime.

My wife is not catholic and perhaps may never be. However, she is a good woman who accepts christ in her heart and who through her example brought me back to christ and eventually to the catholic church (imagine that, a baptist bringing one to the catholic church, cracks me up, sorry). When we vow til death do us part, does this imply in some way that we are no longer joined for eternity? I doubt this is the case, but I have not yet located a section of the catechism that explains this. If you do comment on this and can tell me what section to look at it would be most appreciated.
 
I think the “death do us part” refers more to the human aspect. You’re married until death. Period.

Wither or not marriage union continues into heaven is a question for God. Certainly there will be no more marriages. God may have a special place for the two who become one.
 
Jesus said that in heaven there is no marriage, nor being given in marriage in his reply to teachers of the law who tried to trip him up with the story about the lady with 7 husbands.
 
The above poster is correct. There is no marriage in heaven. Heaven is the Wedding Banquet between God and His Church. Earthly marriage is a foreshadowing of things to come in heaven. Once, you are in heaven, you no longer need the foreshadowing.
 
this has always kind of bothered me too. I was hoping in heaven to be reunited with lost loved ones. family, husband, etc. I can’t fathom how one can be truly happy without the ones they hold dearly near them. I understand all we’ll want is to be united with Jesus, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. or I’m being selfish and want to love and be loved by my husband and family forever, not just until our time on earth is done.

the other similar question that plagues me is what about a family member going to hell? how can you be truly happy knowing a loved one is in eternal agony down there?

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good thread though! 👍
 
“the other similar question that plagues me is what about a family member going to hell?, how can you be truly happy knowing a loved one is in eternal agony down there?”
I had not considered that. I would not want to forget them and if I knew they were not with me would that not create concern and agony for me in heaven? Interesting question of its own merit.
 
just_me said:
this has always kind of bothered me too. I was hoping in heaven to be reunited with lost loved ones. family, husband, etc. I can’t fathom how one can be truly happy without the ones they hold dearly near them. I understand all we’ll want is to be united with Jesus, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. or I’m being selfish and want to love and be loved by my husband and family forever, not just until our time on earth is done.
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I’m just gonna tackle the easier part of your post.

In heaven we will be more perfectly united with our loved ones than we ever are here on earth. There is no marriage in heaven because it’s not necessary. It would serve no purpose.
 
Oneheartway said:
“the other similar question that plagues me is what about a family member going to hell?, how can you be truly happy knowing a loved one is in eternal agony down there?”
I had not considered that. I would not want to forget them and if I knew they were not with me would that not create concern and agony for me in heaven? Interesting question of its own merit.
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No friend, no family member, no parent is more unhappy about a loved one in hell than our Lord and Redeemer, Jesus Christ himself. Yet, it is his perfect justice that demands it.
 
This is the internet and it can be hard to communicate intent with a post. It is not my intent to insult anyone with this post; that being said, it’s a bit harsh no matter how I phrase it. Sorry in advance.

I’ve seen a few threads lately, this one and the pets in Heaven coming to mind quickly, where people have the - and I do not say it lightly - nerve to question God about Heaven. “I could never be happy in Heaven unless XYZ” is a horribly arrogant attitude to take.

How dare we - and, I say we because I think we might all be guilty of this at some point in our lives - question the Creator who designed us for perfection with Him in Heaven; He then sent His son to die for us to allow us to bridge the gap between Sin and Perfection. With the amazing depth of this gift and the wondrous mercy that it shows, how can we even fathom demanding certain conditions for our future happiness. To say we’re ignorant of the conditions

God, our Father, designed us to be in a place His Son called Paradise with Him. To think we’ll be anything but rapturously complete is - in my opinion - an insult to God.

Again, I’m not trying to upset anyone or tell them they are being imputant, but this makes me very sad.
 
“In heaven we will be more perfectly united with our loved ones than we ever are here on earth. There is no marriage in heaven because it’s not necessary. It would serve no purpose.”

That was very well written and makes sense. Thank you.
 
The purpose of marriage is for the couple to help each other get to heaven.

It is a mere earthly reflection of the love of God for us. When we see God face to face, our need for each other will not be what it is now. God will fill that deepest desire of our hearts that we seek others out to fill imperfectly now.

When something is filled, there is no room for anything more.

To imply that heaven would be less for us if a relative (through their own choice) didn’t get in would be to imply that God lacks anything in and of Himself.

But the idea of the loss of a soul of someone here should bother us HERE and NOW. Don’t wait till you’re in heaven to start worrying.

Here and now is when you can pray and fast to help them. Here and now is when your behavior can bring others to God or drive them away. Here and now is where husbands and wives can make each other holy or more sinful by their mutual behavior.

Same with friends.

At any funeral we attend, we should ask ourselves if any action on our part may have led that person to any suffering in purgatory or (God forbid) any eternity separated from God. That should be the gold standard by which we deal with our families and friends and co-workers and those dependent upon our example as we live our day to day lives.

Marriage is not like the priesthood where it leaves an indelible mark for all eternity on the soul. At the ordination, a priest is told “Thou art a priest forever in the order of Melchizadek.” He carries that with him to heaven.

Married people, not so much.
 
I truly feel that the love in Heaven is so unfathomly profound, that we will love each other in the manner that God loves us! Everyone in heaven will be our spouse (not in a romantic sense). If there are a zillion people in heaven, I will love them as much as I love Anna, but as God does! I think that’s cool! All of us married - to God!

As for the family member going to hell, I look at it this way. Those of us that make it into heaven will be so united with God, that He will give us the understanding as to why our relative/friend is in hell. We will understand, and be able to see their sins where God’s justice came into play. Furthermore, I don’t think God sends us there at all! People CHOOSE to go there. They would rather choose eternal separation from God AND those that loved them on earth! They refuse God’s ocean of mercy. A simple, contrite prayer before their death would be all that’s needed for their salvation.
 
What can I say if there is a heaven and I get there I want my Family and friends there or I won’t be happy. If someone I know is in Hell I won’t be has Happy as I should be. So your saying that I can’t have Sex with my Wife in heaven, I won’t be happy about that either. Sorry thats how I feel.:eek:
 
Paul_otterson said:
What can I say if there is a heaven and I get there I want my Family and friends there or I won’t be happy. If someone I know is in Hell I won’t be has Happy as I should be. So your saying that I can’t have Sex with my Wife in heaven, I won’t be happy about that either. Sorry thats how I feel.:eek:
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Paul Otterson, When you are in heaven, do you think for one moment that you would be disappointed that you cannot have sex with your wife?! Sex is totally unnecessary! God will give us what I like to call, “soulgasms”. Heaven is so spectacular that we, as mere mortals and creatures, are incapable to fathom it’s awesomeness!
 
Paul_otterson said:
What can I say if there is a heaven and I get there I want my Family and friends there or I won’t be happy. If someone I know is in Hell I won’t be has Happy as I should be. So your saying that I can’t have Sex with my Wife in heaven, I won’t be happy about that either. Sorry thats how I feel.:eek:
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Paul,
There is a Heaven, and we will be there to meet Jesus. I encourage you to get the book “A Travel Guide to Heaven”. The author’s name escapes me right now. It is a wonderful, witty book that will answer some of the questions and fears you have. I believe you can get the book through the Catholic Answers book shop.
I lost my husband 2 1/2 years ago and look forward to meeting him again in heaven, along with all of my relatives and friends. But being with Jesus will be the icing on the cake.:)🙂
 
I think the problems we as human beings have is that we are limited to our own experiences. This life, and or own emotions, thoughts, feelings, etc. is all we can refer to. We can perhaps, imagine what heaven will be like, but in reality, what we imagine also has to fall within our frame of reference. We simply cannot step outside those boundaries. We can’t imagine the unimaginable.

So when we speculate on heaven, we necessarily speculate on our own terms. But God is beyond that. He has told us in Scripture that His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, and any attempt on our part to try to comprehend the Almighty and His ways is ultimately doomed to fail, because we do not have the capacity to do that.

So, to me, it is more comforting to think that God, in His infinite wisdom and power has provided a way for us to be ultimately content and satisfied in His presence alone, in our final union with Him, so that whatever sadness or grief that we might imagine ourselves to have at the thought of loved ones who do not attain glory if we ourselves attain it, will be taken care of by God Himself, in His own incomprehensible way.
 
Like the famous song, we can only imagine what it’ll be like in heaven, if any of us get there!

I cannot fathom that I will not be able to see loved ones-pets, family members-all of them in some form.
 
jazzbass981 you can have the soulgasms give me Sex sorry:thumbsup:👍
 
Paul_otterson said:
What can I say if there is a heaven and I get there I want my Family and friends there or I won’t be happy. If someone I know is in Hell I won’t be has Happy as I should be. So your saying that I can’t have Sex with my Wife in heaven, I won’t be happy about that either. Sorry thats how I feel.:eek:
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Much like how you wanted to live in a toy store when you were 6 and how that will not meet your needs now, once you get into heaven, you will look back on this life in the same manner with no doubts and no loss.
 
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