Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on unwilling sixteen-year-old (CNA)

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Wichita, Jul 18, 2008 / 05:55 pm (CNA).- A sixteen-year-old Kansas girl was allegedly forced by her mother to undergo an abortion on Wednesday at an abortion clinic run by the notorious late-term abortionist George Tiller. Reportedly both the teenage girl and the baby?s father, who was also sixteen, objected to the abortion. The young father arrived at the clinic too late to stop the abortion, a pro-life group says.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/339416423

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“It is not an uncommon scenario, and most young girls simply do not know their rights in this regard,” KCFL said.

What are the rights of minors? Does it vary from state to state? How is it the abortion clinic isn’t shut down for violation of a minor? The very same people who spout “women’s right to choose” SHOULD BE PROTECTING THE RIGHT OF THIS GIRL to save her baby! And again, what about the right of the father of the baby? (even if he is also a minor, he is the father).

I believe this is a heinous example of how the pro-abortion industry is not at all about womens rights, but solely about their own pro-abortion agenda and the money they make from it.
 
“It is not an uncommon scenario, and most young girls simply do not know their rights in this regard,” KCFL said.

What are the rights of minors? Does it vary from state to state? How is it the abortion clinic isn’t shut down for violation of a minor? The very same people who spout “women’s right to choose” SHOULD BE PROTECTING THE RIGHT OF THIS GIRL to save her baby! And again, what about the right of the father of the baby? (even if he is also a minor, he is the father).

I believe this is a heinous example of how the pro-abortion industry is not at all about womens rights, but solely about their own pro-abortion agenda and the money they make from it.
Exactly – where’s her right to choose when she wants her baby?
Why did her mother do this to her?
This society is sick.
 
What a fantasic way for a mother to show her unconditional love for her daughter. Nothing says “I love you” quite like “You are going to have your baby (my grandchild?!?) killed and you have no say in the matter.” :mad:
 
Dr. Tiller’s facililty, “Women’s Health Care Services, P.A.” is located in the state of Kansas. K.S.A. 65-6701, known as the “Women’s Right-to-Know Act,” places requirements on abortion providers in Kansas and on their patients.

At least 24 hours prior to performing an abortion patients must receive information on a variety of topics including:

Gestational development of the embryo/fetus
The name of the doctor who will perform the abortion
The probable gestational age of the pregnancy
Complications of childbirth
Abortion methods and potential complications

The “Women’s Right-to-Know Act” requires the State of Kansas to publish materials and establish a 24-hour hotline for women seeking information on abortion and continuing pregnancy including parenting and adoption. The handbook, “If You Are Pregnant” is available in electronic format on Dr. Tiller’s website. **Patients are required to have this information/booklet 24 hours prior to an abortion procedure. **

Furthermore, it is unlawful in the state of Kansas for any individual to coerce a woman to undergo an abortion. Dr. Tiller’s required reading for all patients includes this information:

“Many public and private agencies exist to provide counseling and information on available services. You are strongly urged to seek their assistance to obtain guidance during your pregnancy. In addition, you are encouraged to seek information on abortion services, *alternatives to abortion, including adoption, and *resources available to postpartum mothers. The law requires that your physician or the physician’s agent provide the enclosed information.” (K.S.A. 65-6701 et. seq.)

One item on Dr. Tiller’s “Informed Consent Form”, which is made available to every patient to fill out 24 hours in advance of the procedure, is this: "You are free to withhold or withdraw your consent to the abortion at any time prior to invasion of the uterus without affecting your right to future care or treatment and without the loss of any state or federally-funded benefits to which you might otherwise be entitled."

The referenced report in the Catholic News Agency appears to me to be flawed. If the girl had actually wanted the abortion, I don’t believe the father could have stopped it, so the point that he arrived “just minutes too late . . . the [fetus] was already dead . . .” would, in that case, be moot. The article states that it was the mother who wanted the girl to have the abortion and “threatened to disown the girl if she did not have one.” The mother, then, would be in direct violation of the laws of the state of Kansas. And it seems the 24-hour waiting period was completely eliminated from the story. It seems to me that the true failure here was the girl’s inability to stand toe to toe with her overbearing mother and “just say no”, as you might have suggested she say to the boyfriend when sexual activity entered the picture.

Too many inconsistencies in this story for me. I don’t think the whole picture has been presented. I don’t believe it.

marietta
 
At least 24 hours prior to performing an abortion patients must receive information on a variety of topics including:

Gestational development of the embryo/fetus
The name of the doctor who will perform the abortion
The probable gestational age of the pregnancy
Complications of childbirth
Abortion methods and potential complications
Where is the right to know that ‘abortion patients’ are killed by ‘abortion doctors’? Where is the right to know that mothers who bring their unborn ‘abortion patients’ in to this facility will be killing them utilizing the services of a butcher?
 
mapleoak:

“Where is the right to know that ‘abortion patients’ are killed by ‘abortion doctors’? Where is the right to know that mothers who bring their unborn ‘abortion patients’ in to this facility will be killing them utilizing the services of a butcher?” you ask.

You are entitled to believe as you do. And so are the women who seek abortions.

If you truly want to know the answers to your questions, and move away from this acrimonious debate, why not contact:

WOMEN’S HEALTH CARE SERVICES, P.A.
5107 East Kellogg
Wichita, Kansas USA 67218
316-684-5108
800-882-0488 Toll Free in US
316-684-0052 Fax

marietta
 
You are entitled to believe as you do. And so are the women who seek abortions.
And the women who seek abortions are entitled to know that they will be having their unborn children killed and butchered. Any wonder that planned parenthood acted the way it did when a Truth Truck parked in its lot? They are adamantly opposed to women having access to all information on the brutal reality of abortion to make a ‘properly formed decision’.
 
mapleoak writes:

" . . . the women who seek abortions are entitled to know that they will be having their unborn children killed and butchered."

As far as the CAF eye can see, you are preaching almost exclusively to the choir.

Why not take your message into the trenches, where you might be able to make the difference you seek?

marietta
 
It seems to me that the true failure here was the girl’s inability to stand toe to toe with her overbearing mother and “just say no”, as you might have suggested she say to the boyfriend when sexual activity entered the picture.
Agreed, that is a failure.
However, accepting this as the failure also means that there are other facts already accepted. Specifically, that the mother forced this abortion upon the daughter, that the laws in this particular were ignored.

At the very least there should be a full investigation into the incident. I wonder if one will be forthcoming…:rolleyes:
 
As far as the CAF eye can see, you are preaching almost exclusively to the choir.

Why not take your message into the trenches, where you might be able to make the difference you seek?

marietta
Your very presence here attests to the possible benefits to preaching to the choir.
In this instance, taking the message to the trenches doesn’t require one to go much further then this forum.
 
As far as the CAF eye can see, you are preaching almost exclusively to the choir.

Why not take your message into the trenches, where you might be able to make the difference you seek?

marietta
Since you are obviously not a member of the choir, the trench is right here. 😉
 
mapleoak:

Are you satisfied to reach one, maybe two or three people here at CAF when, with time, effort and ingenuity you could possibly reach thousands?

marietta
 
mapleoak:

Are you satisfied to reach one, maybe two or three people here at CAF when, with time, effort and ingenuity you could possibly reach thousands?

marietta
Not only must we do what we can to reach those thousands, we must do what we can to stop the spreading of evil to the few, who in turn affect the many. That is why a while ago in another thread I had mentioned that your presence here is a good thing. You help to bring up common abortion arguments, and we then point out the ridiculous nature of them while refuting them. It is a teaching tool of sorts.
 
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