Tim Pawlenty: I Would Sign Ban on Planned Parenthood Funding

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Good for him.

Of all the GOP candidates running, Pawlenty seems to me to have the best chance of actually accomplishing anything worthwhile if he is elected. Minnesota is a fairly left leaning state and he managed to get quite a bit of good done during his time in office.

Unfortunately, I think he will have a hard time getting the GOP nomination.
 
Are you supporters of banning Planned Parenthood funding aware that abortions only account for 3% of their services?
 
MC_taters said:
Are you supporters of banning Planned Parenthood funding aware that abortions only account for 3% of their services?
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Yes. I’m not sure why that matters though. It’s a bit of a straw man argument. They could accept only private funding, or quit doing abortions. If you’re truly pro-abortion, wouldn’t some other organization eventually continue to do them privately? About half of the population of this country thinks that abortion is morally unacceptable, and for most of them, essentially murder. As it is such an incredibly objectionable practice for so many, why should they have to fund it?

In several states, Catholic adoption agencies had to accept a judgement that was against their belief system, despite the fact that they provide OVERWHELMINGLY positive services on a large scale. In each case, the diocese complied by simply closing the charities. Though the motivations are different, the cases are somewhat legally similar.
 
MC_taters said:
Are you supporters of banning Planned Parenthood funding aware that abortions only account for 3% of their services?
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According to Abby Johnson who was a clinic director for Planned Parenthood and worked for them for 8 years that number is skewed in the extreme.
“Planned Parenthood’s claim that abortions make up just 3 percent of its services is also a gimmick. That number is actually closer to 12 percent, but strategically skewed by unbundling family planning services so that each patient shows anywhere from five to 20 “visits” per appointment (i.e., 12 packs of birth control equals 12 visits) and doing the opposite with abortion visits, bundling them together so that each appointment equals one visit. The resulting difference between family planning and abortion “visits” is striking.”
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Furthermore, even if the number 3% was accurate which I do not believe it is, a hugely disproportionate amount of the money spent by Planned Parenthood is spent for abortion services. They rate handing out condoms as a ‘service’ and give it equal weight on their reporting as 1 abortion. Obviously, an abortion costs much much more than handing out a few condoms or birth control pills. The fact that this costs more leads to abortion actually being about 40% of their operating budget rather than the 3% they would have you believe.

Furthermore, per Planned Parenthood’s own numbers, 12% of women are getting abortions (1 out of every 8 women who walk through the door). www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

The numbers are wrong and they are a gross misrepresentation of what they are actually doing. It is intentional and designed to make people think they are doing something else then what they actually are.

An example of this can be seen by looking deeper at the actual numbers. Many of the “services” planned parenthood claims to provide are to non-pregnant women or couples. However, because of that it skews their numbers in a direction which makes them look better publicly. The reality is that 97% of pregnant females that go to planned parenthood, are sold abortions. Ninety-seven percent! That is from their own numbers. They do their best to hide that by double dipping their count, providing services to non-pregnant women, etc. but the reality is that when a pregnant woman walks through their door, abortion is their number one option and 97 times out of 100, that is what ends up happening.

Furthermore, their ratio of abortion to adoption services is 340 to 1. That’s right, 340 abortions for every 1 adoption they provide. Again, this is from their own numbers.

The 3% thing is a myth, pure and simple and it is one that is generated for a situation exactly like this. To get people throwing it out there when this argument comes up to help make them look better.
 
juliee said:
Tim Pawlenty: I Would Sign Ban on Planned Parenthood Funding

In a radio interview today, Governor Tim Pawlenty weighed in on one of the top priorities for the pro-life community by saying he would, if elected president, sign a ban on taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood.

lifenews.com/2011/06/07/tim-pawlenty-i-would-sign-ban-on-planned-parenthood-funding/
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Hmmm, this seems like simple pandering.
Planned parenthood doesn’t get tax funding for abortions already, and cutting their funding to other things is just cutting healthcare for women. Not sure what good this will do.

Overall, I don’t really care either way what happens to planned parenthood, but we pro-lifers don’t need to start a war on women.
 
jwinch2 said:
According to Abby Johnson who was a clinic director for Planned Parenthood and worked for them for 8 years that number is skewed in the extreme.

Furthermore, even if the number 3% was accurate which I do not believe it is, a hugely disproportionate amount of the money spent by Planned Parenthood is spent for abortion services. They rate handing out condoms as a ‘service’ and give it equal weight on their reporting as 1 abortion. Obviously, an abortion costs much much more than handing out a few condoms or birth control pills. The fact that this costs more leads to abortion actually being about 40% of their operating budget rather than the 3% they would have you believe.

Furthermore, per Planned Parenthood’s own numbers, 12% of women are getting abortions (1 out of every 8 women who walk through the door). www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

The numbers are wrong and they are a gross misrepresentation of what they are actually doing. It is intentional and designed to make people think they are doing something else then what they actually are.

An example of this can be seen by looking deeper at the actual numbers. Many of the “services” planned parenthood claims to provide are to non-pregnant women or couples. However, because of that it skews their numbers in a direction which makes them look better publicly. The reality is that 97% of pregnant females that go to planned parenthood, are sold abortions. Ninety-seven percent! That is from their own numbers. They do their best to hide that by double dipping their count, providing services to non-pregnant women, etc. but the reality is that when a pregnant woman walks through their door, abortion is their number one option and 97 times out of 100, that is what ends up happening.

Furthermore, their ratio of abortion to adoption services is 340 to 1. That’s right, 340 abortions for every 1 adoption they provide. Again, this is from their own numbers.

The 3% thing is a myth, pure and simple and it is one that is generated for a situation exactly like this. To get people throwing it out there when this argument comes up to help make them look better.
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I wish Planned Parenthood would either stop providing abortions, or stop their healthcare providing. I support funding for healthcare, I don’t support funding for abortions, thus it would be much easier if there was a separation.

From my experiences of having him as my Governor, T-Paw seemed to dislike poor people, so I guess he wouldn’t care about the health care portion of PP anyways.
 
MillTownCath said:
Hmmm, this seems like simple pandering.
Planned parenthood doesn’t get tax funding for abortions already, and cutting their funding to other things is just cutting healthcare for women. Not sure what good this will do.

Overall, I don’t really care either way what happens to planned parenthood, but we pro-lifers don’t need to start a war on women.
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They get approx. $370,000,000 per year from tax revenue and they performed approx. 325,000 abortions last year.
 
jwinch2 said:
They get approx. $370,000,000 per year from tax revenue and they performed approx. 325,000 abortions last year.
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I understand that they get tax funding, but it is not allowed to be spent on abortions.
 
Planned Parenthood started facilitating the sexual revolution a long time ago by providing birth control to minors and unmarried persons. More contraceptives meant more sexual activity. More sexual activity meant more pregnancies, because yes, birth control fails. And more pregnancies meant more abortions, which are a profit-maker for PP.

Of course, when they first started, they didn’t know about HIV, so they were giving out the pill to girls, who then didn’t worry about condoms. That meant more STD’s. As far as I’m concerned, PP made the country worse. And now they are the foremost abortion provider in the country. They don’t need tax money.
 
MillTownCath said:
I understand that they get tax funding, but it is not allowed to be spent on abortions.
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It doesn’t matter in the slightest. It is part of their operating budget and frees up money which would otherwise have to be taken from somewhere else in that same budget. Saying that specific money is not used for abortion is a scam to shut off dissent.
 
I heard somewhere that PP was started in black ghettos of America in an aim of eradicating African Americans. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?
 
jwinch2 said:
It doesn’t matter in the slightest. It is part of their operating budget and frees up money which would otherwise have to be taken from somewhere else in that same budget. Saying that specific money is not used for abortion is a scam to shut off dissent.
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Is there any proof to back this up? I’ve heard this argument and it makes sense, I just want to know if there is any statistics to back it up? Perhaps that are certain limits that bar transfer of funding?

It’s a good theory, but for now it’s only that.
 
MillTownCath said:
I heard somewhere that PP was started in black ghettos of America in an aim of eradicating African Americans. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?
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It sounds like mud slinging or urban myth to me but I honestly don’t know. I can’t imagine that would be the case. I believe that the majority of people in PP honestly believe they are doing good in the world, they are just misguided. Before I found the Faith, I was a pro-choice believer and would have argued strongly for that position. I was simply ignorant of objective reality and truth.

Evil is do devious and diabolical that it is hard to fathom sometimes that it can take people who honestly wish to do good and still work atrocity through them.

Saint Michael the Archangel, Defend us in Battle!
 
MillTownCath said:
I heard somewhere that PP was started in black ghettos of America in an aim of eradicating African Americans. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?
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Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a rather ardent eugenicist and racist who advocated purging society of “undesirables”, namely nonwhites. She specifically termed them “dysgenic stock”.

Knowing this disturbing fact, I would not in the least be surprised if PP was started in such a fashion. I know that it was originally the Birth Control League, which later became Planned Parenthood, but I unfortunately don’t know the specifics of its origin.

If you want to learn a little more about Sanger and eugenics in general, I would recommend Edwin Black’s book War Against the Weak: it details the eugenics movement and the primary persons involved in it. A shocking expose of America’s eugenics involvement, to say the least.

Enlightening links about Sanger and eugenics:
spectacle.org/997/richmond.html
crossroad.to/articles2/009/cuddy/eugenics.htm
 
jwinch2 said:
It sounds like mud slinging or urban myth to me but I honestly don’t know. I can’t imagine that would be the case. I believe that the majority of people in PP honestly believe they are doing good in the world, they are just misguided. Before I found the Faith, I was a pro-choice believer and would have argued strongly for that position. I was simply ignorant of objective reality and truth.

Evil is do devious and diabolical that it is hard to fathom sometimes that it can take people who honestly wish to do good and still work atrocity through them.

Saint Michael the Archangel, Defend us in Battle!
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You genuinely changed your view on abortion? Wow, I didn’t know that was possible.

I’ve never seen anyone, pro-life or pro-choice, change their position on it. Cool! :extrahappy:
 
MillTownCath said:
You genuinely changed your view on abortion? Wow, I didn’t know that was possible.

I’ve never seen anyone, pro-life or pro-choice, change their position on it. Cool! :extrahappy:
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Yes I did. I wasn’t out helping people have them or anything but I was certainly not opposed to it at one time of my life. I have changed my position completely.
 
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