Tim Tebow's dad wants to convert Catholics in the Philippines?

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CopticChristian said:
Abide,

It was my understanding that you were seeking what you don’t understand about Catholicism from someplace. I visited this site. In my opinion this is not the place to start to learn about Catholic Christianity. Contemplatives, Mystics and the like are part of the Church. St. John of The Cross and others are part of the Church. I have investigated and looked into this realm. It is not a starting point.

The Catholic/Christian Church is the home for many different expressions of Faith. Within the Church there are celibate or eunochs for the kingdom, laity, evangelists, apologists, missionaries and a variety of different types of people expressing their Faith. I suppose you could learn some things from those that express their faith and I would not doubt you would.

You say you do not understand Catholic/Christianity…this is Catholic Answers…in my opinion it would be my suggestion to voice what you do not understand here.🙂
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Thanks for the invitation, CopticChristian. I probably will post some questions here at some point when I have more time.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
That doesn’t make them very good missionaries then. They’re scared of the actual evils posed by anti-religious secularization so they go after Catholics because we’re ‘easy game’.

Sounds like the missionaries of old are rolling in their graves.

Should we even call Mr. Tebow a missionary at this point? Coward seems more appropriate. Given the statistics, they don’t even have a large audience to target when it comes to the excessively secularized crowd. In other words, they’re scared of the smaller population of middle-class individuals whilst boldly declaring charge towards the larger population of Catholic yet poverty-stricken. Oh yes, that sounds like a very brave messenger of God all right. :rolleyes:
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The scary part here is they see atheists and Catholics in the same light. We’re both “not saved” from their point of view. Now, who do they go after? Of course those who are still interested in religion, its half the work, twice the success.

My cousin belongs to an Evangelical church here in Canada and their parish sends “missionaries” to the Philippines all the time.
 
ConstantineTG said:
The scary part here is they see atheists and Catholics in the same light. We’re both “not saved” from their point of view. Now, who do they go after? Of course those who are still interested in religion, its half the work, twice the success.

My cousin belongs to an Evangelical church here in Canada and their parish sends “missionaries” to the Philippines all the time.
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So are we in agreement? We can now call them both cowards and at the same time, evangelical sloths.

It’s like I said really. They’re afraid of a headlong battle (unlike the Catholics still fighting for what’s right in this country) with the secularists so they make easy-game out of us.

Fools. Sad, sad fools. :dts:
 
ConstantineTG said:
Which post was it? Sorry.
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No problem, Constantine. Several posts ago I said something to a couple of people that didn’t really have much to do with this thread, but rather was a reply to a question from a few days back. You quoted my response to those two people.
 
Filii_Dei said:
First you admit that Philippines is mostly Catholic (in fact, 80% Catholic), then you defend Bob Tebow for saying that most Filipinos “have never once heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ” by claiming that he was talking about the people in the “outlying islands” (there is no such thing as an “outlying island” in a country that has experienced three centuries of Spanish missionary activity). That a population can have two mutually exclusive majorities is truly a feat of arithmetic that I would very much like to learn how to calculate. :eek:

Given this, it’s not unreasonable to believe that Bob Tebow is insinuating something about Catholics, unless he has truly failed his arithmetic, in which case I’m sure the people he’s ministering to would be more than happy to teach him. 😃

Much as I believe that this topic could be possibly targeted more at Tim Tebow himself than his father, there’s no need to be so defensive of Bob Tebow when he insists on a misguided and offensive attitude towards Catholics. Tim Tebow should not have to share in his father’s sins unless he actually believes in them himself, and this topic is not about Tim Tebow.

I think I may be missing something out here about Tim Tebow himself since I do not follow American football, but it does seem clear that his father has some very questionable beliefs. The vibrancy of the Church in the Philippines is something you must experience for yourself, and only then will you understand the deep offense that Bob Tebow’s deeply incorrect and mindless statement causes to our Filipino brethren. 🙂
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Peter Kreeft remarks that “Many Catholics do not know the gospel.” He is speaking of the gospel that saves us - 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is an ambassador - 2 Cor. 5:16-21. Tim Tebow is a wonderful ambassador for his Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
QuickCat said:
Peter Kreeft remarks that “Many Catholics do not know the gospel.” He is speaking of the gospel that saves us - 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is an ambassador - 2 Cor. 5:16-21. Tim Tebow is a wonderful ambassador for his Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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No.
That is the evangelical/fundamentalist Gospel of experiential, once saved always saved, past tense ‘gospel’.
A ‘gospel’ unknown to Christianity for 2000 years
 
QuickCat said:
Peter Kreeft remarks that “Many Catholics do not know the gospel.” He is speaking of the gospel that saves us - 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is an ambassador - 2 Cor. 5:16-21. Tim Tebow is a wonderful ambassador for his Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Great way to insert a reference to Tim Tebow. He is not relevant to this discussion. This is not a Tim Tebow fan/hater thread. We’re talking about his father, Bob Tebow.

Also, your attempt to rationalise Bob Tebow’s beliefs does not hold water in light of the evidence that Bob Tebow actively converts Catholics to his movement, insinuating that no Catholic has ever heard of the Gospel. I don’t recall any ‘other’ Gospel apart from the word of God that you and I know to be enshrined in the Bible.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
So are we in agreement? We can now call them both cowards and at the same time, evangelical sloths.

It’s like I said really. They’re afraid of a headlong battle (unlike the Catholics still fighting for what’s right in this country) with the secularists so they make easy-game out of us.

Fools. Sad, sad fools. :dts:
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Well, to be fair to them, you can say in the same light that we Catholics are more bold in telling our Protestant brethren they are wrong, than telling our Muslim brethren.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Well, to be fair to them, you can say in the same light that we Catholics are more bold in telling our Protestant brethren they are wrong, than telling our Muslim brethren.
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Yes.

Gather a group of Catholics together on a forum such as this, and it seems they suddenly become very bold in telling Protestants how wrong they are.

And, Lost Wanderer, didn’t you say you’ve seen a guy street preaching? Whatever you or I may think of the rightness of street preaching, you can’t call it cowardly.
 
JustaServant said:
No.
That is the evangelical/fundamentalist Gospel of experiential, once saved always saved, past tense ‘gospel’.
A ‘gospel’ unknown to Christianity for 2000 years
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JustaServant----

Why would Peter Kreeft be talking of a fundamentalist idea of the gospel?
 
QuickCat said:
Peter Kreeft remarks that “Many Catholics do not know the gospel.” He is speaking of the gospel that saves us - 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is an ambassador - 2 Cor. 5:16-21. Tim Tebow is a wonderful ambassador for his Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Mr. Kreeft, like Mr. Tebow, are desperately trying to make the world believe that THEIR interpretation is THE interpretation. That’s all.
 
AbideWithMe said:
Yes.

Gather a group of Catholics together on a forum such as this, and it seems they suddenly become very bold in telling Protestants how wrong they are.
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Huh? No mention of protestants on here telling Catholics that they are the ones who are wrong?

A bit of a chip on your shoulder, perhaps?
 
Little_Mary said:
Mr. Kreeft, like Mr. Tebow, are desperately trying to make the world believe that THEIR interpretation is THE interpretation. That’s all.
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How would the interpretation of a such a well-known Catholic writer, Peter Kreeft, differ from the Catholic interpretation of the gospel?
 
Little_Mary said:
Mr. Kreeft, like Mr. Tebow, are desperately trying to make the world believe that THEIR interpretation is THE interpretation. That’s all.
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Peter Kreeft is a Catholic apologist. However, what Mr Kreeft means by ‘not hearing the Gospel’ is entirely different from what Bob Tebow means. The former refers to poor catechesis. The latter insinuates that Catholics are not Christians. QuickCat is using Peter Kreeft’s words to excuse Bob Tebow’s, and I believe that may be where you were confused. 🙂
 
Filii_Dei said:
Peter Kreeft is a Catholic apologist. However, what Mr Kreeft means by ‘not hearing the Gospel’ is entirely different from what Bob Tebow means. The former refers to poor catechesis. The latter insinuates that Catholics are not Christians. QuickCat is using Peter Kreeft’s words to excuse Bob Tebow’s, and I believe that may be where you were confused. 🙂
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Oops.😊 Sorry. I just googled him quickly and it said “christian apologist”…sorry.

😊😊

I see now that QuickCat’s post is just another example of someone taking words out of context…and I fell right for it.

Oh brother.:rolleyes:😊
 
AbideWithMe said:
Yes.

Gather a group of Catholics together on a forum such as this, and it seems they suddenly become very bold in telling Protestants how wrong they are.

And, Lost Wanderer, didn’t you say you’ve seen a guy street preaching? Whatever you or I may think of the rightness of street preaching, you can’t call it cowardly.
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Catholics are not claiming other Christians have never ‘heard the Gospel’.
As for ‘street preachers’ all they accomplish is looking foolish.
 
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