Tim Tebow's dad wants to convert Catholics in the Philippines?

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Your cynicism may very well be founded on good reason. But, yes, the man needs to speak for himself.

I have to get back to work myself, but later I’ll repost the link to the 1994 document “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” that rather bravely tries to talk about how Protestants and Catholics both tend to disrespect each other’s communities.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Well, to be fair to them, you can say in the same light that we Catholics are more bold in telling our Protestant brethren they are wrong, than telling our Muslim brethren.
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Don’t you think that’s due to Muslims never bothering Catholics/Christians because they bear the stigmatization of those who tried to ‘convert’ us?
 
AbideWithMe said:
Yes.

Gather a group of Catholics together on a forum such as this, and it seems they suddenly become very bold in telling Protestants how wrong they are.
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Way to paint with a broad brush.

I react this way all the time to anyone who has an unhealthy attachment to their religious soapbox. Foreign missionaries included.

Luckily for you, the Philippines doesn’t have a lot of people like that outside of podiums and other places appropriate for a speech.
AbideWithMe said:
And, Lost Wanderer, didn’t you say you’ve seen a guy street preaching? Whatever you or I may think of the rightness of street preaching, you can’t call it cowardly.
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When it’s preaching to the greater population of people who are easily swayed by theatrics (coughselection-campaignscoughs), instead of risking the ire of the secular (and wealthier, and more influential, and more powerful) middle and upper classes… yes that is indeed cowardly.

If not cowardly, then at least it’s still very, very stupid.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Way to paint with a broad brush.

I react this way all the time to anyone who has an unhealthy attachment to their religious soapbox. Foreign missionaries included.

Luckily for you, the Philippines doesn’t have a lot of people like that outside of podiums and other places appropriate for a speech.

When it’s preaching to the greater population of people who are easily swayed by theatrics (coughselection-campaignscoughs), instead of risking the ire of the secular (and wealthier, and more influential, and more powerful) middle and upper classes… yes that is indeed cowardly.

If not cowardly, then at least it’s still very, very stupid.
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Lost Wanderer—

I could have said things better in regards to what you see as me painting with a broad brush, and I’m sorry for not thinking of a better way to express myself.

What I had in mind is something I’ve seen here more than a few times----Catholics jumping on someone. Last week a Catholic referred to an incident of this here as “piranhas on one person”. A Protestant, a possible RCIA candidate, was asking questions, and being asked questions in return. The Catholic answerers seemed unhappy with the poster’s responses, and they got into him/her in a way that was uncalled-for. More Catholics posters gathered around, took a bite of the Protestant inquirer, and didn’t lay off until another Catholic poster made the piranha comment.

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I assumed some secular Philipinos would have heard the street preacher at the market. You would know better than I would, so my apologies.

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AbideWithMe said:
I assumed some secular Philipinos would have heard the street preacher at the market. You would know better than I would, so my apologies.
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They’d probably just mentally sigh and shake their heads, then start blogging at home to either lump Catholics together with such nuts or just simply call for a faster secularization of the country (the same secularization that’s been heckling the U.S. since the 60s).

To be honest though, I actually would embrace just a tiny bit of that secular stuff (in terms of arts and literature). However, if you’re going to preach, then at least make the preaching relevant to the modern issues of this nation and not divide us based on a division that happened 500 years ago in Germany.

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Lost Wanderer—

I could have said things better in regards to what you see as me painting with a broad brush, and I’m sorry for not thinking of a better way to express myself.
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If it helps, note that I rarely venture in this part of the forum. Use that the next time to distinguish ‘piranhas’ from someone who’s just tossing his two cents because the subject just happened to involve his own country.
 
Is Tebow trying to convert the same Catholics that where forced to convert or die after Magellan landed in the Phillipines ?
 
prochrist1 said:
Is Tebow trying to convert the same Catholics that where forced to convert or die after Magellan landed in the Phillipines ?
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LOL!!! Either you’re clearly not a Filipino or you’re one of the sad ones who have forgotten their country’s history.

Magellan didn’t use force to convert Raja Humabon that’s for sure and Lapu-Lapu just simply didn’t like invaders in general. :rolleyes:
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
LOL!!! Either you’re clearly not a Filipino or you’re one of the sad ones who have forgotten their country’s history.

Magellan didn’t use force to convert Raja Humabon that’s for sure and Lapu-Lapu just simply didn’t like invaders in general. :rolleyes:
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Do you mean how the CBCP tries to run the country ? bribe officials, harass people who oppose them ?

Yet Tebow is the problem ?
 
prochrist1 said:
Do you mean how the CBCP tries to run the country ? bribe officials, harass people who oppose them ?

Yet Tebow is the problem ?
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LOL!! Politicians get more money bribing each other than getting it from bishops. The Church is not as influential in this country as you think.

Just look at our media. :rolleyes:

If the Church was truly in charge here, P-noy would have never had a single shred of a voting ballot.

But no, he got thousands, millions, and now he’s in Malacanang pushing BC bills. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I have strong suspicions that such ignorance is probably due to him mixing us up with the rest of our Asian neighbors who actually fit his bill of a non-Christian culture compared to the Philippines.

I even find it humorous that he mixes the term barangay with words like ‘villages’ as if we were some pagan tribal nation. Tsk, tsk, tsk… :dts:
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Don’t you think that’s due to Muslims never bothering Catholics/Christians because they bear the stigmatization of those who tried to ‘convert’ us?
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I think because we’re afraid of what they can potentially do. They do have that reputation.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I think because we’re afraid of what they can potentially do. They do have that reputation.
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That’s pretty much my point actually. Plenty of Muslims don’t like what their more ‘enthusiastic’ brethren have been doing to ‘convert all to Allah’. Hence, I don’t see them proselytizing much (and I live in the southern parts over here). Islamic missionary work bears that stigma.
 
AbideWithMe said:
Hmm…how about a rendition of “Yes, We Have No Bananas”? I have some really good apples, though.

Reserving judgment is not mental gymnastics, JustaServant. You are making assumptions that go beyond the actual facts in regards to your 1-2-3. Your assumptions may well be correct, because some fundamentalist Baptists do believe your 1-2-3. However, I believe a representative of the Southern Baptist Convention signed the document "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" which I posted earlier on CAF, which denies your 1-2-3.

Again, we need to hear from the organization on trial here.
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Since the SBC is a rather loose denomination, made up of independent churches, that representative was probably signing for himself.
Either way, it doesn’t look like Tebow was a signer.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
That’s pretty much my point actually. Plenty of Muslims don’t like what their more ‘enthusiastic’ brethren have been doing to ‘convert all to Allah’. Hence, I don’t see them proselytizing much (and I live in the southern parts over here). Islamic missionary work bears that stigma.
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Well, Muslims need not evangelize. At the rate Christians are contracepting themselves into non-existence, most parts of the world will be Muslim pretty soon.
 
JustaServant said:
Since the SBC is a rather loose denomination, made up of independent churches, that representative was probably signing for himself.
Either way, it doesn’t look like Tebow was a signer.
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JustaServant----

It was signed by Dr. Richard Land and Dr. Larry Lewis. Lewis was representing the Home Mission Board of the SBC. Land was with the Christian Life Commission of the SBC, if I remember rightly. I think they did qualify their participation in the signing of “Evangelicals and Catholics Together”, but I’m too sleepy to to reread their statement.

Charles Colson is Baptist, too. Colson was one of the main people behind the writing of the document. And, I’m sure you know how well respected he is by many Evangelicals.
 
AbideWithMe said:
JustaServant----

It was signed by Dr. Richard Land and Dr. Larry Lewis. Lewis was representing the Home Mission Board of the SBC. Land was with the Christian Life Commission of the SBC, if I remember rightly. I think they did qualify their participation in the signing of “Evangelicals and Catholics Together”, but I’m too sleepy to to reread their statement.

Charles Colson is Baptist, too. Colson was one of the main people behind the writing of the document. And, I’m sure you know how well respected he is by many Evangelicals.
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I’m sure it was AWM, no one is doubting you and I am glad you have that attitude toward the Catholic Church. 👍
But Baptist denominations (Southern, American) are not like other Protestant denominations. Land, Lewis and Colson might feel they represent the SBC, but that doesn’t mean they do. But even if they did, Tebow obviously doesn’t agree.
Let’s see if Tebow answers the email and chimes in to explain himself.
 
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