Time - for an IQ Test

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

And Your thought that I am attempting or have need to prove anything concerning the Church and/or God is Your thought, not mine.

Have you anything to say concerning the actual OP subject and question? Or are you here just to belligerently harass?

OP has been shown to be illogical and in error all through out this thread.

It OP presupposes that what you say is the Truth which you have yet to show as the Truth.

You go so far as to say, “The philosophers are in error, not the Scriptures.”

Yet when shown that the Scriptures, as interpreted by the Church, do not disagree with the philosophers, you are silent and then change the rules of the discussion asking for dogmatic pronouncements. When given those you again change the rules and disagree.

You have in no way shown that you are an authority in this nor in any way have you shown that you have “superior intelligence” (as you claim) to make the statements you do with the authority that you seem to think you have in this matter.

No harassment going on, just pointing out the illogical and incorrect thought that is occuring.

 

[James_S_Saint]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

If you would like, I can quote the numerous posts that show belligerent harassment…but a quick read of the thread would show this.

Don’t focus on the mirror so much when assessing reality and you won’t see yourself in it so much. And as Byz points out, thinking is not what Catholicism seems to be about, but rather merely accepting what you are told and hating anyone who tries to discuss anything you *THINK *might be different.

Did the CC tell you to come here and harass that guy named “James S Saint”? Why do it if you haven’t been commanded to?

 

[davidv]

Don’t focus on the mirror so much when assessing reality and you won’t see yourself in it so much. And as Byz points out, thinking is not what Catholicism seems to be about, but rather merely accepting what you are told and hating anyone who tries to discuss anything you *THINK *might be different.

Did the CC tell you to come here and harass that guy named “James S Saint”? Why do it if you haven’t been commanded to?

Posts like this suggest to me that you cannot defend against the objections raised against the OP.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Don’t focus on the mirror so much when assessing reality and you won’t see yourself in it so much. And as Byz points out, thinking is not what Catholicism seems to be about, but rather merely accepting what you are told and hating anyone who tries to discuss anything you *THINK *might be different.

Did the CC tell you to come here and harass that guy named “James S Saint”? Why do it if you haven’t been commanded to?

Again, you make the false assumption that those who believe as the Church Teaches do so because they can not think themselves.

I have discerned that what the Church Teaches is the Truth and you have failed to prove that it is not. All you can do is cry that we do not know how to think for ourselves.

So I guess your arguement would be that if we believed as you do then again we would be unable to think for ourselves becuase we believe you. It is an old and tired arguement that does not work and as davidv points out it gives you a way out of actual discussion.

 

[James_S_Saint]

Posts like this suggest to me that you cannot defend against the objections raised against the OP.

Well when any are made, I certainly do. But it seems that most prefer to ignore the OP so as to obfuscate over semantics or misconstrued thoughts and teachings. Until this thread, I had no certain objections to Catholicism. But if this is what it produces, I can hardly ignore the fruit of the tree in assessing the tree.

 

[vz71]

Until this thread, I had no certain objections to Catholicism. But if this is what it produces, I can hardly ignore the fruit of the tree in assessing the tree.

However, cause and effect always existing at the same time (as you have postulated a number of times) would mean that you have always had objections to Catholicism.

The phrase “Until this thread” would be wrong here since the fruit of the tree was in existence long before the thread.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Until this thread, I had no certain objections to Catholicism. But if this is what it produces, I can hardly ignore the fruit of the tree in assessing the tree.

Again you are in error. You are making an assumption that because we believe what the Church Teaches we are only doing so only because the Church Teaches it. This is an error. I believe what the Church Teaches because I believe it is the Truth, not becuase it teaches it.

 

[James_S_Saint]

If the CC cannot, for whatever reason, be seen as more good than bad, it WILL be removed, despite what anyone has said to the contrary. The Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and all religions and governments have had their time to show their worth. Now the time is much shorter than you seem to think. The good is all that shall remain. But you go ahead and believe what you think you were told to believe and do what you think you have been told to do. If you have nothing more to say concerning the OP, I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[vz71]

If the CC cannot, for whatever reason, be seen as more good than bad, it WILL be removed, despite what anyone has said to the contrary.

Sentiment was about the same 2000 years ago.
Yet God’s church remains, and the empires that were in opposition are gone.

Now the time is much shorter than you seem to think.

For someone that wants to believe they are well rooted in logic and critical thinking skills, this statement seems oddly out of place. I expect this from the various pentocostal protestant churches that continually predict the second coming as well as the rapture and the ultimate demise of the Catholic church…but I did not expect this prediction from here.

The good is all that shall remain. But you go ahead and believe what you think you were told to believe

An error. I believe you have been told several times that the belief is not hinged upon being told anything.

and do what you think you have been told to do.

Another error. Several times in this thread it has been stated otherwise.
Belief and faith and action are not based upon someone or something telling us to believe, but because we perceive there to be truth in it.

If you have nothing more to say concerning the OP, I have nothing more to say to you.

Why stop here? The OP was answered for many posts ago, since that time we have been addressing the falsity found in your statements.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

If the CC cannot, for whatever reason, be seen as more good than bad, it WILL be removed, despite what anyone has said to the contrary. The Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and all religions and governments have had their time to show their worth. Now the time is much shorter than you seem to think. The good is all that shall remain. But you go ahead and believe what you think you were told to believe and do what you think you have been told to do. If you have nothing more to say concerning the OP, I have nothing more to say to you.

The truth comes out now. This thread is not about Time, or intelligence, or IQ, its all a veiled, poorly veiled, attack on the Catholic Church and Catholics.

Why stop here? The OP was answered for many posts ago, since that time we have been addressing the falsity found in your statements.

You sum it all up here.

There really is no more need to refute this person as he believes as he has been told to believe and thinks as he has been told to think by his anti-catholic group. I am sure of it now.

He plays at a game to try and trap but all it does is show how in error he is.

His game goes against him so he wishes to change the rules of it one more time.

It is best to stop but as long as he continues we must also as the Truth is the Truth and his falsity and errors need to be pointed out.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Well I guess now that the truth is out he does not wish to continue with his “discussion”.

 

[roselily]

Time is in God’s hands.

God created universe.

No matter about some times you say: time is too late, time never can be too late, time is always continue-So if we pure in spirit, heart and soul , God will put us in a best place in time period.

And eternal Paradise is in God hands.:angel1:

 

[James_S_Saint]

Time is in God’s hands.

God created universe.

No matter about some times you say: time is too late, time never can be too late, time is always continue-So if we pure in spirit, heart and soul , God will put us in a best place in time period.

And eternal Paradise is in God hands.:angel1:

But can you find a flaw in the lines proposed in the OP?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

But can you find a flaw in the lines proposed in the OP?

Just read through the thread.

There are many flaws pointed out, you just chose not to accept them. (and that is another flaw)

 

[James_S_Saint]

I believe the only people even mentioning the lines inquired by the OP were NowAgnostic and Prometheus1974.

NowAgnostic agreed to the proposition based on simple logic. Further discussion could have been engaged, but apparently he had no interest.

**Prometheus **disagreed with the proposition on the basis of technical word use which turns out to be irrelevant to the logic although is good to be noted. He hasn’t returned to continue the analysis.

Everyone else jumps right into arguing against the conclusion in an effort to support their presumptions, usually thinking that they are defending their faith and/or Church. This constitutes an immediate failure of the test as it ignores the actual question being asked, violates forum protocol, and reveals pathos over logos priority in the mind of the responder.

There is a fine line between faith and presumption and an even more transparent line between what a Scripture or Church has actually intended to say and what followers presume they meant. To defend a non-truth is usually not a good way to defend one’s faith OR Church. A better defense is to carefully seek out the possible real error, especially the possibility of misunderstanding what a Scripture or Church actually meant versus what has been presumed they meant. The sooner any real error can be cleared up in a real way, the more stable the faith becomes as it maintains its good relationship with Truth (God).

 

[vz71]

I believe the only people even mentioning the lines inquired by the OP were NowAgnostic and Prometheus1974…
Everyone else jumps right into arguing against the conclusion in an effort to support their presumptions, usually thinking that they are defending their faith and/or Church. This constitutes an immediate failure of the test as it ignores the actual question being asked, violates forum protocol, and reveals pathos over logos priority in the mind of the responder.

That is alright because what you believe has been repeatedly shown to be in error.
Hereis just a small piece of the various quotes from people addressing the OP.

Things-I-don’t-understand for $200:
If one is outside of time then this may be true but if one is inside of time then time would appear to have a beginning.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here; can you rephrase it?
Doesn’t this presume that everything exists in the same space and therefore the same time? If you travel at the speed of light your time frame is certainly different from those of us standing (relatively) still. What is time to an object traveling at speed = C?

Ender

It does not follow that an eternal cause necessarily causes something eternal.

You left out the correct answer. Time did not exists until man invented the watch.

Did you ever make a flipbook when you were a kid? It is a set of drawings that you view in rapid succession to create a simple sort of animation. Here is an example:
youtube.com/watch?v=LRx5RDCWgq8

Imagine God has created a flipbook universe. The whole history of that universe is contained in a sequence of two or three dozen pictures. God, being eternal, views His creation eternally. Nevertheless, the flipbook universe is not an infinitely long sequence of pictures. It has a beginning and an end.

Determining whether this is a reasonable analogy for our world and our Creator is left as an exercise for the reader.

I don’t understand your initial premise as coming from any authority outside yourself, neither do my sources (kids who are physics majors and professors). #1 in your progression is contradicted by the statements that follow so I do not follow your logic, either.

By my count, that is 5 other people addressing the OP, and I have not even bothered to read through 90% of the thread.

So let’s go back a second…didn’t someone mention a failure of the first test as it ignores the question??

What can be said for one that asks a question but ignores the answers?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

That is alright because what you believe has been repeatedly shown to be in error.
Hereis just a small piece of the various quotes from people addressing the OP.

By my count, that is 5 other people addressing the OP, and I have not even bothered to read through 90% of the thread.

So let’s go back a second…didn’t someone mention a failure of the first test as it ignores the question??

What can be said for one that asks a question but ignores the answers?

Great reply but this post by the OP shows that he is not open to discussion.

If the CC cannot, for whatever reason, be seen as more good than bad, it WILL be removed, despite what anyone has said to the contrary. The Muslims, Jews, Catholics, and all religions and governments have had their time to show their worth. Now the time is much shorter than you seem to think. The good is all that shall remain. But you go ahead and believe what you think you were told to believe and do what you think you have been told to do. If you have nothing more to say concerning the OP, I have nothing more to say to you.

This shows his closed mind, that the only reason we disagree with him is because he feels that we only think what we are told to think rather than having discerned the Truth. He is blinded.

As the Scriptures say;

**Matthew 7:6
**Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

 

[sidbrown]

What can be said for one that asks a question but ignores the answers?

Obviously, this person has failed the test.

 

[roselily]

But can you find a flaw in the lines proposed in the OP?

But I already told you in my posts:

Time is in God’s hands.

God created universe.

No matter about some times you say: time is too late, time never can be too late, time is always continue-So if we pure in spirit, heart and soul , God will put us in a best place in time period.

And eternal Paradise is in God hands.

Oh, God created Universe and Time. Time is in God’s hands, Time and space only for us! We only live in time -through God-God is Almighty, exist outside of space and time. That in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, that was the beginning of time, not like in OP said time never began, and time will end also, at end time, we will change to be just like God can existed outside time and space.
:angel1: