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Time hasn’t always existed. Neither has space. Matter is never “motionless” because atoms are always moving.
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Anselm33
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and even at absolute zero, there’s still zero-point energy, therefore motion.
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JDaniel
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I don’t know about no motion at absolute zero, but, at -456° F there probably isn’t.
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lemondiesel
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Would atoms even exist at absolute zero, don’t they exist on motion and attraction?
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JDaniel
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Yes. According to Wikipedia,
Scientists have achieved temperatures very close to absolute zero, where matter exhibits quantum effects such as superconductivity and superfluidity.
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roselily
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I am thinking that even if we see the light shining from stars right now, it have originated 15 years ago. Time will always be moving.
Should I say even if achieved temperatures to absolute zero, what that to do with time? and at absolut zero subjects still exist?
It was not impossible in Heaven that time is quantized.
Yes!..
It is we pray to our Father"Thy Kingdom come !Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"
Heaven permit that time should come!
and St. Vianney said: " It is always SPRING in the soul united to GOD.
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I’ve gone through the calculation, given a frame denoted by ‘, moving at a velocity v relative to a frame with no primes, then ds’ = ds…i.e. the element of volume is invariant under a Lorentz transformation: ds^2 =dx^2 +dy^2 +dz^2 - dt^2 is invariant, so it is an element of four-space volume that would be quantized, not time itself, because it’s mixed up with the space-like variables.
And it is not correct to say that time requires motion; the arrow of time is entropy, i.e irreversibility, the passage of time occurs via the 2nd Law of thermo. And even when one is motionless, and all is motionless about one, time passes.
And at absolute zero, there is motion (uncertainty principle would require it): zero-point energy and therefore motion.
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JDaniel
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This is a great conjecture, Roselily. It is possible that Angels exist in a realm where they are partially, or, fully, aware of time. The theology says “that they are not subject to the laws of time, but have a duration measure of their own.” - The Teachings of the Catholic Church, Vol I, p 259. However, it must be remembered that, for us mortals, time is more an awareness of a passage of events, or, event, than a physical thing, or, real object.
I am thinking that even if we see the light shining from stars right now, it have originated 15 years ago. Time will always be moving.
Should I say even if achieved temperatures to absolute zero, what that to do with time? and at absolut zero subjects still exist?
It was not impossible in Heaven that time is quantized.
Yes!..
It is we pray to our Father"Thy Kingdom come !Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"
Heaven permit that time should come!
and St. Vianney said: " It is always SPRING in the soul united to GOD.
Time transpired, in the universe, prior to the foundation of life on earth because motion began to occur from the moment (Planck length) after the initial burst of the Big Bang. God is said to exist in an Eternal Now. The Now is not a part of time. It is that which is situate between the outermost surface of the past time continuum and the outermost surface of the future time continuum.
God is said to exist outside of time, in a Now. Unlike our momentary Now, God’s Now is Eternal. The notion of Infinity precludes existence in time. In order to exist in time, created things are, and must be, finite.
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JDaniel
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Which makes sense.
But, here we must disagree. Entropy is change. And, change is a form of motion, its just not local motion - like that which we generally notice of mobile beings. But, if our minds are aware of the passage of time, even if everything else is in a motionless state, our thoughts are in motion.
Theoretically: Since science has not yet achieved absolute zero, in the lab, they speculate from what they’ve seen at states close to absolute zero.
But, that does not make the 2nd Law the cause of time, or the cause of motion. It may describe a kind of motion that we had not been able to see before. It shows, once again, the concurrence of time with motion.
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roselily
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Thanks!
In the begining when God created the heavens and the earth, Six Days of Creation and the Sabbath;
Time will always be moving.
I knew, even if we see the light shining from stars right now, it have originated 16 years ago, though many may think time might be -, but that is a different matter,
Time will always be moving.
Yes. God created the heavens and the earth Seven days , not that in a moment?
So it will be ourself physical body be changed when our Lord coming, not time!
Bless God! Praise the Lord!
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lemondiesel
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For a photon, the universe is a single point.It’s own “view” is nothing like space-time exists. My question for you, can you stop the motion of a photon?
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JDaniel
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Eventually.
Also, in the case of the double slit experiment, close the slits. The photon will travel to the media, with no open slits, and be absorbed by it. Otherwise, a photon can probably travel beyond the edge of the universe. But, again, there, it will be absorbed, or otherwise halted.
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But if atoms were motionless, there would be no media to even have or not have slits in. I would probably go about that experiment by saying nuetrinos cause the atoms to stay in motion when it interacts with them as a nuetron. (or one of its 3 forms) But that is just my funny little hypothesis
The problem we are discussing is one that Einstein pondered over…at 16
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JDaniel
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But, you didn’t specify that the atoms were supposed to be motionless, up front.But if atoms were motionless, there would be no media to even have or not have slits in. I would probably go about that experiment by saying nuetrinos cause the atoms to stay in motion when it interacts with them as a nuetron. (or one of its 3 forms) But that is just my funny little hypothesis
The problem we are discussing is one that Einstein pondered over…at 16
Godbless,
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Light1111
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Atoms ought to become nearly-motionless at absolute zero, but instead they go beyond bi-location – they are present everywhere and nowhere at once. An alternate state of matter.
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Anselm33
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something interesting to chew on: according to the Lorentz transformation equations for special relativity as the speed of a “something” relative to another frame of reference approaches c, the speed of light, the time on the something approaches 0 (relative to the other frame of reference). Thus time doesn’t pass (t’=0) for a photon. Does this signify that God is light, i.e. eternal (not sure that follows, but…)?
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I was just joking with you! Laugh a little, life’s short :hug1:But, you didn’t specify that the atoms were supposed to be motionless, up front.
Here is what I am getting at, and it may sound silly but hey, is anyone ever right in these situations!? At absolute zero, I believe atoms would still exist. The atom itself may be motionless, but the interior components within could still be moving which cause the atom to physically remain. Time would be irrelevant to the motionless whole atom, but the reference frame within would still experience some ‘type of time’.
Pretty trippy stuff right? Time is irrelevant to light, it can exist here and** there **simultanously. The more mass the frame of reference has, the more time becomes relevant. Special relativity really just tells us that time does not flow at the same rate in all reference frames.
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This is the paradox of the twins? If the motion between the two are said to be relative, which one gets to be the “something”, who’s time is affected? In the paradox of the twins, it gets to be the twin who went into space at a high fraction of the speed of light. But this is apparently only true because that twin undergoes a change in motion in order to turn around and head back. Weird.
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