"time to sack trendy bishops and restore the faith "

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I would have to say my favorite quote from it would be:
“So, the fact that some degenerates who should never have been ordained violated young people – in itself a deplorable sin – means that the Son of God did not come down to earth, redeem mankind on the cross and found the Church? This appalling scandal no more compromises the truths of the Faith than the career of Alexander VI or any other corrupt Renaissance Pope”

That hits the nail on the head so to speak. When I hear about people saying they are leaving the church or that the scandal has shaken their faith I have to wonder. How do the actions of a small group of men who betrayed their faith and oath change the truth promised 2K years ago? I’ve never quite understood that. 🤷

To the point of the article however, I’m afraid I’m a bit pessimistic with regards to the odds of British society reclaiming much of her moral underpinnings any time soon. None of the major political parties seem to have much of a vested interest in actually defending the faith or family, and the society in general, as noted by the British press, seem more interested in banning talk on “offensive” topics such as the dangers of abortion or extra-martial sex than dealing with the moral decay in society (yes, my .02c).
 
From the article:

“Should bishops be forced to resign? Oh yes – approximately 95 per cent of them worldwide. These clowns in their pseudo-ethnic mitres and polyester vestments with faux-naïve Christian symbols, spouting their ecumaniac episcobabble, have presided over more than sexual abuse: they have all but extinguished the Catholic faith with their modernist fatuities. They should be retired to monasteries to spend their remaining years considering how to account to their Maker for a failed stewardship that has lost countless millions of souls.”

95% of the bishops worldwide should be forced to retire? So, all but 250 of the 5000 bishops need to step down? Exaggerate much?

I have a hard time taking such articles seriously when they speak so hyperbolically, yet with no intended irony. The forced resignation of almost all of the world’s bishops at the same time would be a nightmare. You think the Church is in turmoil now.
 
I did like this phrase:

“… pseudo-ethnic mitres and polyester vestments with faux-naïve Christian symbols, spouting their ecumaniac episcobabble …”

Faux-naive Christian symbols sounds about right. I remember being slightly disgusted with the illustrations in the New Testament we had as kids in the 70’s. You had these faceless line-drawings in it. Almost meaningless. Inhuman, in fact.

You rarely hear a sermon these days that wakes you up out of your daydream. “Community-Love-Justice-Peace…” annnnnd you’re back in a trance.
 
You rarely hear a sermon these days that wakes you up out of your daydream. “Community-Love-Justice-Peace…” annnnnd you’re back in a trance.
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You should come to the EF Mass at Immaculate Conception Fitchburg MA and hear Fr. Phillipson’s sermons. My favorite line from a sermon talking about Hell - “Wake up and smell the sulfur”.

As to the OP, I think you have to take the article with a grain of salt, obviously you would not want to get rid of 95% of the bishops. As for the point concerning British society, it is no different here in the US, remember the Prince of this world is in charge, we can do what we can to help change the moral climate but it will always be an uphill battle, as it always was even in Jesus’ time.
 
Don’t forget that there must be proper respect to be paid to all bishops.
 
fish90 said:
Don’t forget that there must be proper respect to be paid to all bishops.
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You make a very good point. As a good friend of mine put it – There are no bad priests, just priests that need more prayers. The same holds true of Bishops (as priests) as well.
 
fish90 said:
Don’t forget that there must be proper respect to be paid to all bishops.
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Not if their seminaries are empty and their parishes closing down. Especially if adjacent, more traditional dioceses are doing OK. No priests = no Mass = no church.
 
jonpd said:
You should come to the EF Mass at Immaculate Conception Fitchburg MA and hear Fr. Phillipson’s sermons. My favorite line from a sermon talking about Hell - “Wake up and smell the sulfur”.

As to the OP, I think you have to take the article with a grain of salt, obviously you would not want to get rid of 95% of the bishops. As for the point concerning British society, it is no different here in the US, remember the Prince of this world is in charge, we can do what we can to help change the moral climate but it will always be an uphill battle, as it always was even in Jesus’ time.
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This might be off-topic (I still don’t know how to ‘take apart’ quotes from previous posters)-but is your ‘Father Philipson’ have any connection to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter? I’m asking because three years ago there was a priest who had an affiliation with the Fraternity who came to Upstate New York more than once to say the EF Mass. He had been a diocesan priest, ordained in the ‘new rite’ of ordination. Just wonderin’…:o

If you don’t want to say anything here, please PM me. I’d be curious to know.
 
=KC91;6595387]That’s the title of a recent article by the Catholic former British government minister Mr Gerald Warner. It’s a bit exaggerated on some points but overall it has some ring of truth about it.
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blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100030794/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-time-to-sack-trendy-bishops-and-restore-the-faith/
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Thoughts?
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***Sadly “it don’t work like that”:o

Once a Bishop always a Bishop.

I once asked a very informed theologian priest about this; and knew they “couldn’t be fired”
but wondered why they just didn’t transfere them to someplace, some position where they can’t contribute to so many souls heading SOUTH!

The reason he gave SHOCKED ME:eek:

Rome thinks that even id ORDERED such bishops might well just ignore the Pope as they have many times indicated a willingness to do just that.

Father then reminded me that Christ remains ALWAYS in charge.***
 
Layman said:
Not if their seminaries are empty and their parishes closing down. Especially if adjacent, more traditional dioceses are doing OK. No priests = no Mass = no church.
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Please rethink this. You’re saying that if a bishop does not have large seminary enrollment or the population demographics shift, then they are a bad bishop.

Catholics must respect their bishop regardless of how they perform.
 
fish90 said:
Please rethink this. You’re saying that if a bishop does not have large seminary enrollment or the population demographics shift, then they are a bad bishop.

Catholics must respect their bishop regardless of how they perform.
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Furthermore, many of the parish closings are beyond a bishop’s control. For example, as sad as it was, many of those inner-city parishes were doomed because the populations that assisted there moved elsewhere. There isn’t much a bishop can do about population movement.
 
PJM said:
***Sadly “it don’t work like that”:o

Once a Bishop always a Bishop.

I once asked a very informed theologian priest about this; and knew they “couldn’t be fired”
but wondered why they just didn’t transfere them to someplace, some position where they can’t contribute to so many souls heading SOUTH!

The reason he gave SHOCKED ME:eek:

Rome thinks that even id ORDERED such bishops might well just ignore the Pope as they have many times indicated a willingness to do just that.

Father then reminded me that Christ remains ALWAYS in charge.***
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I agree (with this quote, not necessarily the article.). When I tried to convince a friend that priests have inserted their own personal creativity into the Mass, she gets all upset and says, now would the Bishops have allowed that? YES! I say, they do it themselves, and just look how they responded to the Moto Proprio. Mine put out a list of directives that gave him all of his old indult-day power, that line by line contradicted everything the Holy Father said!
 
fish90 said:
Please rethink this. You’re saying that if a bishop does not have large seminary enrollment or the population demographics shift, then they are a bad bishop.

Catholics must respect their bishop regardless of how they perform.
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I think I would say we must respect the “office of Bishop”, not the person who holds the office. Many Bishops don’t respect the Holy Father or his office today. If they did they would be obedient to the teachings of the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
I think I would say we must respect the “office of Bishop”, not the person who holds the office. Many Bishops don’t respect the Holy Father or his office today. If they did they would be obedient to the teachings of the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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But you ought to be speaking to, of, and about the person who holds that office with the respect that the office deserves. As my grandfather put it once, it doesn’t matter what you think of the priest, but you have to respect the collar.
 
Not all Bishops are worthy of obedience - many Popes deposed many bad Bishops over the centuries.
 
KC91 said:
Not all Bishops are worthy of obedience - many Popes deposed many bad Bishops over the centuries.
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They are because they are the successors to the apostles. We must respect them because they are the Church. Without them, there would be no Church. That said, the Pope certainly ranks:D.
 
There is a tradition in the Church that holds that once a Bishop has fallen into heresy he is no longer a Bishop. After all just look at the heretical Bishops during the Iconclast crisis, etc.
 
fish90 said:
They are because they are the successors to the apostles. We must respect them because they are the Church. Without them, there would be no Church. That said, the Pope certainly ranks:D.
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I must disagree. Quite honestly, because of their actions, there almost is NO church. What they have done over the past 40 - 50 years has hurt the church tremendously, Look at Cardinal Law. He should have been ashamed and admonished. Instead he is rewarded and promoted. Deplorable! Until Rome puts an end to these types of shenanigans, this nonsense will continue unabated. These “bishops” are leading many people down the road to eternal damnation. Why should they be revered and respected? Yes, there are some good ones out there. We should keep these and use them as the foundation to build anew.
 
KC91 said:
There is a tradition in the Church that holds that once a Bishop has fallen into heresy he is no longer a Bishop. After all just look at the heretical Bishops during the Iconclast crisis, etc.
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Do you have any documentation of this tradition?

In any case, it’s certainly not our call to make as to whether or not a bishop is a heretic.
 
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